April 30, 2025

EP 43: Major Misconceptions Surrounding Steep and Shallow, Speed, and Grip Pressure

EP 43: Major Misconceptions Surrounding Steep and Shallow, Speed, and Grip Pressure
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🏌️ Episode Summary:
In this episode of The Golf Intervention Podcast, we dive into the most common misconceptions we see from students every day—ideas that are so widespread, they've become part of the "golf gospel" even though they often do more harm than good. From swing speed myths to confusion over grip pressure and the steep vs. shallow debate, we’re clearing the air so you can start making real progress.

đź’ˇ Key Takeaway:
Many golfers are chasing fixes for problems they don’t actually have.  This episode is all about challenging assumptions, replacing myths with clarity, and helping you better understand your own swing.

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And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast.

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It is springtime in Virginia.

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The sun is out, the pollen has dispersed, the leaves are on the trees.

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I smacked myself in the head with a driver today and bled for two hours.

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Never missed a beat in any lesson.

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missed a beat.

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And on today's episode, we will discuss that and we're cover.

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How not to do that.

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And we will also cover, uh, three misconceptions that I'm seeing with golfers.

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Probably major misconceptions.

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Robbie's got three major misconceptions.

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I don't know his, he doesn't know mine.

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We're gonna discuss those today and hopefully you, the golfer, can learn something from those to help you play better golf in 2025.

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So thank you for tuning back in to the golf intervention.

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Podcast.

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So Rafael, you and I were just discussing a couple things, including you just wrapped up a golf school.

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Must have been pretty fun.

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It's that time of year people are learning about golf

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People are

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and at the

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the

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people are fired up.

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and the weather's getting good.

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And it's kind of like that.

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Virginia's an interesting state because it does give golfers that sort of trigger.

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It was like, oh, okay, now it's time to go play golf.

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Correct it.

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know, in Georgia and Florida, it's just a normal thing all year round.

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Whereas in Virginia, right, you put the six away for a little bit and then Now we're off and running and we are busy.

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oh man, crazy busy.

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And so that's why we probably haven't been as consistent about recording, although, you know, Easter and traveling and some stuff is going on.

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But we have lots of things to say.

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I kind of wanted to do a whole episode on the Master's final round, which we will not do.

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But there was things to learn there.

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And I know I'm not on the inner sanctum of Rory McElroy's team, nor would I pretend to be.

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Uh, but man, I am the biggest Rory fan.

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And, um, we all watch that.

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I, I tell everybody I need to reset.

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him to win that?

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Yeah.

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I needed resuscitated three times during that round.

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I literally died on the couch and like, daddy, are you okay?

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I like call 9 1 1, like it was that bad.

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Um, but I think there's things we've discussed here that I just,

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Yeah.

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Rory, you're right there.

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But hopefully the monkey is off the back now with Rory and, uh,

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Yes.

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play great golf.

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Hopefully this freed him up and, um.

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I mean, he could play golf as, as well as anybody that's probably ever played the game.

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And so,

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Yeah.

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um, hopefully he kinda gets over the hump'cause I know I want him to.

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So anyway, chitchatting about that.

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Um, I did bang my head today.

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I, I mentioned that.

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So I guess I won't leave that hanging out there.

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I, I will say this, I, I am many things good and bad, right?

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One of them is not clumsy.

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Like, I don't fall, I don't slip, I don't drop things Like I was thinking, I've had this, I've never broken an iPhone screen in my life.

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I don't drop my phone.

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I don't,

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That's

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trip and fall and none of those things, like, I'm just not clumsy.

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And, um, I don't know if you, if you call this clumsy, but I, I was kind of holding the club.

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Like a baseball bat, sort of in my hand.

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We were testing drivers and um, I had the driver like head up in the air, like near my head, and then the grip was pointed towards the ground and pulled it like a baseball bat.

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And he asked me a question and I, I went to show him like.

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It was actually about baseball.

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Like, oh, how did my baseball swing affect this?

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And I kind of made this like quick motion and the grip must have bounced off the counter and it slammed the club into the side of my head and it like knocked me and my ear starts bleeding.

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And as we learned Pat this past summer, ears bleed a lot.

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Okay.

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Like ears bleed.

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And that is true.

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I bled for two hours, like holding a tissue on my ear

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lord.

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and I was like.

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was not the peak of your athletic, uh, history in that

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No.

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I was like, whoa.

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I will tell you I never missed a beat.

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I taught boom, boom, boom.

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Lesson less, less.

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I sat for two of them though'cause and they were very nice.

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My next two, my next two lessons were like, do you need to like go somewhere?

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I'm like, no, I'll be fine.

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go to the hospital.

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I'm like, I don't have time to bleed.

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I don't have time for concussions.

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You're coming over the top and we gotta fix it.

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It is time.

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So anyway.

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nothing less though.

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Expect

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Yeah, this is just keep, you know, these are the teaching golf could be tough.

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I mean, people don't realize

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a contact sport man.

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it's a contact sport.

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But that brings me to the topic of today's show, which is common misconceptions.

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I.

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And I think that this time of year we're teaching so much, right?

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You're just turning over student after student, after student lesson, after lesson, after lesson.

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And every time you're trying, if you teach like Robbie and I teach, you're actually trying to gain an understanding of what their understanding is, right?

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Because you're trying to go on this journey together.

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To play better.

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And one of those things is you're trying to understand their intentions and what they're trying to do to produce golf shots or score better or, you know, whatever they're trying to do.

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So a lot of times we're, we're gaining these, we're asking them questions and we're gaining insights into what they think.

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And these are things that obviously, uh, none of this is making fun of people.

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It's just like people think things and it can hamper their development.

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Right.

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So I was, I was thinking about today's episode.

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I thought, okay, I'm seeing all kinds of misconceptions.

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Some we pick on a little bit on this show, but I'm seeing all kinds of things that are holding people back.

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And so I thought, let's do a show where, let's talk about the things that we're seeing on our lesson tees that are probably holding people back just from a misconception standpoint.

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Um, because we don't need those, we don't need those constraints, man.

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We need to, we need to free ourselves up from.

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Um, what's holding us back, and I've said it for a long, long time for my game personally, it was addition by subtraction.

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'cause the more I learned about what, what was right and wrong and what didn't matter and what was relevant and what wasn't relevant and what was kind of BS and what was old wives tales and what was things caddies whisper to you when you're playing bat and like what was actually real, like

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Yeah.

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real.

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And as we sorted through that.

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I just got better at golf.

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Just kept getting better because I wasn't, I wasn't chasing my tail through these misconceptions.

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So, um, I would say that, I'll start us off on this one just'cause I'm already rambling, but the number one I'm gonna start, I'm not going backwards.

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I'm gonna say number one for me

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Yeah.

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is that when people have ball flight issues, I feel like they.

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Put way too much emphasis on the shape or the direction of the swing, what you might call influence of path.

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one.

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Well,

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Oh my God.

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My number one was literally, people are directly equating the shot to the swing.

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yeah, and I would say that even, I would say I'm a little different that, but I it's the same.

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Um, but even in that, let's say in the, in the skill of ball flight control.

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mm-hmm.

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Like every time they hit a crooked shot, they think it's the swing shape or the swing direction.

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When a lot of times it could be the club.

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I mean, most of the time the club face, excuse me all the time, the club face angle is way more important.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Correct.

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remember, I have a head wound today, so this could be a little tricky.

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We, you spit this stuff out so.

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Let me say this again, and if you didn't go back to the show, we did a few episodes ago, oh no, four or five episodes ago.

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On the ball, on the ball flight loss, which was really detailed on the science of what makes the ball go where it goes.

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And we went through the stuff that's really matters and the curvature of the shot, really assuming center contact, assuming good contact, decent contact is, is influenced by the direction the club is moving, which is the path, and then the face angle and impact, right?

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And.

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The face is just way, way, way more influential than the path.

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So if I'm hitting one and I'm, you know, I'm hitting it to the left,

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ladder.

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the student, a lot of times, first instinct is just to try to swing to the right, right?

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But if it's a closed club face, everything gets worse.

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Are you seeing similar, I know you said it's your number one too, and in the same vein, so, um, have you seen some of those recently on the lesson t.

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Oh, a hundred percent.

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Yeah.

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And it comes more from a, like a, a judgment thing is like, oh, that was a bad shot, which means that was a bad swing.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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The question becomes, all right, well what's the solution to bad swing?

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Right?

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Like,

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Change swing.

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good swing, right?

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So

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Yeah.

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Right,

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So it's,

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right.

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not, uh, it's not anything tangible.

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It's not anything objective.

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It's not anything fact-based or measurable that you can actually learn from, right?

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And so a lot of my day is spent getting people to use skill differential training to disassociate and their perception of what a swing is.

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the shot because the differences in the shot are the skills, right?

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And the differences in the skills are really, really, really small.

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Where the bottom swing arc is in space, the face to path, the speed, like we've talked ad nauseum on this podcast, um, the differences in them are really, really small, right?

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And so.

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That is, that is the majority of, uh, of what I see.

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And it just creates a lot of anxiety because you have this belief if the, just the tiniest thing in your swing is off, it's gonna create a quote unquote bad golf shot, right?

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And then it creates this, like we've said before, this constriction of space with longer, widespread, more temp, more, um, personal consequences.

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All right, so it's very destabilizing with your confidence.

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It doesn't feel good.

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Um, you don't tend to learn as much again because you're just judging as good or bad.

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You're not actually giving yourself info.

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So it's, a, it's a, spiral that I see a lot of folks.

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I may have just had one earlier today where it was, oh my, I feel like I've lost my swing.

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The swing was no different than he's been for the last.

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3, 4 years that I've been working with him.

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And it's like, okay, first question is, know, where is the bottom of your offs swing?

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Do you know?

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And he was like, it could be here.

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It could be there.

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I was like, all right, hold on.

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Time out.

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Right?

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is the first step.

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You need to know what your tendency is.

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skill number one, right?

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What, why are we worried about our golf swing if we don't know where our tendency is with that first skill?

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Right?

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So we went through it, started hitting some better shots and I kind of tricked him.

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I was like,'cause we were doing some differential training and he got his bottom of the swing arc a little bit further back, a little closer to him.

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So it was getting it off the heel essentially.

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he hit one on the sweet spot.

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I was like, oh.

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I was like, how'd that swing feel?

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He's like, oh man, that one felt great.

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That swing felt, I was like, um, bad news bear.

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Still, it was the same swing,

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It was the same swing.

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Yeah, it wasn't a different swing.

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And

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Yeah.

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I just saw his, his shoulders kind of, you know, kind of exhale.

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Like, oh gosh, you're right.

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I've only been using the skill feedback to tell me if it was a good swing or not.

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I was like, that's what we gotta get away from.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, and I think that just the, we've harped on this probably it feels like for the last five or six episodes, but mainly because it's that time of year where people are ramping up and playing golf.

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Hmm.

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And so I felt like it's, the message is like the swing is not the shot.

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The swing gives you access to skills that produce the shots.

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And so you, you, you know, that's your gateway, so to speak.

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Now we're working on plenty of swings these days.

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I'm gonna tell you what, right now there's plenty of swing work going on in our bays.

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sure.

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Um, but at the end of the day, um, if we don't understand where the shots come from.

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It's really hard because then we start to go into this loop.

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And what I was even saying, like I think our points are similar and on the same vein, but slightly different.

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'cause it's like if I, if I think that the faces, if I think the ball's.

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Being going to the right because I'm, you know, swinging to the right or something, and I start swinging more, like all these massive quote unquote swing changes where I go Google, like, change my swing, like fix the hook or fix it.

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And then I, I don't have the context of what's going on.

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So being able to.

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Really be able to judge yourself across some feedback levels.

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Like, is my face open or close?

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Am I, is the low point, you know, too far forward, too far back?

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Is it good?

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Am I, you know, all those things help us, right?

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But we don't, when we have a bad ball flight shape, think I need to change the shape of my swing, like right off the bat.

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Like that's, it's too complex to do that.

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And people get, and this, this happened actually when I was little dazed today, that in between lesson where I was like.

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In and out.

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day did this happen?

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Was this early

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It was late and no, it was late in the day.

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It was in my one, it was in my, I'm trying to think, it was in my one o'clock lesson and it happened like towards the end, probably with like 20 minutes left.

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So my two o'clock lesson, this is the one I'm talking about.

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I was a little dazed and it was interesting because it takes me to my second misconception, um, but I'm not gonna bring that up yet.

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But the fact is, um.

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You know, he was Eric, I'm making terrible contact.

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Okay.

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So at least he knows it's a skill that's going on, right?

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I'm just hitting it poorly.

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I, I need to figure out what's going on.

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I'm not making good contact.

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I'm topping everything.

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I'm whatever.

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And I.

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I mean, he was standing up and swinging the, and I didn't have the track man on, but I'm wanna guess his, his path was like seven or eight degrees to the right with like no attack angle, like hitting up on it and just thinning and shanking, like all this stuff.

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Yeah.

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And I was like kind of working through this swing and I'm like, you know, we're swinging miles to the right.

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He goes, well, that's what I was trying to do.

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Right?

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So it's just like.

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Something must have gone wrong and the Google machine lit up and then all of a sudden that's, you know, the literally the thing he was trying to do was what's was hurting him.

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And his handicap's gone up four strokes in two weeks and he plays like four days a week.

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Like it was bad, like hitting it bad for him from a nine to a 13, like 50% increase in, in handicap.

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That feels like a lot.

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Right.

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a lot.

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So, um, so we had downwind that misconception for him a little bit.

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Alright, Rob fails.

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Anything else you wanna add in the, uh, blame your swing, um,

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Okay.

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Yeah, no, I think, I think very similar.

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I think yours is more towards the, the why the ball is doing what it's doing kind of thing.

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Whereas mine is more, just more philosophical.

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Like good and bad is not the answer.

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It's, it is what it is, what

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Right?

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happened.

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Right?

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And then.

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Is your golf swing allowing you to be skillful?

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Right.

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And do you have a way of figuring out if it is or is not?

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Mm-hmm.

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And that's where the help of a coach comes in oftentimes.

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Right?

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A hundred percent.

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that'd be, that'd be my, that'd be my big one.

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Cool.

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Okay, now give me your number two.

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I went first last time, so you, you lay it on me.

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Come on.

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Number two, Rob fails.

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Number two, the idea of should.

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The idea of good.

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no should.

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Oh, should.

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Should,

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How about that?

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Uh, did you like the Instagram video I sent you the other day?

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Uh uh.

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Yes, I did.

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Yeah.

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I mean, have to, should, can't, must.

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must.

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Yeah.

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It's pretty brutal.

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Alright, so enlighten us a little bit about that.

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Yeah.

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So it's like I get this question all breaking day long.

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It's should the ball be in my stance?

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Where

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Mm-hmm.

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should my hands be on the club?

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should I be aiming here?

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What shots should I be trying to hit?

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What club should I use here?

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What, and it's just always in this very, there is a correct or an incorrect of thing, and that's the beauty of our game, right?

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There are so many options in terms of there's really only like four main rules.

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It's like starts on the tee box, legal swings, the ball as it lies.

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Play the course as you found it.

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Right.

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Most of the rules are when you can't do one of those two like last ones.

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Right.

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And there's some etiquette stuff that you could say you probably should do terms of just navigating the golf course and being someone that you others wanna play with, right?

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We can say should when it comes to that, and that's pretty much where it ends.

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The way that you get the ball from point A to point B, there is no should.

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Right.

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It's if you're standing over a shot and you're saying, all right, well, the, the, the math is telling me that I should do this, but in my heart of hearts, I just don't want to do it this way.

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I don't want to hit this shot.

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I just, this is not how I want to do it.

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It's okay.

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Then don't do it.

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Right.

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Pick the shot that you want to hit, that you feel good about, that you're not gonna regret the way you did it afterwards send it.

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All right.

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Send it.

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That's a right.

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That is a, that's a huge, huge deal.

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we have a lot more margin for, for variability in terms of um, the way we stand, the way we hold it, the way we, again, like the shot choices that we have, like, there's just so many options that if we pencil ourselves in saying, okay, well there's a correct that I'm trying to find.

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Oftentimes it'll lead your attention in very non-relevant places.

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You start to, to say, okay, I've gotta make sure everything is exactly perfect for me to be able to play the way I want.

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And that's just not a great place to be.

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I, I, I, I try to give golfers that you need to give yourself grace for these, these things to change, You cannot say, all right, I'm gonna set it and forget it.

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Right?

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You are, you're human.

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You cannot repeat, you cannot step in the same river twice, so to speak.

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Um, you've gotta give yourself that ability to be flexible and portable with your skills.

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So when people say, how should I hold it?

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I typically say, well, I'll give you some ways that you could.

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Right.

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You could hold it this way, you, you do not have to hold it this way.

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this is where the exploration comes in.

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This is like, okay, I currently believe that this is a good idea for me, but gonna keep testing.

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I'm gonna keep trying out, I'm gonna keep exploring.

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I'm gonna keep figuring out what the best way is for me to go about this.

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Because Lord knows, I mean, if you look at the Hall of Fame, like it is littered with like, quote unquote bad golf swings.

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Right.

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Yeah,

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there's, uh, there is no should.

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That would be my, my number two.

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I like that one.

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And I would add to it, I mean, I think this lends to coaching as well, because I, I sent you this video.

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It was just, it's, look, it's probably from the eighties or nineties, right?

00:20:22.972 --> 00:20:30.982
It's like nothing new, but it's this big name, golfer, what you call Hall of Fame golfer, uh, golf instructor.

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Excuse me.

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And in the 32nd like video, he said to hit a good golf shot, you have to do this and your, your left arm must do this and this elbow has to do this.

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It can't do this, you can't do this.

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Your hip has to do this.

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And I was like watching it going, you know, he really is convicted that he believes everything he says is true.

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Right.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I think for some people the advice that he gives would definitely work.

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Right?

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But at the end of the day, when you're gonna play your best golf, and our philosophy would be, and a lot of teacher's philosophy would be, is that's, that's indoctrination.

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And that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, right?

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I had one today where the guy was, the face was open.

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Okay.

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Your club face open and impact to the path.

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13 degrees on average.

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Okay.

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Newer golfer.

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And he had been playing fine and then he kinda went away and he, he text me from, from Florida and he is like, man, I've added a stroke to every hole.

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He's like, I need help.

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So he came back in and that, you know, and I watched him like the clubface is just wide open, right?

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You could see it on the first few swings.

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And so what did we do?

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We explored some ways to CLO to get the CLO face square or to close it or less open, whatever you wanna call it.

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And one of them was like, alright, new golfer.

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Let's try to str, you know, maybe we'll strengthen the left hand grip a little bit to see.

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I said we explored that option.

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Let's try.

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Hey, I said let's try something with your left hand grip.

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That could be it.

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Maybe a potential answer.

00:22:00.667 --> 00:22:02.468
Um, guess what happened?

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It made it worse.

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I,

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open.

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Yeah.

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okay, so

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You never know, right?

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We

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there's no textbook.

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yes.

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know.

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Text

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So he, he plays better.

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What's that

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you, you said, you said text bur

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textbook answer?

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I'm telling you.

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I've got a concussion,

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I'm, I'm sorry.

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I couldn't

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um,

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Mm.

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textbook.

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Um, so.

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Yes.

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You know, it just hit

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idea what's gonna happen before it happens.

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correct.

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So there is no right, like you, you could look in the textbook or Burke or whatever we said, and um, you know, a stronger, more rotated, you know, over grip could.

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Make the club face come in more closed

00:22:52.993 --> 00:22:53.213
Yes.

00:22:53.347 --> 00:22:54.367
for him.

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It made it more open.

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Why?

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I don't really know.

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We, we hit a few.

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Clearly was uncomfortable for him.

00:23:01.657 --> 00:23:05.288
He didn't like it, you know, could be an anatomical, right?

00:23:05.377 --> 00:23:06.397
Uh, it doesn't matter.

00:23:06.397 --> 00:23:07.748
It just didn't work, right?

00:23:08.167 --> 00:23:16.567
So the point is when you bring a student in and, and, and what Robbie's not saying is, um, if you come and you're a beginner golfer.

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You're, and someone says, Hey, where's the ball position supposed to be?

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Robbie's not gonna say, well, I don't have the answer for you.

00:23:23.307 --> 00:23:24.298
You're gonna have to explore.

00:23:24.327 --> 00:23:26.367
I mean, you're gonna give him a jumping off point.

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We're gonna coach him up.

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Right?

00:23:27.867 --> 00:23:31.198
And so that's like you're helping them learn.

00:23:31.528 --> 00:23:32.577
But there isn't.

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We didn't go to PGA school and they say, here's the grip, here's the stance, here's the ball position, here's the back swing, here's the, but.

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It.

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There's a lot of very high ego people that teach that think they have all the answers, and this is one of the things that you have to determine as a student when you go find yourself a coach, do you want a coach that tells you, you have to do this and you have to do this, and you have to do this and can't do that?

00:23:56.837 --> 00:23:57.587
You can't do that.

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Or do you want one that's gonna work with you, your capabilities?

00:24:03.288 --> 00:24:11.928
Your limitations, your learning style, to try to find a, a way to draw out of you, your best way to play golf.

00:24:12.107 --> 00:24:18.978
And that is gonna start with exploration and options and skill training and variability and all these things that we talk about.

00:24:19.097 --> 00:24:21.137
So, um, I like that one.

00:24:21.137 --> 00:24:24.018
Really, I, I like the way you framed that for this episode.

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There is no should, there's lots of coulds.

00:24:27.532 --> 00:24:27.863
Right.

00:24:28.163 --> 00:24:31.042
And don't ever say can't, don't ever say can't in my bay.

00:24:31.792 --> 00:24:31.823
Oh.

00:24:31.823 --> 00:24:36.083
When people say can't, I'm like, please don't say can't.

00:24:36.614 --> 00:24:36.913
Yeah.

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Right.

00:24:38.423 --> 00:24:41.932
Um, alright, so my number two, my number two.

00:24:41.962 --> 00:24:55.432
Moving right along my, there's just, we could do a whole show on this and maybe we will, we probably will, but I think social media feeds this one big time.

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Um, misconceptions around these two words, steep and shallow, and the biggest one being that one of them is better than the other one.

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I just told a story about how I made a, I worked hard with a player today to make their swing steeper, right?

00:25:16.673 --> 00:25:18.623
Because they were so shallow.

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I would say that probably in the steep and shallow story, which I don't stand there all day say, in terms of steep and shallow.

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'cause a, most people have no idea what you're talking about.

00:25:30.893 --> 00:25:34.432
'cause you could be referring to a lot of stuff, but.

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For the most part, um, I work on the quote unquote steepening equally as much as I do shallowing, I would say with people.

00:25:44.863 --> 00:25:53.532
And this notion that everything has to be shallow has actually just kept me really busy because it screws up as many people as being steep.

00:25:53.827 --> 00:25:54.492
And I don't,

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Yeah.

00:25:55.242 --> 00:25:56.323
it just is what it is.

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It is misinterpreting or it's just not, it's not gonna work for the person that's in front of them.

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So.

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Um, I think that if I were, if I were a golfer trying to get better, trying to improve, um, I don't think I'd worry about steep and shallow at all.

00:26:14.542 --> 00:26:15.742
I don't think it would be on my mind.

00:26:16.327 --> 00:26:18.053
I, I, I think I would let it go.

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I think it would just let it us hit.

00:26:19.673 --> 00:26:22.823
Okay, we're gonna make a bold statement on the Golf Intervention Podcast today.

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People let it go steep and shallow.

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Let it go.

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Doesn't it feel good?

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Take a breath.

00:26:30.808 --> 00:26:31.769
it feels great.

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Shallow is not better.

00:26:35.722 --> 00:26:36.262
Let it go.

00:26:36.442 --> 00:26:36.893
Let it out.

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Shallow is not better, man.

00:26:41.063 --> 00:26:41.663
I feel better.

00:26:41.722 --> 00:26:42.173
How about you?

00:26:43.108 --> 00:26:43.919
I already feel better,

00:26:44.843 --> 00:26:45.383
What do you think?

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What do you, what Do you

00:26:46.229 --> 00:26:49.199
like I, I think that, um.

00:26:50.249 --> 00:26:54.028
It just gets flushed out when we do skill different terrain, to be honest with you.

00:26:54.417 --> 00:26:55.432
a hundred percent agree?

00:26:55.492 --> 00:26:55.823
Yep.

00:26:56.969 --> 00:26:57.419
It's like,

00:26:58.042 --> 00:26:58.073
I.

00:26:58.288 --> 00:27:06.419
if, if the bottom of your golf swing is to the right and then in our efforts to get it too far left, the shaft pitch changes or whatever, then great.

00:27:06.419 --> 00:27:06.479
I.

00:27:06.913 --> 00:27:07.243
Cool.

00:27:07.483 --> 00:27:08.023
Sounds great.

00:27:08.443 --> 00:27:08.683
Right?

00:27:08.683 --> 00:27:24.374
If it, if the bottom swing's too far in front of the ball, like to the left, relative to the golfer, like as the golfer looks at the golf ball to their left closer to the target we're just exploring moving that bottom swing arc further to the right or further to the left and the shaft pit changes, great.

00:27:25.723 --> 00:27:26.023
Right?

00:27:26.023 --> 00:27:29.443
But it's, it's, it's just not super relevant.

00:27:29.473 --> 00:27:34.753
A lot of times, I think the, the word shallow when it comes to like.

00:27:35.038 --> 00:27:36.058
Backswing downswing.

00:27:36.058 --> 00:27:42.223
Geometry is really describing topic from Dr.

00:27:42.223 --> 00:27:44.788
McKenzie that actually isn't very easy to see.

00:27:45.388 --> 00:27:55.259
It's easier to feel especially if you do some rhythm stuff, if you do some single arm drills, if you do some things like that, like much easier to feel that relationship.

00:27:57.044 --> 00:27:58.334
Than it is to see it.

00:27:58.334 --> 00:28:07.453
And a lot of times, like you could be creating this nice relationship and it look quote unquote steep, could be not creating that relationship and it looked, quote unquote, shallow.

00:28:07.513 --> 00:28:09.163
So to me it's like, what's the point?

00:28:09.163 --> 00:28:15.134
Like, why are we putting our attention on the geometry of the shaft pitch?

00:28:15.493 --> 00:28:15.943
Really?

00:28:16.814 --> 00:28:19.723
Uh, it doesn't, it doesn't move the needle for me much.

00:28:20.673 --> 00:28:21.153
Let it go.

00:28:22.022 --> 00:28:22.413
Let it go.

00:28:22.413 --> 00:28:23.373
Golfers let it go.

00:28:24.032 --> 00:28:28.113
Um, and the term just gets thrown around way too, um, way too many things.

00:28:28.653 --> 00:28:34.232
So to me, like, okay, the, the pitch of the shaft is what you're, what you're referring to, right?

00:28:34.232 --> 00:28:38.643
Like some angle of the shaft early in the downswing, right?

00:28:38.913 --> 00:28:39.843
That's steep.

00:28:39.843 --> 00:28:40.083
Well.

00:28:40.373 --> 00:28:45.262
I don't know, I'd call that upright or maybe flatter or, you know, is it shallow or steep?

00:28:45.472 --> 00:28:46.042
To me?

00:28:46.103 --> 00:28:53.303
To me, shallow and steep has a lot to do with, um, you know, what the, how the club is moving at impact.

00:28:53.393 --> 00:28:56.512
Like, it has nothing to do with the, with the shaft pitch, right?

00:28:56.512 --> 00:29:02.782
So like some people are very steep with the shaft, quote unquote shaft pitch early in the downswing.

00:29:03.173 --> 00:29:06.728
And those are people that are end up being so shallow and impact a lot of'em.

00:29:06.728 --> 00:29:07.373
It's crazy.

00:29:07.499 --> 00:29:07.858
angle.

00:29:07.888 --> 00:29:08.009
Yeah.

00:29:08.363 --> 00:29:08.873
Correct.

00:29:08.873 --> 00:29:12.442
So an upward attack angle I would refer to as shallow.

00:29:12.682 --> 00:29:12.952
Right.

00:29:12.952 --> 00:29:14.873
And downward attack angle would be steeper.

00:29:14.903 --> 00:29:15.772
That's my opinion

00:29:15.894 --> 00:29:16.314
Mm-hmm.

00:29:16.913 --> 00:29:18.232
outswing direction.

00:29:18.232 --> 00:29:22.403
For a path for a right hander would be, in my opinion, more shallow.

00:29:22.432 --> 00:29:22.792
Right.

00:29:23.123 --> 00:29:26.932
Or out hand is probably steeper, but that's not even a great descriptor either.

00:29:26.962 --> 00:29:28.133
So I don't even use it.

00:29:28.163 --> 00:29:28.492
Right.

00:29:28.732 --> 00:29:33.833
I just use that was more up or more down or more end to out or more out to end.

00:29:33.833 --> 00:29:34.222
Right.

00:29:34.732 --> 00:29:37.403
And the shaft pitch geometry is just.

00:29:38.133 --> 00:29:40.472
It's a little bit of a waste of time to even look at.

00:29:40.712 --> 00:29:48.992
I think it's so heavily influenced by Instagram because people can show it, show something, and draw lines on it, and it just gets confusing.

00:29:49.383 --> 00:29:55.262
And the fact that like people are showing Justin Rose's pre-shot routine and being like, everyone should do this.

00:29:55.502 --> 00:29:59.702
Don't turn in the downswing and drop your arms straight down.

00:29:59.853 --> 00:30:03.932
I'm like, okay, that's gonna keep me busy for a while in the teaching bay too.

00:30:04.143 --> 00:30:05.397
I can't wait to see that one.

00:30:06.143 --> 00:30:07.492
Um, so

00:30:07.963 --> 00:30:08.054
Yep.

00:30:09.383 --> 00:30:14.932
I guess that just goes into the other stuff we always talk about, but you can't oversimplify this game in a lot of ways, right?

00:30:14.932 --> 00:30:16.133
Like, don't try to do it.

00:30:16.133 --> 00:30:18.712
Don't, don't try to, it's just, it's just golf.

00:30:19.222 --> 00:30:23.482
Find a good coach, take a lesson, don't talk about shaft pitch.

00:30:23.512 --> 00:30:24.173
Life will be good.

00:30:24.803 --> 00:30:26.272
I think that's all I have to say about that.

00:30:26.903 --> 00:30:30.053
Um, alright, number three.

00:30:30.262 --> 00:30:32.182
I can't decide which number three I want to do.

00:30:33.607 --> 00:30:36.998
I have four just in case you had, you and I overlapped a little bit.

00:30:38.137 --> 00:30:38.917
Do you have a good number three?

00:30:38.917 --> 00:30:40.357
You wanna do your number three next?

00:30:40.648 --> 00:30:41.699
Yeah, I got a solid one.

00:30:42.008 --> 00:30:42.218
Okay.

00:30:42.218 --> 00:30:43.867
You, you do your number three, how decide.

00:30:44.848 --> 00:30:46.919
it's grip pressure versus tension,

00:30:48.067 --> 00:30:48.667
Mm-hmm.

00:30:48.838 --> 00:30:49.138
right?

00:30:49.138 --> 00:30:53.459
So this is a big one recently, right?

00:30:53.638 --> 00:30:58.739
Because typically in my lessons, we'll start off depending on kind of where they're at with either skill or swing stuff.

00:30:59.429 --> 00:31:05.999
Um, if we start with swing stuff, which, if I've got a beginner or someone who hasn't played a lot, you know, a lot of times we're starting with swing stuff.

00:31:05.999 --> 00:31:07.499
We're saying, okay, how can we hold it?

00:31:07.798 --> 00:31:08.909
How can we stand?

00:31:09.328 --> 00:31:13.499
How can we get this club swinging and rotating around us right?

00:31:13.499 --> 00:31:18.538
In a nice general rhythm that we can develop skill off of right in.

00:31:18.538 --> 00:31:28.348
The biggest barrier to that that I see is excess tension in the ri surrounding the wrist, surrounding the forearms and elbows.

00:31:28.693 --> 00:31:29.864
Surrounding the shoulders.

00:31:30.074 --> 00:31:30.374
Right.

00:31:30.374 --> 00:31:38.773
So really like if I were to go in there and grab the club and try to move them around, very difficult to move the club.

00:31:39.763 --> 00:31:50.713
What's very interesting with those same people though, is that when I look at their grips, there's a lot of space, there's a lot of air, there's a lot of gapping the hands and the club.

00:31:50.983 --> 00:31:57.193
So like you could literally get your, you could, you could see where there could be some motion between the grip.

00:31:57.689 --> 00:32:02.788
Itself in the hands during the swing, like the grip, like literally the grip can move in the hands during the

00:32:02.972 --> 00:32:04.448
Oh yeah, I see it all day long.

00:32:05.128 --> 00:32:05.459
right?

00:32:05.848 --> 00:32:12.538
So I would say they have an excess of tension with not enough grip pressure, right?

00:32:12.929 --> 00:32:16.824
So what we want is we want to actually get the club very secured in the fingers, right?

00:32:17.489 --> 00:32:26.999
So where there's no gapping, there's no space, there's no air, there's no way for the club to move relative to the hand between.

00:32:27.913 --> 00:32:29.294
swing and impact, right?

00:32:30.104 --> 00:32:31.693
it impacted if you hit the tow or heel.

00:32:31.693 --> 00:32:33.403
It's gonna move around a little bit, obviously.

00:32:34.334 --> 00:32:40.394
But if I were to go in there for these golfers, again, it's very secure, so I cannot possibly take the club outta their hands.

00:32:40.784 --> 00:32:43.753
But if I try to move them, there's no resistance.

00:32:44.023 --> 00:32:47.983
I can easily just pick up their arms and they fall down like dead weight.

00:32:48.253 --> 00:32:52.544
I can move the club in any which way possible, there's no.

00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.469
There's no strain whatsoever.

00:32:56.429 --> 00:33:01.138
they're tension free, but they've got appropriate grip pressure.

00:33:01.348 --> 00:33:03.479
And I'm not talking about squeezing the life out of it.

00:33:04.409 --> 00:33:08.638
not talking about like a, I don't think you can like actually hold it like a baby bird either.

00:33:08.669 --> 00:33:10.558
Like, that's garbage too, right?

00:33:10.919 --> 00:33:13.348
So have it, have it, have it.

00:33:14.009 --> 00:33:19.259
Hold it tight enough, hold it secure enough where it doesn't move around in your fingers.

00:33:19.499 --> 00:33:20.578
But then give me.

00:33:21.209 --> 00:33:26.939
As little tension as possible around the wrist, around the forearm, around the elbow, around the shoulder, right?

00:33:26.939 --> 00:33:28.588
Because we want them swinging freely.

00:33:28.588 --> 00:33:30.449
We do not want it to be steered.

00:33:31.648 --> 00:33:33.328
So that would be my, my number three.

00:33:33.982 --> 00:33:34.553
I like it.

00:33:34.883 --> 00:33:38.633
Um, I've been working, I've been working on my grip strength recently.

00:33:38.813 --> 00:33:41.002
I've been doing it for probably like a year actually.

00:33:41.542 --> 00:33:46.613
Um, I have, um, you know, like a squeezy thing that I use and then I've been doing.

00:33:46.762 --> 00:33:52.762
Like, um, dead weight body hangs that really help you kind of do it on for a minute and off for 32nd.

00:33:52.762 --> 00:33:58.252
You know, you're trying to increase your grip pressure and I've been, um, doing some resistance training, which helps too.

00:33:58.673 --> 00:34:00.712
Um, but I can feel, I.

00:34:01.417 --> 00:34:03.278
Uh, when my hands get stronger.

00:34:03.278 --> 00:34:07.778
And I think that grip strength is something we don't discuss enough probably in golf.

00:34:07.778 --> 00:34:13.688
Like there's a lot of things we discuss in golf and grip strength isn't one, but I can tell when my hands are weaker.

00:34:14.018 --> 00:34:16.898
I just don't, I don't play as good at golf at all.

00:34:17.498 --> 00:34:25.898
And I think it plays into what you're talking about is I'm able to support that club with a strong grip that's not, um.

00:34:26.253 --> 00:34:29.672
Creating tension up through the, and it just lends to control.

00:34:30.032 --> 00:34:40.023
I mean, if you shake hands with a tour player, they, it feels like you've never shaken hands with a tour player where they feel like they have a weak grip, like their wrists and hand.

00:34:40.052 --> 00:34:48.693
Even the LPGA tour shake hands with a i, um, obviously I'm friends with one, but, um, uh, what's the name?

00:34:48.693 --> 00:34:49.293
Austin ert.

00:34:49.503 --> 00:34:51.422
Is that one, is that an lp?

00:34:51.422 --> 00:34:51.782
Yeah.

00:34:52.117 --> 00:34:57.128
Austin ert, is that her name anyway, PXG player, she was out playing one day at CCV.

00:34:57.518 --> 00:35:00.907
Um, and I, you know, just met her on the range and shook her hand.

00:35:00.907 --> 00:35:03.248
I'm like, gracious, like they're just strong.

00:35:03.307 --> 00:35:06.788
Like you cannot be really good at golf without strong hands.

00:35:07.117 --> 00:35:12.338
And so to your point, like there's this, again, misconception around like.

00:35:13.418 --> 00:35:15.967
W you don't wanna be floppy, you wanna be strong.

00:35:16.418 --> 00:35:16.807
Right.

00:35:17.347 --> 00:35:20.257
And, but it's a, it's an interesting one.

00:35:20.257 --> 00:35:21.907
I think it's a point well noted.

00:35:22.063 --> 00:35:22.304
It,

00:35:22.568 --> 00:35:23.168
Um,

00:35:23.353 --> 00:35:24.134
free.

00:35:24.134 --> 00:35:28.813
It's free from the, basically the wrist out.

00:35:29.467 --> 00:35:29.677
yeah.

00:35:30.367 --> 00:35:30.668
Yeah.

00:35:31.208 --> 00:35:32.588
But strong in the hands.

00:35:32.653 --> 00:35:33.014
hands.

00:35:33.277 --> 00:35:33.757
Mm-hmm.

00:35:34.182 --> 00:35:35.413
fingers are secured.

00:35:35.413 --> 00:35:40.873
But like, I would even say like, the hand can be soft, like you can have.

00:35:41.563 --> 00:35:48.224
Relatively like up here, as I'm looking at the camera here, like up there, up here can be relatively tension free,

00:35:48.682 --> 00:35:48.972
Yeah,

00:35:49.994 --> 00:35:54.914
like fingers and heel pad up against that, that, that's, that's solid.

00:35:54.914 --> 00:35:55.693
That's not going anywhere.

00:35:56.978 --> 00:36:06.757
so apparently around the Master's time, John Daley, I don't know why this went viral, but at least five people asked me about this, John Daley.

00:36:07.373 --> 00:36:09.293
No, this is part of what you were saying.

00:36:09.293 --> 00:36:10.282
This is part of yours.

00:36:10.342 --> 00:36:23.333
Um, John Daley did some thing where he said, um, some clip must have gone around TikTok or something where he said, uh, people get fit for clubs all the time, but they always play their wrong size grip.

00:36:23.333 --> 00:36:24.983
'cause no one gets fit for grips.

00:36:25.012 --> 00:36:25.822
Nobody.

00:36:25.822 --> 00:36:28.913
And like four people, not CCV people.

00:36:28.913 --> 00:36:29.603
This was like,

00:36:30.204 --> 00:36:30.623
Mm-hmm.

00:36:30.742 --> 00:36:33.172
friend of mine at church and like somebody like.

00:36:34.103 --> 00:36:35.603
How come no one gets fit for grips?

00:36:35.603 --> 00:36:37.253
I said I fit people for grips.

00:36:37.253 --> 00:36:40.193
Every single, like every club fitting, they get fit for their grip size.

00:36:40.612 --> 00:36:47.003
But to your point, like a lot of men play grips that are way too small, in my opinion.

00:36:47.543 --> 00:36:49.523
And then the club is moving around in there.

00:36:49.762 --> 00:36:50.963
There's so much space in there.

00:36:51.043 --> 00:36:51.552
Yeah.

00:36:51.713 --> 00:36:55.373
I've been actually putting some people in the big, like Bryson grips.

00:36:55.882 --> 00:36:56.483
Um.

00:36:57.193 --> 00:36:57.253
Mm.

00:36:57.253 --> 00:36:57.344
Cool.

00:36:58.163 --> 00:37:05.842
There's been some study around that recently, um, that, that the oversized grip can actually lead to, to more speed.

00:37:05.842 --> 00:37:13.012
And I, and I wonder if it's what you're talking about, like I can get it in there and secure it and kind of put a good firm grip on it, but it's,

00:37:13.153 --> 00:37:13.364
see that.

00:37:14.032 --> 00:37:17.182
but I can keep my rest of my body loose by doing it.

00:37:17.182 --> 00:37:25.222
So, um, yeah, I put some jumbo max on this dude, like he was playing mid-size, which was fine, but he's six three.

00:37:26.557 --> 00:37:29.257
And he wore an XL glove and it was small on him.

00:37:30.038 --> 00:37:30.878
It was like kind of tight.

00:37:31.597 --> 00:37:33.188
And I'm like, bro, hold this.

00:37:33.188 --> 00:37:37.088
I just had a jbo Max on a, on a random nine iron and the, so people could feel it.

00:37:37.838 --> 00:37:39.547
And he was like, oh my gosh.

00:37:40.597 --> 00:37:46.628
And he, I ordered him a set and he, we put it, we put him on and he said, changed his game co completely changed his game.

00:37:47.467 --> 00:37:48.458
And I'm like, well, there you go.

00:37:49.148 --> 00:37:50.438
Grip size, huge.

00:37:50.438 --> 00:37:51.398
So yes.

00:37:51.673 --> 00:37:52.123
That's cool.

00:37:52.364 --> 00:37:52.634
Yeah.

00:37:52.688 --> 00:37:54.847
Eh, I would argue with John Daly on this one.

00:37:54.847 --> 00:37:56.797
People definitely get fit for grip size.

00:37:56.858 --> 00:37:59.168
I mean, every fitting we do, we do a lot of fittings.

00:37:59.168 --> 00:38:01.208
We fit for grip size, so that is it.

00:38:01.327 --> 00:38:01.628
Okay.

00:38:01.628 --> 00:38:02.168
Number three.

00:38:02.827 --> 00:38:11.672
This one's kind of general, so this could take a little while, but there's so many misconceptions around speed.

00:38:12.862 --> 00:38:13.152
Okay.

00:38:13.632 --> 00:38:18.128
Starting with things like, and we say this all the time, like you and I will hear, oh, I know.

00:38:18.128 --> 00:38:19.717
My problem is I'm quote unquote.

00:38:20.123 --> 00:38:21.503
Swinging too fast.

00:38:22.132 --> 00:38:28.193
Um, or I need to really slow my back swing down'cause I know that's gonna help me.

00:38:28.672 --> 00:38:29.092
Um,

00:38:29.204 --> 00:38:29.623
Oh yeah.

00:38:29.923 --> 00:38:30.193
Yep.

00:38:31.273 --> 00:38:31.543
That's

00:38:31.643 --> 00:38:32.123
a tough one.

00:38:34.913 --> 00:38:35.333
Um,

00:38:35.534 --> 00:38:37.063
the same crappy rhythm.

00:38:37.063 --> 00:38:37.724
Slower.

00:38:38.563 --> 00:38:38.954
great.

00:38:40.313 --> 00:38:42.773
rhythm is a big discussion when it comes to that, right?

00:38:42.862 --> 00:38:43.373
Um,

00:38:43.543 --> 00:38:44.264
we'll talk about that.

00:38:45.353 --> 00:38:45.592
so.

00:38:46.728 --> 00:38:46.849
I.

00:38:48.338 --> 00:38:58.208
Yeah, so many, so many misconceptions around speed and then even when people are trying to get more speed, how they're doing that is can be a big misconception too.

00:38:58.588 --> 00:38:58.949
Yeah.

00:38:59.367 --> 00:38:59.639
Yep.

00:38:59.708 --> 00:39:04.777
I would say that the one I see the most is, I know I'm swinging too fast.

00:39:05.588 --> 00:39:10.987
So I think the feel of that for people is this sense of like kinda losing control and losing their rhythm in their swing.

00:39:10.987 --> 00:39:12.458
So I think that

00:39:12.989 --> 00:39:13.018
A

00:39:13.237 --> 00:39:13.628
correct.

00:39:13.628 --> 00:39:17.617
So, so do me a favor, Robbie,'cause I think you do this really well.

00:39:17.648 --> 00:39:18.998
You do this much better than I do.

00:39:19.657 --> 00:39:25.838
Describe to the podcast listener the difference between tempo, speed, and rhythm.

00:39:27.097 --> 00:39:27.668
Please,

00:39:27.884 --> 00:39:31.393
So, all right, buckle up.

00:39:31.423 --> 00:39:37.333
So tempo is the overall amount of time in the swing.

00:39:37.782 --> 00:39:38.173
All right?

00:39:38.173 --> 00:39:43.873
So we're gonna use a different, uh, like syllable counts as a good comp for this.

00:39:43.873 --> 00:39:44.083
So.

00:39:44.728 --> 00:39:49.619
If I were to make a golf swing with a one syllable of time, right?

00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:55.108
So my backswing is gonna be John, my entire downswing and follow through is gonna be rum.

00:39:55.528 --> 00:40:06.509
So the amount of time it takes to say, John, the amount of time it takes to say rum is the, is the duration of time in the backswing, and then the duration of time in the downswing.

00:40:06.509 --> 00:40:10.409
So both words, John backswing rom downswing, and fall through.

00:40:11.338 --> 00:40:13.798
Now if I go to a two syllable.

00:40:14.458 --> 00:40:14.639
Right.

00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:22.259
If we used driver driver more time, that's a different tempo, right?

00:40:22.259 --> 00:40:23.788
You could say it's a quote unquote.

00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:26.188
That's why I don't like using faster or slower.

00:40:26.248 --> 00:40:28.949
When we're talking about tempo, it's just more time or less, right?

00:40:29.132 --> 00:40:29.463
Yeah.

00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:31.288
It's just a different tempo.

00:40:31.557 --> 00:40:34.498
And then typically then we go to three syllables.

00:40:35.307 --> 00:40:36.327
use Virginia.

00:40:36.568 --> 00:40:40.708
Virginia, Different tempo more time.

00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:42.989
Alright, so.

00:40:43.333 --> 00:40:44.742
That's important.

00:40:44.742 --> 00:40:45.643
Distinction number one.

00:40:46.603 --> 00:40:51.163
All right, so just for, for someone who says, okay, faster tempo, slower tempo, just understand.

00:40:51.193 --> 00:40:51.554
Okay.

00:40:51.853 --> 00:40:54.824
Faster tempo is less time slower.

00:40:54.824 --> 00:40:56.233
Tempo is just more time.

00:40:57.023 --> 00:40:57.202
Mm-hmm.

00:40:58.094 --> 00:41:01.543
Rhythm is the pattern of time.

00:41:02.443 --> 00:41:10.932
So is your backswing and then entire downswing involved through relatively matched, they slightly different in one way or another?

00:41:11.384 --> 00:41:12.614
What is that ratio?

00:41:12.614 --> 00:41:12.673
I.

00:41:13.478 --> 00:41:13.898
Mm-hmm.

00:41:14.398 --> 00:41:30.028
In my experience, when the rhythm is fairly free, free, um, when it is uninhibited, those two timeframes tend to match up ish, right?

00:41:30.034 --> 00:41:30.523
It's not gonna be

00:41:30.742 --> 00:41:32.333
Close, correct?

00:41:33.143 --> 00:41:34.884
but they're close-ish,

00:41:34.972 --> 00:41:35.092
Mm-hmm.

00:41:35.463 --> 00:41:39.778
So when you go Virginia and then Kat.

00:41:40.844 --> 00:41:41.233
Okay.

00:41:41.297 --> 00:41:41.648
Right.

00:41:41.893 --> 00:41:43.784
most, most of the day.

00:41:44.092 --> 00:41:44.393
Yep.

00:41:44.923 --> 00:41:49.634
And it's not even Virginia, it's usually California, uh, cat.

00:41:50.054 --> 00:41:50.324
Right.

00:41:50.327 --> 00:41:50.547
Yep.

00:41:50.552 --> 00:41:50.693
Yep.

00:41:51.043 --> 00:41:51.824
what I see.

00:41:52.663 --> 00:41:55.063
That would be a different rhythm.

00:41:55.063 --> 00:41:58.423
That would be kind of a very off, what I call like an off time rhythm.

00:41:59.003 --> 00:41:59.273
Right.

00:41:59.954 --> 00:42:04.333
typically that's very steered, that's very tight, that's very tense.

00:42:05.443 --> 00:42:08.744
you're very much grabbing the club, forcing it.

00:42:09.478 --> 00:42:12.898
Uh, to the ball, things of that nature that we don't like to see.

00:42:13.793 --> 00:42:14.123
Mm-hmm.

00:42:14.608 --> 00:42:23.398
again, the rhythm, the word kind of freedom, rhythm, kind of the, um, the overall pattern time.

00:42:25.288 --> 00:42:26.248
speed.

00:42:26.668 --> 00:42:30.867
If we're talking about it, is measured in club head speed at the ball.

00:42:31.152 --> 00:42:31.572
Mm-hmm.

00:42:32.038 --> 00:42:35.157
So I want you to think of this more as a.

00:42:35.623 --> 00:42:43.034
Total quantity of energy, necessarily the tempo'cause this is what most people do.

00:42:43.063 --> 00:42:51.253
They equate, okay, I gotta swing faster by increasing the speed of the tempo, which is just less time.

00:42:51.704 --> 00:42:57.528
So then they go from Virginia, Virginia drive her cat.

00:42:58.043 --> 00:42:58.463
Mm-hmm.

00:42:58.813 --> 00:43:01.063
to get more clubhead speed at the bottom.

00:43:01.568 --> 00:43:01.777
Right.

00:43:01.934 --> 00:43:04.393
in doing so, they give themselves less time.

00:43:04.393 --> 00:43:13.333
Probably not that much different swing, like from a, a, uh, swing size standpoint, quite a bit shorter swing a lot of times.

00:43:14.264 --> 00:43:17.503
And so they end up actually having less energy at the golf ball.

00:43:17.744 --> 00:43:20.684
Less momentum of less momentum at the golf ball.

00:43:20.684 --> 00:43:23.054
They're trying to swing faster, faster, faster, faster, faster.

00:43:23.864 --> 00:43:26.293
the club is actually decreased.

00:43:26.324 --> 00:43:30.793
Like the amount of momentum the ball is getting from the club at impact is decreasing.

00:43:31.903 --> 00:43:37.514
So what we're really looking for is we're looking for an amount of force.

00:43:37.514 --> 00:43:41.413
So again, let's talk about like, let's use like a three syllable word as an analogy here.

00:43:41.413 --> 00:43:48.014
So let's say someone's backswing was energy and then their tire downswing was energy, right?

00:43:48.583 --> 00:43:50.563
So more or less.

00:43:51.403 --> 00:43:57.974
just the amount of work, the amount of force that you're putting into that, essentially that first syllable.

00:43:58.333 --> 00:44:13.903
So any swing in like, like a quote unquote true swing, like you're creating some force into the club early, and then you're allowing that force to become momentum that swings back and then back into, into the golf ball.

00:44:14.684 --> 00:44:18.284
So the more force you put into that initial syllable.

00:44:19.768 --> 00:44:24.298
The further it's gonna travel and the faster it's gonna travel.

00:44:24.778 --> 00:44:26.548
That's why the time stays the same.

00:44:26.969 --> 00:44:32.489
If I give it less force, it's gonna go slower, but it's also not gonna go as far.

00:44:32.489 --> 00:44:34.978
So the time is gonna be the same.

00:44:34.978 --> 00:44:38.489
I'm gonna be Virginia, Virginia for a 40 yard pitch shot.

00:44:39.103 --> 00:44:43.003
Virginia, Virginia for an 150 yard iron shot.

00:44:43.452 --> 00:44:47.773
And then Virginia, Virginia for a 300 yard drive.

00:44:47.898 --> 00:44:48.318
Mm-hmm.

00:44:48.463 --> 00:45:04.182
I'm just putting more force, more work into that early part of the swing, then I'm allowing that force to become momentum that stretches my body and swings my arms and rotates the club back and then back down into the golf ball.

00:45:04.182 --> 00:45:08.472
So just to review, tempo is time, amount of time.

00:45:09.523 --> 00:45:11.623
The rhythm is the pattern of time.

00:45:12.943 --> 00:45:22.603
What we're looking for in clumped speed and the feedback when we see the ball, speed is an amount of momentum and it's an amount of energy.

00:45:22.603 --> 00:45:25.574
It's like how much water are you pouring into the bucket?

00:45:26.103 --> 00:45:26.523
Mm-hmm.

00:45:26.983 --> 00:45:28.813
five pounds of water in the bucket?

00:45:28.963 --> 00:45:30.913
Do you have 10 pounds of water in the bucket?

00:45:31.304 --> 00:45:31.603
Right.

00:45:31.603 --> 00:45:32.684
That's what we're looking for.

00:45:32.684 --> 00:45:37.454
That water, that amount of momentum is accumulated over time.

00:45:38.023 --> 00:45:48.884
So you can think of, okay, I'm either gonna be a very much a one syllable golfer, which is like, uh, imagine like you're going from a fire hose, so it's a rush of water for a shorter amount of time.

00:45:49.693 --> 00:45:57.704
Or I'm gonna go like from my faucet, from my kitchen faucet for a longer period of time.

00:45:57.764 --> 00:45:58.903
That's my three syllable.

00:45:59.744 --> 00:46:00.074
Right?

00:46:00.074 --> 00:46:00.583
But it's.

00:46:01.364 --> 00:46:01.663
Right.

00:46:01.663 --> 00:46:03.373
How much, How

00:46:03.387 --> 00:46:03.807
Mm-hmm.

00:46:03.824 --> 00:46:06.434
is actually getting that bucket could be the same in either.

00:46:07.304 --> 00:46:11.083
And you can change them for either way that you're organizing that.

00:46:11.893 --> 00:46:15.614
it's just the difference in the amount of force you're putting into kind of that first syllable.

00:46:16.163 --> 00:46:16.583
Yeah.

00:46:16.583 --> 00:46:21.233
So I think that, going back to the misconception,'cause that's beautifully described, right?

00:46:21.233 --> 00:46:23.677
So if you, if you listen to that and have a little.

00:46:23.853 --> 00:46:26.552
To tough time visualizing, just rewind it and listen to it again.

00:46:26.583 --> 00:46:30.572
'cause it, it, it makes total sense and people use those terms.

00:46:30.572 --> 00:46:35.012
That could be another misconception, like tempo, rhythm, you know, it's all over the place.

00:46:35.012 --> 00:46:36.782
Speed, fast, quick, whatever.

00:46:37.472 --> 00:46:40.503
So here's the, here's the main misconception, right?

00:46:40.893 --> 00:46:47.373
People feel this mis patterning of their rhythm, you know, and then they, they define that as, I'm swinging too fast.

00:46:47.768 --> 00:46:48.097
Right.

00:46:48.518 --> 00:46:49.717
So then what do they do?

00:46:49.777 --> 00:47:00.938
So they may, in your syllable explanation, they, they might be like a, a one, two, half, you know, it's like a, it's, it's, or a 1, 2, 3, 1 is probably another way to say it, right?

00:47:00.938 --> 00:47:01.987
Like you were just describing.

00:47:02.407 --> 00:47:03.248
So what do they do?

00:47:03.248 --> 00:47:04.958
They slow the back swing down.

00:47:06.173 --> 00:47:06.594
Mm-hmm.

00:47:06.623 --> 00:47:07.282
that does?

00:47:07.492 --> 00:47:08.632
It makes it worse.

00:47:09.057 --> 00:47:09.509
Worse.

00:47:10.313 --> 00:47:12.233
It makes it worse.

00:47:12.293 --> 00:47:12.862
Okay.

00:47:13.432 --> 00:47:15.802
So I spend more time speeding.

00:47:15.802 --> 00:47:18.592
People's back swings up than I do slowing their back swings down.

00:47:18.862 --> 00:47:20.182
There is no question about that.

00:47:21.413 --> 00:47:27.773
It is very rare for someone to come in and for me to tell'em they gotta, we could explore slowing their backswing down.

00:47:27.773 --> 00:47:28.583
Almost never happens.

00:47:28.583 --> 00:47:30.112
Sometimes I'm putting but.

00:47:30.268 --> 00:47:35.278
Like, um, I, I can tell you the, uh, the research that was done on this by Dr.

00:47:35.278 --> 00:47:45.778
Bob Grober, he found that 90 ish percent of PGA tour pros were in, like, basically in from three syllables to one.

00:47:46.918 --> 00:47:50.489
So when you think about Virginia, Virginia, that's three syllables.

00:47:51.119 --> 00:48:03.208
There are so many golfers that come to my lesson T that aren't even close to three syllables, that are like four syllables, five syllables, six syllables in the back swing, and now they don't have any momentum.

00:48:03.358 --> 00:48:04.318
'cause it's really hard.

00:48:04.318 --> 00:48:05.849
Just think about sitting on a swing set.

00:48:05.849 --> 00:48:06.148
All right.

00:48:06.148 --> 00:48:07.708
I My favorite analogy.

00:48:08.143 --> 00:48:11.744
Is imagine you're on a swing set, right?

00:48:12.523 --> 00:48:18.974
giving that a good initial push, and then at some point you gotta get your hands off and let it swing freely.

00:48:19.934 --> 00:48:28.034
happens if you, if that initial push you're not, if you don't get enough force into that initial push, well, what happens is.

00:48:28.813 --> 00:48:30.043
You gotta go, right?

00:48:30.043 --> 00:48:33.434
You never actually get the opportunity to take your hands off the wheel, right?

00:48:33.434 --> 00:48:37.574
You keep your hands, you have to keep your hands on that child the whole way up.

00:48:37.603 --> 00:48:41.143
And then now it's not swinging at this point.

00:48:41.143 --> 00:48:43.454
You just gotta grab and pull this thing back down.

00:48:44.143 --> 00:48:49.273
that's what people feel when like, oh, I'm getting quick, I'm I my swings too fast.

00:48:49.423 --> 00:48:52.664
What they're feeling is no momentum.

00:48:52.873 --> 00:48:54.403
I'm just up in space.

00:48:54.403 --> 00:48:55.603
I've just changed orientations.

00:48:55.603 --> 00:48:57.583
The club is now just somewhere over there.

00:48:58.184 --> 00:49:01.003
When it was added out in front of me, now, I was just somewhere else in space.

00:49:01.184 --> 00:49:03.193
I have no energy built up in the system.

00:49:03.193 --> 00:49:03.494
Now.

00:49:03.494 --> 00:49:08.054
I've just gotta try to find it in a very, very, very short amount of time.

00:49:08.653 --> 00:49:19.579
Um, and by the way, that energy is usually directed to the ball and towards the target, is what we know in terms of the, the direction that force that we want to be applied.

00:49:20.847 --> 00:49:24.807
Uh, is actually, going in the other direction, right?

00:49:24.807 --> 00:49:31.407
We do not want to be pulling the grip toward the ball and toward the target, We actually want that force.

00:49:31.438 --> 00:49:36.028
When that club has momentum, it's kind of moving back toward the target.

00:49:36.028 --> 00:49:38.398
That force is going actually away from the target.

00:49:38.773 --> 00:49:43.543
And then it's the momentum of the club that swings into the ball and toward the target.

00:49:43.574 --> 00:49:47.173
It's not you forcing it ball or toward the target.

00:49:47.173 --> 00:49:48.103
So that's

00:49:48.188 --> 00:49:48.487
Yeah.

00:49:49.423 --> 00:49:49.963
Um,

00:49:50.197 --> 00:49:50.498
Yeah.

00:49:50.498 --> 00:49:51.398
But it makes that,

00:49:51.523 --> 00:49:51.793
to,

00:49:52.327 --> 00:49:53.887
I think it was a great illustration.

00:49:53.918 --> 00:49:54.398
I really do.

00:49:54.398 --> 00:49:56.677
And I think people will get that a hundred percent.

00:49:57.068 --> 00:50:03.123
And if you really wanna see the best, I think at this watch, Rory r Rory McElroy, Roy swing, like, um.

00:50:03.858 --> 00:50:04.148
yeah.

00:50:04.402 --> 00:50:08.722
Watch how much energy he puts into his initial takeaway.

00:50:09.083 --> 00:50:12.023
I mean, his backswing tempo is extremely fast.

00:50:12.023 --> 00:50:17.663
I mean, you don't see it because it's such a beautiful rhythm and Yeah, and it's a,

00:50:17.668 --> 00:50:18.028
Yeah.

00:50:18.172 --> 00:50:19.583
know, but it's a beautiful rhythm.

00:50:19.882 --> 00:50:24.443
But he has so much speed, right from the takeaway and, um.

00:50:24.943 --> 00:50:27.943
He captures that really well at the top,

00:50:28.289 --> 00:50:28.378
Mm-hmm.

00:50:28.992 --> 00:50:29.862
probably the best.

00:50:30.853 --> 00:50:32.293
I mean, it's just so cool.

00:50:32.322 --> 00:50:33.733
I mean, you have to be great at that.

00:50:33.733 --> 00:50:40.722
If you're gonna be 130 club speed at five feet, nine, I mean, that guy is so good, so powerful.

00:50:40.722 --> 00:50:46.572
And I think that was a great, so if you are someone that thinks you swing too fast, here's an actionable takeaway.

00:50:47.023 --> 00:50:49.032
Start saying some syllables in your swing.

00:50:49.182 --> 00:50:49.483
Right.

00:50:49.782 --> 00:50:54.282
What I have found with the help of Rob fails and some of the study that he's done with, um.

00:50:54.952 --> 00:51:09.052
You know, on this is that when you get the, when you get this right, your contact improves, like dramatically and to the point where I would say one of the largest drivers of good contact in the swing is actually rhythm.

00:51:09.262 --> 00:51:10.643
And we wouldn't think of it that way.

00:51:10.943 --> 00:51:17.572
A lot of times we think of it, oh, it's my left arm bending, or I'm moving on the ball, or I'm, you know, uh, uh, whatever it is, right?

00:51:17.572 --> 00:51:19.373
All this stuff, all the swing stuff, no.

00:51:19.469 --> 00:51:20.518
are you swinging freely?

00:51:20.909 --> 00:51:22.199
Is the club actually swinging?

00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:22.559
Right?

00:51:22.628 --> 00:51:23.737
Correct, correct.

00:51:23.737 --> 00:51:24.128
So.

00:51:24.298 --> 00:51:30.568
you can knock that domino over so many other dominoes from the skill standpoint start to kind of fall in line.

00:51:30.847 --> 00:51:37.898
And I know you and I are not big swing trainer people, but I, I do think the orange Whip does a very good job of feeling this for a lot of people.

00:51:37.898 --> 00:51:42.668
So that is something, if you have an orange whip, you can really train the rhythm of your swing for sure.

00:51:43.027 --> 00:51:49.103
Um, but speed, which I guess people referring to as two fast, it's like you were saying, it's just the club.

00:51:49.893 --> 00:51:59.108
What, what it's measured right before impact and, and you can get a lot of speed from one syllables and two syllables and three syllables and, you know, and that, that, you know,

00:51:59.188 --> 00:51:59.579
as far as

00:51:59.583 --> 00:52:02.463
again, John Rum is a one, he's a boom, boom.

00:52:02.492 --> 00:52:03.963
Nick Price was a one boom boom.

00:52:03.963 --> 00:52:06.032
Like, and they were, they smashed it.

00:52:06.213 --> 00:52:06.603
Right?

00:52:06.932 --> 00:52:10.652
Um, and then, then you got Freddie Couples who's long, one of the longest of all time.

00:52:10.652 --> 00:52:12.632
There's clearly a three, maybe even more than that.

00:52:12.813 --> 00:52:13.233
I don't know.

00:52:13.233 --> 00:52:18.273
I haven't really looked at Freddie, but I mean, it's, VJ Sync would be that way too.

00:52:19.259 --> 00:52:21.599
totally, like, I recommend just exploring it, right.

00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.449
I, I would not try to change the syllables.

00:52:24.838 --> 00:52:30.177
To try to change anything like ball flight wise, like that's not why you're doing it.

00:52:30.867 --> 00:52:40.108
You're doing it because, okay, a certain tempo, at a certain amount of, of time, certain syllable count, it feels freer to you.

00:52:40.827 --> 00:52:41.188
It feels

00:52:41.197 --> 00:52:41.347
mm-hmm.

00:52:41.427 --> 00:52:50.068
would want to do that for 18 holes or 36 holes, and you feel like you could do it more consistently without getting tired or without it changing much.

00:52:50.623 --> 00:52:50.923
Right.

00:52:50.923 --> 00:52:54.253
That's why you're doing it, because it doesn't really matter.

00:52:54.943 --> 00:52:57.733
ball doesn't know what syllable count you are.

00:52:58.423 --> 00:53:02.262
The ball knows where the bottom of the swing goes in space, the face, and the speed, right?

00:53:02.262 --> 00:53:04.452
You're gonna layer skill on top of that stuff.

00:53:04.628 --> 00:53:04.987
Yeah.

00:53:04.992 --> 00:53:13.213
the one that feels the freest to you, the one that feels the most, like you're getting the most bang for your buck, like for the, for what you're putting into it.

00:53:13.213 --> 00:53:14.773
You're getting the most out of it, essentially.

00:53:16.253 --> 00:53:16.762
Awesome.

00:53:17.393 --> 00:53:18.713
Awesome advice there, Rob.

00:53:19.012 --> 00:53:19.163
Swell.

00:53:19.163 --> 00:53:20.663
Anything else you wanted to add today?

00:53:20.753 --> 00:53:21.623
Anything interesting?

00:53:21.628 --> 00:53:25.768
No, I think, I think we Well, how's your, uh, how are your fantasy teams?

00:53:26.543 --> 00:53:27.202
Um.

00:53:27.983 --> 00:53:37.793
You know, Holden Steady, I've traded, I've no, not, no, I've traded all my picks in this year's draft, so I, I don't have anything to, to really look forward to.

00:53:37.972 --> 00:53:39.862
So I haven't really paid attention to the draft.

00:53:40.463 --> 00:53:41.302
Um,

00:53:41.429 --> 00:53:41.699
so

00:53:41.932 --> 00:53:43.402
which is, which is fine.

00:53:43.913 --> 00:53:44.902
It is tomorrow.

00:53:45.358 --> 00:53:45.827
Which, which

00:53:45.929 --> 00:53:47.188
for our dynasty players.

00:53:48.007 --> 00:53:48.387
it is.

00:53:48.652 --> 00:53:50.963
I do have an aim point thing to bring up though.

00:53:51.623 --> 00:53:56.603
Um, I was talking to my friend who plays.

00:53:57.052 --> 00:54:08.902
Uh, she's, she, she's playing senior LPGA events and, um, she's, I would say she's easily a top 15 senior female player in the world, um, based on her results.

00:54:08.932 --> 00:54:09.262
Right?

00:54:09.893 --> 00:54:13.943
And she learned AimPoint from Brian, your, your buddy last year, right.

00:54:13.943 --> 00:54:19.672
So this is, she was a great putter on the LPGA tour, like one of the best putters and never learn name point.

00:54:20.617 --> 00:54:22.177
And we're gonna have her on the pod for sure.

00:54:22.177 --> 00:54:24.068
I'm just gonna make her come on, she'll do it.

00:54:24.577 --> 00:54:26.797
Um, she's got really cool things to talk about.

00:54:26.797 --> 00:54:31.418
So anyway, when you're that good at golf, like you're fun to talk to, right?

00:54:31.418 --> 00:54:38.077
So she's prepping right now for some big tournaments and she's so good at aim, like her aim point is just.

00:54:38.543 --> 00:54:39.922
She works on it every day.

00:54:40.373 --> 00:54:41.512
It is so good.

00:54:41.813 --> 00:54:50.483
She worked with Mark Sweeney on it at least five times and could never understand it and just didn't get it because she read so well with her eyes at the time then.

00:54:51.083 --> 00:54:55.012
Then as her eyes had some issues, like she was all in.

00:54:55.373 --> 00:54:59.242
So what she told me was, she goes, it is.

00:54:59.242 --> 00:55:03.353
So she goes, I spend half the time reading greens that I used to,

00:55:04.289 --> 00:55:04.579
Yeah.

00:55:04.583 --> 00:55:05.753
and she said, it's so much faster.

00:55:05.753 --> 00:55:06.532
It's not even funny.

00:55:07.463 --> 00:55:16.103
You know when Aim Point gets all this bad rap, like we all watch Justin Rose at the Masters, take like four minutes to hit a putt right in the playoffs.

00:55:16.103 --> 00:55:16.853
Like it was

00:55:16.978 --> 00:55:17.248
Yeah,

00:55:17.543 --> 00:55:18.112
hard to watch.

00:55:18.382 --> 00:55:19.612
That was not aim point.

00:55:19.972 --> 00:55:25.432
I mean, he did some aim point, but he read it with his eyes and he, you know, and then he missed by the way.

00:55:25.972 --> 00:55:34.253
And so I just wanted to put it out there like they never showed Ludwig Oberg much, but you, there was some like highlight Resy.

00:55:34.438 --> 00:55:34.500
the best.

00:55:35.108 --> 00:55:37.657
He is so fast, it's probably 15 seconds.

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He reads a putt and he hits it.

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doing aim point, he's

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He's doing the writing

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aim point.

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correct.

00:55:43.208 --> 00:55:51.817
So if you wanna know what Aim point is, watch Ludwig Oberg because he does it exactly right every time, step by step.

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Perfect.

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And he reads a, he reads a green and puts, I mean, it's within 20 seconds, I would say.

00:55:57.277 --> 00:55:58.507
It is so fast.

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is glorious.

00:55:59.737 --> 00:56:01.148
It is so fun to watch.

00:56:02.077 --> 00:56:03.458
And that's the way I've been putting.

00:56:03.884 --> 00:56:03.974
Mm-hmm.

00:56:04.268 --> 00:56:06.577
he's, he's moving up my board fast.

00:56:06.577 --> 00:56:09.458
I mean, that guy's just, he's a cyborg man.

00:56:09.458 --> 00:56:12.697
Like, he's so cool and he just, he's meant for golf.

00:56:13.117 --> 00:56:19.418
But I was asking her how many women she thought like that play in the senior US open stuff, you know?

00:56:19.447 --> 00:56:21.998
'cause she's playing against Annika and Julia concert's, like that group.

00:56:21.998 --> 00:56:22.327
Right.

00:56:22.927 --> 00:56:28.117
Um, she said there's probably five total that she could figure that are doing it.

00:56:28.688 --> 00:56:29.617
Isn't that interesting?

00:56:30.007 --> 00:56:31.027
I think it's just like.

00:56:32.173 --> 00:56:33.132
yeah, they just.

00:56:34.259 --> 00:56:34.498
Yeah.

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But she's so in, it's so cool to talk to her about it.

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'cause she's like,

00:56:39.358 --> 00:56:39.568
Yeah,

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and she could punt.

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So what?

00:56:40.927 --> 00:56:43.838
You watch her read green and it's like really, really cool.

00:56:44.228 --> 00:56:45.728
So anyway, I just thought I'd bring that up.

00:56:45.728 --> 00:56:50.588
Like I had someone today and I just love aim points, so I'm just bringing it up again.

00:56:50.677 --> 00:57:01.447
Um, a new golfer that was learning it and they're just like first putting lesson and the fact that he could have an idea of what the putt was supposed to do.

00:57:02.137 --> 00:57:06.728
And then judge himself off of it just made it so much fun for him and he got better so fast.

00:57:06.728 --> 00:57:07.418
It was crazy.

00:57:07.648 --> 00:57:08.159
Yep,

00:57:08.197 --> 00:57:14.137
like, I've tried to practice putting multiple times in the last year and a half, and he spent a, he said, I spent like five or 10 minutes.

00:57:14.137 --> 00:57:15.668
I don't know what I'm doing, so I just leave.

00:57:16.447 --> 00:57:16.717
Right.

00:57:16.717 --> 00:57:18.367
He never had any way to.

00:57:19.057 --> 00:57:20.047
And he had drills to do.

00:57:20.047 --> 00:57:24.398
I mean, I've given him drills stuff like, but you know, like, but he would do it and he'd say, I just hid it.

00:57:24.398 --> 00:57:25.987
It was like I was hitting it into the ocean.

00:57:25.987 --> 00:57:27.188
I had no idea what I was doing.

00:57:27.878 --> 00:57:32.827
And so all of a sudden, once you can read and then have yourself to judge yourself off too, it was really, really cool.

00:57:32.827 --> 00:57:34.838
So anyway, I just thought I'd add that into the end.

00:57:34.838 --> 00:57:37.538
It's just one of those topics you and I talk about a lot and um,

00:57:37.782 --> 00:57:38.143
Yeah,

00:57:38.288 --> 00:57:39.518
a huge proponent of it.

00:57:40.574 --> 00:57:43.722
I don't know how to teach putting or green reading without it.

00:57:44.353 --> 00:57:44.833
Honestly.

00:57:45.818 --> 00:57:47.047
And the whole push to like

00:57:47.173 --> 00:57:50.114
Hey, hey Rob, like, can you teach me how to read greens?

00:57:50.114 --> 00:57:51.344
And I'm not gonna do any point.

00:57:51.344 --> 00:57:51.943
I'm gonna be like, uh.

00:57:54.367 --> 00:57:56.347
the old dump, the water cup on the green.

00:57:56.668 --> 00:57:56.969
I

00:57:57.128 --> 00:57:57.608
take a,

00:57:58.469 --> 00:58:01.139
I'm, I don't think I'm gonna, I just might not do it.

00:58:01.378 --> 00:58:02.219
I'll just be like, sorry,

00:58:03.427 --> 00:58:07.898
I don't, I don't know what I would say because it feels so disingenuous at this point.

00:58:08.557 --> 00:58:08.708
You know?

00:58:08.818 --> 00:58:09.568
yeah, exactly.

00:58:09.568 --> 00:58:09.778
Yeah.

00:58:09.778 --> 00:58:10.079
Agreed.

00:58:11.242 --> 00:58:13.913
So anyway, that is our show for today.

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We thank you for tuning in.

00:58:15.112 --> 00:58:15.713
Rob fails.

00:58:15.713 --> 00:58:17.422
Thank you as always for joining me.

00:58:17.842 --> 00:58:18.952
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00:58:18.952 --> 00:58:20.032
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00:58:20.242 --> 00:58:23.483
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00:58:23.483 --> 00:58:24.922
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00:58:25.103 --> 00:58:29.572
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00:58:29.932 --> 00:58:31.132
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00:58:31.163 --> 00:58:34.702
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00:58:39.443 --> 00:58:40.943
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00:58:41.213 --> 00:58:41.813
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00:58:43.193 --> 00:58:49.373
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00:58:49.432 --> 00:58:50.932
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00:58:51.112 --> 00:58:52.432
We hope you have a great week.

00:58:52.492 --> 00:58:54.472
We hope your golf season's off to a great start.

00:58:54.742 --> 00:58:56.273
Anything else you'd like to add here, Ron

00:58:57.378 --> 00:59:00.043
Oh, enjoy the, uh, the better weather.

00:59:00.043 --> 00:59:00.523
Everyone.

00:59:01.373 --> 00:59:04.463
and NFL draft tomorrow, we'll get an update on the next episode.

00:59:04.663 --> 00:59:05.563
Where's Genty going?

00:59:06.697 --> 00:59:07.208
Hi.

00:59:07.717 --> 00:59:08.137
Hi.

00:59:08.137 --> 00:59:08.588
He's going.

00:59:08.588 --> 00:59:09.038
Hi.

00:59:09.132 --> 00:59:09.673
Top 10.

00:59:09.943 --> 00:59:10.693
You think he's going top 10?

00:59:11.708 --> 00:59:12.458
I would take him.

00:59:14.168 --> 00:59:14.768
He's that good.

00:59:15.338 --> 00:59:15.757
We'll see.

00:59:15.913 --> 00:59:17.952
the Bears are gonna, I think the bears are gonna trade up and get'em.

00:59:18.614 --> 00:59:19.094
my, that's

00:59:19.208 --> 00:59:20.228
Wow.

00:59:20.318 --> 00:59:20.918
What a prediction.

00:59:21.074 --> 00:59:24.614
They're gonna get'em, they're gonna get'em at like six or six, five or six maybe.

00:59:26.132 --> 00:59:28.297
I guess we'll see generational talent.

00:59:28.447 --> 00:59:28.838
Alright.

00:59:28.838 --> 00:59:29.617
Thank you all

00:59:29.623 --> 00:59:29.833
right.

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next time on the golf intervention.

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Take care.

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Cheers.