July 19, 2025

EP 46: A Revolutionary Method for Targeting Your Shot Pattern and Defining Your Next Step for In-Season Improvemnt

EP 46: A Revolutionary Method for Targeting Your Shot Pattern and Defining Your Next Step for In-Season Improvemnt

Send us a text In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we dive deep into how to know where you currently stand in your golf journey—and how that knowledge shapes your path to improvement. Whether you're a high handicapper or a competitive player, understanding your current skill level helps you filter out the noise and focus only on what truly matters for your game. Next, we reveal a game-changing finger technique to visualize and aim your shot dispersion pattern. This simple but powerful m...

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In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we dive deep into how to know where you currently stand in your golf journey—and how that knowledge shapes your path to improvement. Whether you're a high handicapper or a competitive player, understanding your current skill level helps you filter out the noise and focus only on what truly matters for your game.

Next, we reveal a game-changing finger technique to visualize and aim your shot dispersion pattern. This simple but powerful method can help you build a more confident, consistent strategy for every shot—and eliminate costly errors on the course.

Finally, we share real stories and insights from our own lessons, offering relatable experiences and breakthroughs you can apply to your own golf practice and play.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

✅ How to assess your current stage in the game and what to work on next
 ✅ A revolutionary finger-based method for targeting your shot pattern
 ✅ Real lesson takeaways from players just like you
 ✅ Why understanding your miss pattern leads to lower scores
 ✅ What most players focus on too soon—and how to avoid that trap

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And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast.

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On today's episode, we're gonna discuss where you stand with your game currently.

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to know what to work on.

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And what you should do now that it's in the middle of the season where you put your energy and you know, coach Rufas.

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I was thinking about that because I've had a bunch of lessons actually today, which is kind of strange for me, where it was actually first time students back to back, to back,

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Oh, nice.

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Yeah.

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That's fun.

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I just got my 19 year pin at the Country Club of Virginia.

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So I've been

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Nice.

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Although it's a big membership.

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Um, we're not like one of these memberships that's, uh.

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people are moving around a lot, joining,

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Yeah.

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joining, leaving.

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It doesn't happen at the country club.

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This is like a, a legacy membership type place.

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But, so it's kind of strange when I get a bunch of lessons in a row where I've never taught somebody before

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Yeah.

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here in 19 years.

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And so that just happened to happen today.

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And so kind of like through this lens, I was like seeing and having these conversations about.

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Hey, let's talk about who you are as a player.

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Tell me what to, you know, as I'm on this journey, as they're trying to, trying to hop on their train, so to speak.

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Like you're

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Yeah.

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journey.

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You might not know where the train's going, but I'm supposed to be the conductor and I'm jumping on the, I'm jumping on a

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Nice.

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with you.

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That's kind of like what it is.

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That's pretty much, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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That's a great analogy.

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oh, hey, tell me, like, I always say this.

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I'm like, Hey.

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What's the scoop?

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You know, like, just tell me, tell me what's the deal?

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You know, what, why are you here?

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What are we doing?

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um, and so I had these different types of situations and I think today on the show, I want to kind of go through and I know you and I both wanna go through this, is like I.

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Yeah.

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How do we know where that moving train is

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Mm-hmm.

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what, what city am I in on my golf journey?

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Yeah.

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like what's relevant to me getting to the next stop on the on the route?

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can the conductor help you get there and what makes that process smoother?

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Being that we're traveling at a certain time of season here, and so it was really interesting today.

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Because I had a whole mix of different things.

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I had one guy that like literally plays kind of recently retired.

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He goes to Florida and he's here and he just plays constantly, right?

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Like all year round all the time.

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was struggling with a few things.

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15 handicap.

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Then I had like a really good athlete, younger guy, back problems, big time from golf.

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Hmm.

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why he's been doing pt.

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He took lessons from other golf pros.

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I had never met him before.

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And nobody, not the other golf pros, not the PTs, not the doctors.

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No one discussed his golf swing with him and what could

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Hmm.

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the back pain.

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Okay?

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So that was another one.

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and then there was another one where Avid golfer member of incredibly good clubs has played good golf in his life and self-admittedly.

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Got trapped in the YouTube rabbit hole and feels like his brain is so screwed up.

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He literally can't stand over the ball and hit the shot anymore.

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So

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Mm-hmm.

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are some of the things that I was seeing today, and I'm like, and then another one was a college student.

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Super nice.

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Was a wrestler in high school, so didn't do sports that, you know, he hit balls with sticks and he just trying to like, loves the game.

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Super fun kid.

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And um, yeah, had a good swing, had no skill.

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And

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Mm-hmm.

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we kinda like had to learn that.

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So we worked on, I kind of had to explain that to'em.

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Yeah,

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so all these folks were on different places on the journey, so to speak,

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for sure.

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they were either struggling.

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Maybe didn't struggle, didn't know what they needed to work on, and that's what the coach comes in and tries to help.

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But what we try to do on this show and we're gonna do today is try to provide you that context so you on your own, can figure out where you are on that journey.

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Is

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Yep.

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Rob?

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A hundred percent.

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Yep.

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We just, uh, we just posted a, uh, a little, what, what I'm calling like the, the TGI blueprint, right to our substack.

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And I think, um, if you want to, uh, spot us a cup of coffee every month, I.

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Then you can have access to that, right?

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So what it does is it kind of breaks down, um, score, strategy, skill and swing.

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Uh, like we've talked about ad nauseum on the podcast, but it gives you some very, very simple data points.

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Like literally, uh, just keep track of your score and your total puts, right?

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And that can get you at least in the ballpark and kind of figuring out, Hey, do I need to work on my shots to green or do I need to work on my putting?

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Um, and then depending on, we can obviously peel the onion away of from that.

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Um, but then within that you have your strategy, which has a combination of your dispersion, your decision tree, as well as kind of your shot process.

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Uh, it breaks down the three skills and how you can train them, uh, and then a couple little tidbits on swing, kind of what needs to be consistent there.

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So, uh, we can definitely talk about that today and kind of.

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How to navigate that.

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I think that could be a good use of time, uh, especially, especially for our subscribers, I think, uh, would be nice.

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But it's really what we do on every lesson.

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It's like, alright, are you level one, two, or three?

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Right?

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Where are you at?

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Shots to green versus total puts?

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And then how much of it is skill versus how much of it is swing, um, versus how much of it is strategy, right?

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Yeah, so Robbie's reference in the Substack, which we haven't brought up in a while, um.

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But we really do appreciate the folks that subscribe to the Substack.

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We have a free kind of version, and then we have the paid version, which,

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Yep.

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it's not a, a, a super huge investment, but we do appreciate that because it does cover the cost that we have for this

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Yes.

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which you'd be surprised.

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Um, we

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Oh yeah,

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for the love of the game in a lot of ways.

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That's

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we do.

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Yes.

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has been to help.

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People understand the process of playing better.

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Um,

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Yep.

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we don't push the Substack a ton.

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But we do really appreciate the folks that subscribe and if you would like to subscribe, there is some really good stuff on there.

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And I think in the, in the coming weeks and months, we're definitely gonna embellish that even more.

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Um,

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For sure.

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Robbie, like he and I were just discussing, I've had life happening a lot recently.

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It's kind of held us.

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Back a little bit, I would say.

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And we, we have an episode that recorded a little bit funny, that hasn't gone out.

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I haven't figured out how to clean it up yet.

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So hopefully that episode will come out too.

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So we'll start putting some of the on the main feed here.

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So

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Yes,

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like we haven't been out in a while.

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So life is lifeing, as they say, but I

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yes.

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get back into the groove here.

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And, um, and so if you want to check out the substack, it's the golf intervention.substack.com.

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You can check that, check out the link in the show notes, and that'll take you right there.

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And we appreciate each and every person that subscribes, whether it's the free or the paid version, but that does kind of keep us, keeps the, uh, lights on, as they say

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Yep.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So, thank you.

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Thank you.

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And.

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You know, I think that we could go through this, it kind of like the, I like the moving train analogy that we were just talking about.

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So, um, when, when a student comes in, I, I've gotta figure out where, where they are on this journey.

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I've gotta help them with that.

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And with the new student after new student, after new student today, it was like the same kind of conversation happening over and over again.

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And I will say today was 111 on the heat index in Richmond, Virginia.

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Did you have a, did you have a day like that in

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It was a hundred here.

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Yeah,

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it was outrageous.

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Probably the hottest day I could ever remember.

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it was insane.

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actually, I don't wanna say luckily, but, I took my wife to physical therapy this morning.

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She had some surgery.

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I.

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Last week, um, I wouldn't say major, but kind of like medium size surgery

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Mm-hmm.

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has to get some PT on.

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So I had to take her today.

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She's not allowed to drive yet, so I only taught from 12 to six, but, most of my days are seven 30 to six with maybe a half an hour break.

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So 110 on the heat index would've been crazy, brother.

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um, that's what gonna be my day tomorrow, so wish me luck.

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So anyhow,

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have big, y'all have big fans in there, right?

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Or do you have, is it AC or do y'all have like actual fans?

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that's the hard part

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Oh, they blow under the suit.

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Yeah.

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And so I gotta be smart about just getting something to blow on me.

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Like I have a little one at

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Yeah.

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which is fine.

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Yeah.

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Um, but I'm usually not at the desk, so I just kind of

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Right.

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I had a, I was fine today.

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It was all good.

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So anyway, like as people are coming in.

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We're trying to hop on that.

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We're trying to hop on that train out where they are.

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If it's a reoccurring student, we have a good sense of where they are.

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for sure.

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in that first lesson, and what you should do as a listener is try to think

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I.

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you stand on that right now.

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And so we go through this kind of.

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Uh, on the golf intervention, we sit, we kind of put you into three groups of players.

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Level one player, which is kind of like beginner golfer, you know, someone that's not keeping score yet, all the way to maybe like bogey, golfer, 20 ish handicap kind of

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Yep.

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in the, in the nineties kind of score.

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Yes.

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and then level two is like where we turn this corner.

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And we start seeing some different things in our game.

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And that takes us all the way down to like, kind of like scoring 76, like scratch golfer ish.

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And then that turns a corner in the data set as well for scratch or better.

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And then tour players live on their own island.

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We don't even really count

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Yes.

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like level

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They're, they're level four.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They're just not human as we say.

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So we call it we, these things matter.

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And I think putting the context around who you are as a player.

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Is what helps us learn and grow.

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'cause we gotta know where we need to start, We just need to know when I'm jumping on, when I'm jumping on that train with them, I gotta know where we are, where are we right now?

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And so.

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Rob, what are the things that you kind of, what can the, what can the listener learn from how we assess the student, um, to kind of say like, okay, like, here's my scoring.

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That's fine, but what does that tell me?

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What does that tell me about who I am and what I'm kind of currently dealing with in my game?

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Because.

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One of the guys today, like I was telling you, he plays all year round and he's like getting better.

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He was a 25 a couple years ago, handicap, now he's down to like a 15 and he's telling me these things and I'm like, no, no, no.

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Like I know exactly what you need to work on and here's why.

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And he's like, you know, kind of like.

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I would say he's kind of a type A, but he's like very excited.

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He's excited to learn and grab.

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I'm like, listen, we already know what you need to work on.

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And he's like, really?

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I said, let me ask you these questions about your game.

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And as soon as I started describing his game, he is like, how did you know that?

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I'm like, it's in the

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Yeah.

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It's in the

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Yeah.

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So you just fit, you fit in the bell curve.

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That's why.

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Okay.

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So what are you, what can the listener learn about that sort of data set?

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Where I stand?

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they can say, okay, here's where I am and these are the things.

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This is kind of generally what I know I need to do in the moment.

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Not big, not every little detail.

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'cause we're not going through that today.

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If you want to know

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Yeah.

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you could go back to our early episodes.

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What I'm saying is like from the scores and then putting into the context of we're in the season right now too.

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Yes.

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Yeah,

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little chart maybe that you made, help us understand like where I am and what I need to.

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What I need to work on in the moment.

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I guess if they're there for

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for,

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decide they need to work on

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for sure.

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Yeah.

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And I, I think the, the first thing that we would like to.

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To discuss with golfers is that we make decisions based off of trends or like a, not just a, a one-off occurrence.

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Right?

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So I think the biggest error golfers make is they play around in golf, they don't really track much, uh, but they remember maybe like three putting the last hole or something like that.

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And they say, gosh, you know, if, if I could only get better at putting Right.

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Where it's like, hold on a second, like.

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Do you know how many putts for your level you need to be per round and over the last three to four or five?

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I, I mean, Brian Bailey says eight rounds.

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I, I'd say kind of five-ish, four to six-ish, somewhere in that range.

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If you can get about that many, of just knowing, okay, what was my total score?

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What was my total putts, right?

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Am I in the ballpark?

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Right?

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Because if your total putts are in the ballpark and you're not.

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To that level, you need to get the ball from the D box to the green faster.

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Right?

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And it's not, again, not just one round, but over the course of, you know, four to six rounds, understanding that data.

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Right.

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If your shots to greener in the ballpark and you're just a little bit off, a lot of times improvements in putting can come quicker.

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So again, if you're just like only maybe two shots off of your scoring of where you're of your kind of like your next level and your shots to greener in the ballpark, but you're always like two to three putts higher.

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Let's work on some putting stuff.

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I think a lot of times understanding green reading, understanding how that relates to.

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Distance predictability, how that relates to your overall process?

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I think putting improvements can happen much, much quicker and easier than even short game improvements.

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I mean, short game I think it can be, can happen pretty quickly, but, um, that's even oftentimes, uh, quicker than say, like full swing improvements.

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And that's the, that's the trick.

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It's understanding that for many golfers, like where is your.

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Lowest hanging fruit.

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Right.

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What's the, what's the greatest amount?

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What's, what's the biggest difference in between where you're at and where you need to be?

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Either from shots to green or from total puts?

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But then it's like, okay, well what, what's gonna gimme the highest likelihood of actually gaining those strokes?

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Right?

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And that's why, you know, the data says for most level one and two golfers, it's gonna be shots to green usually, but like maybe some putting in some short game stuff for an individual golfer who doesn't have a bunch of time.

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And these are the questions that we ask, like, how much time do you have?

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What can you actually do?

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Like there's so much that goes into it.

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Like for some golfers, yeah, like their shots to green aren't where they need to be, but just to get them a couple shots better based off the fact that they have like zero time to practice.

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I might just work on the short game or might work on their putting.

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'cause I know like, hey, they can actually do this and I can get some momentum going in the right direction.

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They see some scores coming down and now it's like a.

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I got'em.

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Now they're hooked.

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Like now they're like, okay, like let's, let's go, let's do this.

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And then maybe afterwards we can get into some of the, the tee shots and the approach shot stuff.

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Um, if I have somebody who's like, yeah, I got a bunch of time.

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I'm super dedicated and my shots of green is nowhere even close to where I want, then you better believe like we're, we're taking a look at some, some swing foundations, like things that need to be pretty consistent, which is the way we hold it, the way we stand, the general pattern.

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All right.

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And the rhythm of how we're swinging the golf club, we're taking a look and kind of checking those boxes.

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Um, but if like, a lot of that stuff is pretty consistent and we're, especially in season, a lot of times we're just doing some little bit of skill stuff asking, Hey, how did that feel different?

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And then just rolling with some temporary feels, right?

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Because again, we're in season where it's not like we're gonna be making any sort of wholesale changes to geometry swing wise especially.

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Um, I'm a big fan of always like tweaking.

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Energy and time, right?

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So the, the rhythm stuff, if that's off, you always have permission, in my opinion to, to clean that stuff up.

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'cause that goes into like the general freedom in which you're swinging the club like that, that we want to always kind of be consistent with.

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But like, if the club's in a certain position midway season, right?

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We call that geometry.

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Like if you looked at just the shape of the swing or a position of the golf club, that's a lot harder to change.

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It's way, way more beneficial I think in season.

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To just make little skill tweaks.

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Right.

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And that is, I think, Eric, you sent me a video from Lee Trevino, didn't you?

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And that's what Lee was talking about, is like, you have to have, and I think what he was talking about was skill training there.

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Like, you have to have the, the feel tweaks, right?

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You have to be able to know how to do that without taking up, you know, swing thoughts in your brain without trying to do a bunch more stuff.

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I, I said do in quotation marks, right.

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Right.

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We're not trying to add things to what you're doing.

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A lot of times in season we're, if anything, trying to strip stuff away and then just give you some feel, toolbox feels in your toolbox to be able to use, um, if you notice, uh, a trend one way than another.

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So that was, that felt like a long ramble, but hopefully I kind of got to the, the gist of your question there.

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Well, the, the point was, um, well

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Yeah.

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What was the point?

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You tell me?

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The po the point, well, the point

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Yeah.

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well noted there, Rafael, which is, we were just saying like, generally if people know where they stand, they're gonna

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Mm-hmm.

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up less.

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Okay.

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And this is, this was one of the lessons today, again, good competent golfer.

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Remember at Great Clubs comes in, tells me about a horrible golf experience he just had.

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I'm sitting there, I'm like, I've seen him hit balls.

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I know him.

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I say hi to him.

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I, I mean.

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I don't think I've ever given him a lesson before, but, so he hits balls for a while and he's telling me about how little he is enjoying golf right now.

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Like, that's what he's telling me.

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Like he's, he's a member at one of the top, literally top golf courses, the top five golf courses in the world.

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Okay.

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obviously at CCV as well.

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And he is like, just came back from a, from a trip that he played a PGA tour venue, which is very well known and very.

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Good.

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he played terrible and he was saying, I really don't like golf right now.

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I really don't like to play it.

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And I'm like, wow, Like, I'm just taking it all in.

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I just, I didn't know, you know, I'm just kind of listening to him.

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And so he hits a couple.

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I said, let's do this.

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Let's just like, he's like, I got, I got, I just, I'm trying to do too much.

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I'm trying to do this.

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I'm trying to, I'm like, okay.

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I said, why don't we just hit some seven irons and just hit the ball?

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Like, let's just hit some and let me just see what's going.

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Let me just watch you swing.

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You know, to watch things like rhythm, right?

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Or.

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You know, whatever.

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Just, just watch how he goes through his process.

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So I'm just taking in the big picture.

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just aim it straight out there and just swing hit like 10 seminars.

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And after he hit about five, he just turns around and goes, alright, I gotta be honest about something.

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I'm like, what's that?

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He goes, I watch way too many YouTube videos on the swing.

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I was like, oh no.

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And so I said, I just kinda started chuckling.

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I didn't really think he was gonna go there.

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I wasn't expecting that.

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And, um, and so he's like, I stand over the ball.

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I think I should be doing this.

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I think I should be doing that.

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I, and I didn't, I didn't get into any of that.

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I did, I just sort of.

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It was what it was.

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What I said was, let's just let go of all of it.

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That's what I said.

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Like he's like, okay.

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I'm like, just let go of all of it.

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How doesn't that feel good?

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Like just forget.

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Just forget it.

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But I listened to these well-known teachers and stuff.

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I'm said, they're great.

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are great.

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They don't know what you need to work on.

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And the fact of the matter was after we kind of just got swinging, I kind of saw what he was struggling with Right.

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A little bit with his actual swing.

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And the fact of the matter was he was so unaware of it.

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That there's no chance he would've ever found the answer for it on YouTube.

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Right?

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'cause he didn't know what he would, he didn't know the the problem.

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So the point that I'm trying to make here, and I think that Robbie's trying to make here, is there's moments to that when things aren't going well, that maybe you look for him, maybe things are going well.

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Then we start looking for like, what's the next better thing to work on?

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Well, if it's data driven, like Robbie says, Hey, I'm two puts around away from being a better player.

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Maybe I need to work on putting.

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Okay, great.

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So at least you know where you stand on the journey.

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And that's what we, that's what we want you to do.

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We want you to be able to say, I know who I am as a player.

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I know what I need to work on.

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And I will tell you, I currently work with a tour player who knows exactly where she is all the time and what she needs to work on to make her score good.

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And she's that level four player.

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But the point is like she's very aware, always aware.

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Sometimes it's just in the equipment, sometimes it's in things like.

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Making sure her green reading's really good.

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Like sometimes it's just in the process of like how far her ball's carrying in a certain like, but she knows exactly what she's working on all the time.

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'cause she knows exactly what she needs out of her game to play the ways that she wants to.

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But I think that the average golfer really struggles to figure that out.

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Right, like really struggles today.

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Like

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I agree.

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I am I on the journey, and right now we're in the middle of the golf season.

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So if you're someone who's an avid golfer and you love playing golf, what you don't need to first work on, probably, especially without the guidance of a coach, is your golf swing,

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Geometry?

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Yeah.

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The, what

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totally.

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right?

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Which I refer to my students as just quote unquote the swing.

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Right?

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Yeah,

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what you probably need to do is, I love the little, I love that Lee Trevino thing that I sent you because he, he didn't say skill, he called it tweaks, which I

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he was totally talking about skill though.

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He was totally talking about skill.

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Wonder if I could figure out a way to play it.

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That'd be kind of fun if I could do that.

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'cause it'd be so cool to listen to it.

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Mm-hmm.

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Tell people I said, you know.

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You are what you are.

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When you get a golf swing, you own it.

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The only reason that that guy's playing professional and your swing is just like his, you can't make it.

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But he can is he knows how to tweak.

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You don't know how to tweak.

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You are trying to hit shots and make these shots with the same grip, with the same stance, with the same ball position, you know, with the same weight distribution.

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Can't do that.

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You have to learn that when the pins on the right, depends on the left.

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Pin is deep.

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Pin is front.

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You have gotta make some adjustments.

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The adjustments might be in the grip and the weight distribution position of the ball swing doesn't change.

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Swing, don't change.

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So how cool is that?

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Yeah.

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Like, I feel like he went through the entire thing.

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We tried to tell, people just said it a little bit different way,

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No, but I think, I think when he is talking about tweaks, I think that's when he says that you don't know how to tweak, skill doesn't, oh, sorry, swing doesn't change.

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I think that's very much confirmation bias, obviously.

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So.

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But the, the point is, um, I think the way he framed, like, Hey, I could tell that's Max hoa, or I could tell that's John

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Mm-hmm.

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I could

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Mm-hmm.

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He's making the right point there.

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That's your, that's your geometry discussion.

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Right?

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Totally.

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see that is, that is Rob Fa swing.

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That is Eric Layton swing.

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That is John Rom swing.

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Like that's Lee Trevino swing.

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There's a blueprint to that right now.

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I had a kid today who.

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His swing was totally good.

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He had no skill, none, couldn't hit the ball in the face, couldn't control the club face.

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Why?

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'cause he's, he's new to golf,

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No.

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So,

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absolutely.

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so he walks in and he goes, yeah, I need a lesson.

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You know, I know you help my dad.

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And he's such, such a good kid.

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He's so much fun to work with.

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Really open, open-minded, like real energetic, and.

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He needed to know where he was on the journey, which was, guess what, bro, you can swing check this out.

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I, I would just show him the video.

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I'm like, watch this.

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You like that turn.

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Oh, it was cool.

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You followed through you on balance.

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Yep.

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How about that?

00:23:52.627 --> 00:23:53.587
It's pretty awesome, right?

00:23:54.607 --> 00:23:56.048
do, why can't I hit the ball?

00:23:56.228 --> 00:23:58.387
Well,'cause you don't, you don't, you haven't learned it yet.

00:23:58.387 --> 00:24:00.367
You haven't acquired the skill yet.

00:24:00.788 --> 00:24:03.097
The squi skill is acquired through practice.

00:24:03.097 --> 00:24:03.847
Nobody practiced

00:24:03.900 --> 00:24:04.500
Yes.

00:24:04.807 --> 00:24:06.847
That's what he, he dug it out of the dirt, right?

00:24:07.147 --> 00:24:10.208
Like the point is, so what did we work on?

00:24:10.567 --> 00:24:12.518
He, he was shanking everything essentially.

00:24:12.518 --> 00:24:13.988
Heel or shank it, or he hit it.

00:24:13.988 --> 00:24:15.877
Okay, what do we work on?

00:24:16.718 --> 00:24:18.698
Golf intervention listeners know what we worked on.

00:24:18.817 --> 00:24:21.218
We worked on the skill of hitting the ball on the club face.

00:24:21.518 --> 00:24:23.978
Like I said, Hey, I want you to hit in the middle of the club face.

00:24:24.188 --> 00:24:25.778
He's like, oh, okay, cool.

00:24:25.958 --> 00:24:28.837
I didn't know, I was not hitting it on the, you know, I didn't know what I was doing.

00:24:29.288 --> 00:24:30.548
I'm like, yeah, you've played golf

00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:31.019
Nice.

00:24:31.147 --> 00:24:31.597
in your life.

00:24:31.597 --> 00:24:32.317
How would you know?

00:24:32.377 --> 00:24:32.768
Right?

00:24:32.789 --> 00:24:33.420
That's awesome.

00:24:33.518 --> 00:24:35.048
we track man's showing him.

00:24:35.048 --> 00:24:37.837
I put impact tape on his club, gave him a whole bunch of it.

00:24:38.258 --> 00:24:39.577
I said, your swing is fine.

00:24:39.788 --> 00:24:41.167
You're hitting it off the heel.

00:24:41.347 --> 00:24:44.617
I said, maybe try to hit it off the toe and see what happens.

00:24:44.873 --> 00:24:45.982
Well, how would I do that, Eric?

00:24:46.012 --> 00:24:46.222
Right.

00:24:46.222 --> 00:24:48.083
So he opened up the conversation, right?

00:24:48.383 --> 00:24:48.982
And guess what?

00:24:48.982 --> 00:24:50.272
He got way better at golf.

00:24:50.272 --> 00:24:53.093
Like he was fired up at the end of the thing.

00:24:53.093 --> 00:24:53.423
Now

00:24:53.894 --> 00:24:54.164
Yep,

00:24:54.173 --> 00:24:55.042
the ball solidly.

00:24:55.103 --> 00:24:56.782
Still couldn't control the face angle.

00:24:56.782 --> 00:24:57.623
That's step two.

00:24:57.712 --> 00:24:58.373
That's what we talk

00:24:58.440 --> 00:24:59.019
that's right.

00:24:59.363 --> 00:24:59.573
right?

00:24:59.573 --> 00:24:59.633
I.

00:25:00.667 --> 00:25:03.067
Skill number two is gonna be the face path relationship.

00:25:03.337 --> 00:25:05.258
So now he could hit it on the face, but he couldn't.

00:25:05.258 --> 00:25:07.178
He had no idea where the face was gonna be pointed.

00:25:07.478 --> 00:25:11.077
So I told him,'cause he knew that's what he needs to work on.

00:25:11.137 --> 00:25:12.337
I gave him a way to work on it.

00:25:12.577 --> 00:25:15.488
He's gonna come back in a couple weeks, we're gonna see where he is.

00:25:15.518 --> 00:25:16.478
We're gonna keep working on it.

00:25:16.538 --> 00:25:16.897
Right.

00:25:17.288 --> 00:25:17.827
And.

00:25:19.012 --> 00:25:20.512
He didn't need to work on a swing.

00:25:20.722 --> 00:25:25.373
Now the other guy that came in and told me, I've herniated a disc playing golf.

00:25:25.823 --> 00:25:31.522
I could play right now, but I've taken two big times off with physical therapy and all this stuff in between.

00:25:31.702 --> 00:25:34.133
And I said, well, what about your swing?

00:25:34.133 --> 00:25:37.702
Have you, have you worked on like figuring out why it's hurting your back?

00:25:38.032 --> 00:25:38.512
No.

00:25:38.962 --> 00:25:40.103
What about the physical therapist?

00:25:40.103 --> 00:25:41.123
Did they talk to you about that?

00:25:41.333 --> 00:25:41.752
No.

00:25:42.083 --> 00:25:44.093
How about who you were taking lessons to, from, from?

00:25:44.093 --> 00:25:45.022
Did they talk to you about that?

00:25:45.232 --> 00:25:45.682
No.

00:25:45.952 --> 00:25:57.053
I said, well, okay, I'm, I'm sorry you're not playing as well right now as you'd like to, but we have one goal and that's to get you to understand how to swing with less pain and maybe in a way that's not gonna hurt you.

00:25:57.442 --> 00:25:59.063
He's like, cool, let's do it.

00:25:59.123 --> 00:25:59.722
And guess what?

00:26:00.292 --> 00:26:02.333
We figured out in about four minutes.

00:26:02.333 --> 00:26:03.262
I mean, it was crazy.

00:26:03.262 --> 00:26:03.893
He was like,

00:26:04.589 --> 00:26:04.980
Hmm.

00:26:05.093 --> 00:26:06.353
little posture change.

00:26:06.353 --> 00:26:08.002
Little, I mean, it wasn't that big of a deal.

00:26:08.182 --> 00:26:09.022
All of a sudden he could.

00:26:09.307 --> 00:26:10.087
And he was six feet.

00:26:10.087 --> 00:26:10.417
Six.

00:26:10.417 --> 00:26:16.028
So there he had some considerations set up, at the end of the day, he's like, man, I'll just hit for an hour.

00:26:16.028 --> 00:26:16.748
I have no back pain.

00:26:17.137 --> 00:26:18.788
He's like, that hasn't happened in a long time.

00:26:19.275 --> 00:26:19.875
That's awesome.

00:26:20.198 --> 00:26:21.758
we worked on that in four minutes.

00:26:22.087 --> 00:26:22.718
You see what I'm saying?

00:26:22.730 --> 00:26:22.849
I.

00:26:22.897 --> 00:26:27.458
he's been a two years pl actually four years plus of struggling with back pain.

00:26:27.458 --> 00:26:29.167
And what did he need to work on?

00:26:29.228 --> 00:26:31.627
He needed to work on his swing, right?

00:26:31.627 --> 00:26:31.718
Like.

00:26:33.097 --> 00:26:34.087
That was it.

00:26:34.208 --> 00:26:38.857
And that was the only, because number one reason you work on your swing, which we've talked about on this before,

00:26:39.105 --> 00:26:39.434
Yep.

00:26:39.817 --> 00:26:43.178
pain or keep you, you know, it's either hurting you or to avoid it from hurting you.

00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:43.859
You got it.

00:26:43.897 --> 00:26:47.137
one reason to work on your swing performance would be number two.

00:26:48.577 --> 00:26:49.958
man, I don't know if I'm ranting.

00:26:49.958 --> 00:26:50.587
Am I ranting?

00:26:50.587 --> 00:26:50.948
I don't know.

00:26:50.948 --> 00:26:51.518
Lee Trevino

00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:51.779
No,

00:26:51.788 --> 00:26:52.298
fired up.

00:26:52.724 --> 00:26:52.965
that was fire.

00:26:52.965 --> 00:26:53.325
That was, yeah.

00:26:54.428 --> 00:26:58.357
But the point is you could see the different processes that we worked through to just today.

00:26:58.357 --> 00:26:59.617
This was just today with me.

00:27:00.075 --> 00:27:00.434
Yeah.

00:27:00.607 --> 00:27:15.458
one lesson after the next, working on different aspects of what it was I needed to do, and every single one of them hopefully walked out going, I know exactly where I am and I know exactly the next thing I need to do.

00:27:15.938 --> 00:27:19.567
To improve and I know how to practice it and I'm gonna go work on it.

00:27:19.567 --> 00:27:19.807
Right?

00:27:19.807 --> 00:27:23.377
I know the process and I think that that's what we want you to list.

00:27:23.377 --> 00:27:24.008
It's the whole point.

00:27:24.008 --> 00:27:27.938
We have this show like, listen to me, listener, listen to Rob fails.

00:27:28.238 --> 00:27:32.258
Like there's a time and a place for each one of these things to work on, right?

00:27:32.678 --> 00:27:36.607
And you just, if you can know and understand for yourself, that's great.

00:27:36.968 --> 00:27:41.917
If you're a coach that's listened to this and you haven't really thought about this process before, we're hope this helps you out as well.

00:27:42.038 --> 00:27:43.448
And then obviously.

00:27:43.603 --> 00:27:52.032
You know, go take a lesson if you need to, to help yourself along on the journey, but make sure that your coach is aware of where you are on the journey as well.

00:27:52.063 --> 00:27:55.512
'cause sometimes that that context can get lost a little bit as well.

00:27:55.512 --> 00:28:01.962
So this is things that you can share with a personal trainer or a coach or a physical therapist or whoever.

00:28:02.262 --> 00:28:06.282
So anyway, I think that's the end of that rant as far as I know, like.

00:28:07.803 --> 00:28:08.978
I think, I think that's it.

00:28:09.067 --> 00:28:11.407
Anything you'd like to add to the conversation there?

00:28:11.678 --> 00:28:18.163
Um, maybe, maybe anything you want to add from the, um, the substack, uh, diagram that you put out the other day.

00:28:21.434 --> 00:28:23.325
No, I think, I think that mostly covers it.

00:28:23.325 --> 00:28:23.835
I think.

00:28:23.835 --> 00:28:24.285
Um.

00:28:26.325 --> 00:28:29.984
Yeah, I mean, if, if you have a chance to, to, to come see me, right.

00:28:29.984 --> 00:28:31.875
Just to kind of talk through that.

00:28:31.875 --> 00:28:32.115
Again.

00:28:32.115 --> 00:28:34.244
I'm a Bos Head Resort in Charlesville, Virginia.

00:28:34.335 --> 00:28:39.164
Um, if you're a member of CCV, obviously go see Eric, uh, and he can work you through it.

00:28:39.164 --> 00:28:42.075
But, um, I've got it now to where it's in a little clipboard.

00:28:42.075 --> 00:28:51.644
I just print a bunch off and, um, usually I'm like, after the lesson, kind of like, just real quick, like boxing the, the areas that are relevant to that particular golfer.

00:28:51.644 --> 00:28:53.505
So everyone's blueprint does, does.

00:28:53.549 --> 00:28:55.769
It end up being a little bit different.

00:28:55.859 --> 00:29:04.740
Um, but again, for level one, your, your kind of, your dispersion, your decision tree, um, all that is gonna be very much the same.

00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:08.640
Uh, versus level, level two yours.

00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:11.160
Your dispersions and your decision trees are gonna be pretty similar.

00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.930
And then level threes, and then we level four is just, uh, off on an island somewhere.

00:29:17.807 --> 00:29:21.113
So we hope to get to, um, we've kind of, we've kind of.

00:29:22.147 --> 00:29:35.407
Phase into some different parts of our new format of the show that we're trying to introduce, which is the things we see on the lesson too, that we think can help people, general ideas and a little bit of thought at the beginning about, you know, a discussion of whatever we think we can help.

00:29:35.407 --> 00:29:35.678
Right?

00:29:35.678 --> 00:29:36.157
So like

00:29:36.285 --> 00:29:36.555
Yep.

00:29:36.637 --> 00:29:42.153
you read the show title, you're gonna see about Lee Trevino or who knows,

00:29:42.285 --> 00:29:42.855
Yes.

00:29:42.907 --> 00:29:45.817
it'll say, but it's gonna be a discussion of like, basically.

00:29:46.417 --> 00:29:48.817
Knowing and understanding where you are, uh, in

00:29:49.055 --> 00:29:49.345
Yeah.

00:29:49.387 --> 00:29:55.057
your, on your golf development and knowing what to work on next, like I think that's kind of the idea we wanted to introduce.

00:29:55.327 --> 00:29:58.897
And then we wanted to go into sort of like level one, two, and three itself

00:29:59.250 --> 00:29:59.309
Yeah.

00:29:59.377 --> 00:30:04.028
talk about some things that would be very relevant to, to your development.

00:30:04.028 --> 00:30:04.448
So.

00:30:05.873 --> 00:30:10.222
As a, as a direct idea about level one, two, and three golfers.

00:30:10.222 --> 00:30:16.073
This is something that, somebody asked me the other day, Robbie, so hope I, I hope this is okay to ask you.

00:30:16.674 --> 00:30:16.964
Yeah.

00:30:18.383 --> 00:30:21.472
the dispersions, and I know you went through this, uh, on

00:30:21.565 --> 00:30:21.984
Mm-hmm.

00:30:22.073 --> 00:30:23.002
that we did.

00:30:23.798 --> 00:30:25.387
With another podcast called The Whole

00:30:25.654 --> 00:30:25.944
Yeah.

00:30:26.258 --> 00:30:27.788
I think our interview is gonna be coming out.

00:30:27.788 --> 00:30:29.917
We, we had a blast with these dudes, like,

00:30:30.210 --> 00:30:30.859
Yeah, it was fun.

00:30:30.877 --> 00:30:32.647
out their, their podcast is really fun.

00:30:32.647 --> 00:30:33.488
It's very eclectic.

00:30:33.488 --> 00:30:35.857
It's like an eclectic golf podcast in a lot of

00:30:35.924 --> 00:30:36.345
Mm-hmm.

00:30:36.728 --> 00:30:38.288
they cover a lot of topics like.

00:30:39.053 --> 00:30:42.022
Golf architecture, they do talk about like PGA tour.

00:30:42.022 --> 00:30:43.913
They're big fans of PGA tour for sure.

00:30:43.972 --> 00:30:47.363
So they like to talk about that and then they talk about their own games and their journey.

00:30:47.363 --> 00:30:51.863
So they brought us on to help them, I think, understand where they are in the journey, right?

00:30:51.893 --> 00:30:52.042
'cause

00:30:52.154 --> 00:30:52.375
Yep.

00:30:52.403 --> 00:30:55.432
level two and a level player for

00:30:55.815 --> 00:30:56.085
Yeah.

00:30:56.303 --> 00:30:59.482
Um, that both needed a little, they needed a little context on their

00:30:59.805 --> 00:31:00.644
Little concept.

00:31:00.644 --> 00:31:00.974
Yeah.

00:31:01.035 --> 00:31:01.335
Yeah.

00:31:01.394 --> 00:31:02.325
Little concept help.

00:31:02.587 --> 00:31:04.778
They needed some hip, them brothers needed some hip.

00:31:04.837 --> 00:31:05.077
Is it?

00:31:05.077 --> 00:31:06.218
That's why they called us.

00:31:06.278 --> 00:31:08.317
So anyway, check out that the whole story podcast.

00:31:08.647 --> 00:31:16.057
Um, but you described for them the actual dispersion with the fingers on the

00:31:16.130 --> 00:31:16.349
Yes.

00:31:16.357 --> 00:31:16.597
swing.

00:31:16.597 --> 00:31:23.407
Now people are very aware of, I think the, the putting finger, uh, with, with, with aim

00:31:23.595 --> 00:31:24.160
Using Amboy.

00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:24.400
Yeah.

00:31:24.509 --> 00:31:24.799
Yeah.

00:31:24.877 --> 00:31:30.218
and they're, they're triangular, essentially you're triangulating with your fingers, um, where to aim.

00:31:30.968 --> 00:31:39.008
Uh, but there's also a way to use your hands and fingers to create a dispersion picture,

00:31:39.490 --> 00:31:39.910
Mm-hmm.

00:31:40.117 --> 00:31:40.778
in the full swing.

00:31:41.498 --> 00:31:41.978
And

00:31:42.164 --> 00:31:42.525
Totally.

00:31:42.667 --> 00:31:44.768
would you be willing and able to kind of go through that

00:31:44.775 --> 00:31:45.134
Yeah.

00:31:45.194 --> 00:31:45.704
Yeah.

00:31:45.938 --> 00:31:47.557
two, and three player?

00:31:47.557 --> 00:31:52.178
I think that would be, and now this is gonna be on podcasts for most people listening to us just on podcasts.

00:31:52.178 --> 00:31:52.478
So

00:31:52.904 --> 00:31:53.204
Mm-hmm.

00:31:53.377 --> 00:31:56.978
describing this, um, just think about what he's doing with his fingers

00:31:56.984 --> 00:31:58.605
I'll, I'll, I'll do the best I can.

00:31:59.288 --> 00:32:04.208
And I have to be honest, um, I'm asking this question mostly for myself because I, I wanna

00:32:04.214 --> 00:32:04.724
Oh, nice.

00:32:04.724 --> 00:32:04.994
There we go.

00:32:05.077 --> 00:32:05.258
too.

00:32:06.833 --> 00:32:10.478
Uh, this is a new, uh, to me, this is something you haven't seen much of, right?

00:32:10.478 --> 00:32:10.778
Like,

00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:11.440
Mm-hmm.

00:32:11.617 --> 00:32:11.708
the

00:32:12.150 --> 00:32:12.440
Yeah,

00:32:12.458 --> 00:32:13.988
players are sort of catching on there.

00:32:13.988 --> 00:32:15.397
I definitely saw,

00:32:16.150 --> 00:32:18.640
it's, it's catching steam on LPGA for sure.

00:32:18.698 --> 00:32:19.117
Yeah.

00:32:19.178 --> 00:32:23.377
Um, I definitely sent you a picture of a PGA tour player doing it though.

00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:23.799
Yes.

00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:24.359
Mm-hmm.

00:32:24.428 --> 00:32:24.998
it was.

00:32:24.998 --> 00:32:26.647
Asian, an Asian guy, I think if,

00:32:26.690 --> 00:32:27.109
Mm-hmm.

00:32:27.133 --> 00:32:27.938
if I remember correctly.

00:32:29.234 --> 00:32:30.404
I don't remember either, but yeah,

00:32:30.667 --> 00:32:32.288
is really super interesting.

00:32:32.288 --> 00:32:34.147
So could you, could you kinda go through and

00:32:34.515 --> 00:32:35.025
for sure.

00:32:35.198 --> 00:32:36.218
in on this a little bit?

00:32:36.218 --> 00:32:37.807
I think it's game changing, by the way.

00:32:37.994 --> 00:32:38.414
Yeah.

00:32:38.595 --> 00:32:38.894
Yeah.

00:32:38.894 --> 00:32:39.555
So.

00:32:39.788 --> 00:32:41.288
Pia, I wanna set the gravity of this.

00:32:41.288 --> 00:32:44.198
This might be the most important thing you hear on a podcast all day.

00:32:44.617 --> 00:32:45.097
So just.

00:32:45.502 --> 00:32:46.133
Be ready for this.

00:32:46.133 --> 00:32:46.522
Okay.

00:32:47.063 --> 00:32:47.542
Be ready.

00:32:48.615 --> 00:32:49.335
Oh gosh.

00:32:49.424 --> 00:32:52.154
Um, all right, well, I'll try to do it justice.

00:32:52.275 --> 00:32:58.065
Um, but understand first and foremost, like strategy is aiming a dispersion.

00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:07.440
So a lot of people have the belief that, uh, they can control again, in control, in quotations where the golf ball's gonna go.

00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:16.019
And in reality, you can only predict where a collection of your shots are likely to go.

00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:17.730
So that's the big difference.

00:33:17.730 --> 00:33:26.400
So a friend of the pod, Chris George says, don't aim the one shot you think you can hit, aim, uh, the shot out of a hundred that you're likely to hit.

00:33:26.849 --> 00:33:30.210
So that's, uh, a big difference in that.

00:33:30.210 --> 00:33:37.019
So if you think about what a dispersion is, if you hit a hundred shots, uh, like Chris George said, you get this big scatterplot, right?

00:33:38.009 --> 00:33:42.210
And what you're trying to do is you're trying to not aim the entire dispersion.

00:33:42.210 --> 00:33:45.509
Because if you even look at PGA tour, golfers like.

00:33:46.589 --> 00:33:52.769
To aim the entire dispersion, your targets would be way too conservative, right?

00:33:52.769 --> 00:33:57.000
Especially if you're looking at the decision tree that we talk about, like number one is being in play.

00:33:57.420 --> 00:34:03.329
Number two, uh, if, if we're, if we're talking about, um, approach play, uh, number one's in play, number two is on the green.

00:34:03.329 --> 00:34:05.609
Number three is proximate a hole, right?

00:34:05.609 --> 00:34:09.480
For some, I'm thinking par three T shots especially.

00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:14.969
Um, to get all of your dispersion in play, you'd have to be aiming like.

00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.059
20 yards off the green in a lot of cases.

00:34:18.059 --> 00:34:18.269
Right.

00:34:18.269 --> 00:34:21.989
So you're so risk averse, right?

00:34:21.989 --> 00:34:26.880
That you're not actually getting the upside from the shots that you hit, right?

00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:27.239
Like.

00:34:27.644 --> 00:34:31.574
Pretty much the, the 16% of shots that are like your best, right?

00:34:31.574 --> 00:34:41.114
So you want to, you want to be able to get the benefit from your best shots, but in kind of that middle, kind of 50, 51% of shots, right?

00:34:41.114 --> 00:34:42.945
That honestly are like pretty average.

00:34:42.945 --> 00:34:44.324
Like they're a little bit misses, right?

00:34:44.324 --> 00:34:47.925
Where it's like faces a little more open than what you wanted, face a bit more clothes than what you wanted.

00:34:48.255 --> 00:34:53.625
Little Healy, little toy, like ones that you're just like not thrilled about afterwards, but still, okay.

00:34:53.985 --> 00:34:56.114
You want those to be in a place to where you can.

00:34:56.699 --> 00:35:01.829
Find them in play again on the green, number two, and then, um, obviously as close to the hole as you can.

00:35:01.829 --> 00:35:02.369
Number three.

00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:13.289
So your level of player, your level of skill, level one, level two, level three, level four is highly, highly, highly correlated to that dispersion.

00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:24.239
So if you think about just holding your fingers up in front of your eyes, kind of extending your arms all the way out, um, a level one golfer is going to have.

00:35:24.885 --> 00:35:30.525
Roughly five fingers on either side of their, uh, center of dispersion.

00:35:30.525 --> 00:35:39.585
So if you hold up all 10 fingers, putting your thumbs right beside each other, um, hold the middle of your two thumbs right over the target.

00:35:39.585 --> 00:35:42.585
Not like this, like this, Eric.

00:35:42.885 --> 00:35:43.364
There you go.

00:35:43.447 --> 00:35:43.777
Got it.

00:35:44.054 --> 00:35:44.264
Yeah.

00:35:44.925 --> 00:35:45.195
Yep.

00:35:45.315 --> 00:35:55.065
Hold the middle of your two thumbs right over the target, and that from your edge of your pinky to the other edge of your pinky is gonna be at 67% of your shots.

00:35:56.235 --> 00:36:01.065
All right, so 67% is would be our kind of our aspiration, our goal.

00:36:01.545 --> 00:36:01.994
All right.

00:36:03.135 --> 00:36:10.485
And if you wanna make it easy, oftentimes I'll, I'll hold up my 10 fingers, then I'll have someone take their little finger and their thumb.

00:36:10.514 --> 00:36:13.875
'cause oftentimes it's better just to hold up one hand, right?

00:36:14.144 --> 00:36:16.784
Just kind of split the thumb and the index finger out.

00:36:16.875 --> 00:36:21.284
Sorry, the thumb and the little finger out as far as you can And hold that out in front of you.

00:36:21.690 --> 00:36:22.079
Right.

00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.659
You can even put the middle three fingers down if you want.

00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:26.369
So it kinda looks like hang 10, right?

00:36:26.849 --> 00:36:37.650
And you can aim the middle of that zone, such that, again, from the, from the left edge to the right edge is again in play, number one on the green.

00:36:37.650 --> 00:36:39.239
Number two, if you're hitting an approach shot.

00:36:39.570 --> 00:36:44.969
And then if you've got room on either side, still on the green, then you can slide this thing closer to the hole.

00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:49.829
Um, you can look at the, uh, like the driver.

00:36:50.204 --> 00:36:52.244
Like for, for driver, that's on the sheet as well.

00:36:52.244 --> 00:36:57.824
But again, it's kind of like in play number one, we're trying to get this thing as far down as close to the green as we can.

00:36:57.824 --> 00:37:00.914
Number two, and then if you've still got some, some.

00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:08.820
Margin on both sides and get this thing a little bit more kind of in the, in the middle of the fairway or maximizing the number of shots in the fairway.

00:37:09.150 --> 00:37:09.989
That's kind of number three.

00:37:09.989 --> 00:37:15.449
So understand what that decision tree is and then understand, hey, what level of player am I and what's my dispersion?

00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:27.090
So level one is five fingers on either side, which is usually if you, if you hold up your thumb to little finger and just split'em out as far as you can from one side or the other, that's gonna be about the same.

00:37:27.525 --> 00:37:30.675
It's a little tighter, but it's, it's close enough, right?

00:37:31.905 --> 00:37:42.014
Level two is gonna be four fingers, which is usually, if I can take the, the index finger and the little finger and split that out wide as far as I can, right.

00:37:42.014 --> 00:37:43.934
That's gonna be a level two golfer.

00:37:44.474 --> 00:37:46.394
So again, four fingers on either side.

00:37:46.394 --> 00:37:47.985
It's gonna be roughly the same.

00:37:48.554 --> 00:37:49.485
Again, it's close.

00:37:49.485 --> 00:37:54.614
It's maybe a tiny bit tighter, but it's, it's, uh, close enough for government work, right?

00:37:54.974 --> 00:37:55.394
Um.

00:37:56.010 --> 00:37:58.920
Getting that out as wide as you can, it's gonna be level two, right?

00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.110
So we could, we say like hook'em horns, right?

00:38:01.110 --> 00:38:01.710
For level two,

00:38:02.273 --> 00:38:02.663
So if

00:38:02.789 --> 00:38:03.210
right?

00:38:03.802 --> 00:38:08.722
the middle, like let's say you're, you're looking at the flag just as a reference

00:38:08.804 --> 00:38:09.224
Mm-hmm.

00:38:09.293 --> 00:38:10.043
an approach shot.

00:38:11.273 --> 00:38:12.172
I put the flag.

00:38:13.387 --> 00:38:17.557
As a reference in the middle, and I could see what's on the other side as like a dispersion.

00:38:17.918 --> 00:38:18.217
Is that,

00:38:18.565 --> 00:38:18.784
Yes.

00:38:19.164 --> 00:38:19.585
Mm-hmm.

00:38:19.748 --> 00:38:21.097
and then you could move that.

00:38:21.458 --> 00:38:21.938
Right.

00:38:21.938 --> 00:38:22.327
So like,

00:38:22.525 --> 00:38:22.945
Mm-hmm.

00:38:23.018 --> 00:38:29.018
inside that dispersion inside my fingers is a pond, which is

00:38:29.125 --> 00:38:29.545
Mm-hmm.

00:38:30.367 --> 00:38:30.697
Right?

00:38:30.697 --> 00:38:33.277
Or a treacherous deep bunker.

00:38:33.277 --> 00:38:36.907
I can't get out of or out of bounds potentially, you know,

00:38:36.985 --> 00:38:37.405
Mm-hmm.

00:38:37.777 --> 00:38:40.717
So then I would slide that to where it's safe,

00:38:40.775 --> 00:38:42.224
Yes, correct.

00:38:42.277 --> 00:38:47.378
of that is where I'm gonna start to put my new of where I'm gonna start, probably

00:38:47.534 --> 00:38:47.985
Correct.

00:38:48.045 --> 00:38:54.465
And it in the middle of that dispersion is not necessarily where you're like, people think about where am I aiming?

00:38:54.675 --> 00:38:58.695
It's not necessarily where you're aiming, it's just where you want the center of your dispersion to be.

00:38:58.695 --> 00:39:01.125
So if you're a fader, you might

00:39:01.237 --> 00:39:01.628
Right.

00:39:01.905 --> 00:39:06.224
totally, like, if you're a fader, you might aim a little left of that and hit a little fade.

00:39:06.554 --> 00:39:07.965
Back to it, right?

00:39:07.965 --> 00:39:17.445
So again, there's, there's a a million different ways to, uh, to aim and to, to organize your shot, but understand like, hey, what is my dispersion size?

00:39:17.954 --> 00:39:27.885
And then for the level golfer, and then I said level three is right, you're gonna take that index finger in little finger and then slide it in about a finger width on either side again.

00:39:27.914 --> 00:39:30.195
'cause you go from four fingers to three fingers.

00:39:30.764 --> 00:39:33.135
So level three is gonna be a closer to like wolf pack.

00:39:33.974 --> 00:39:34.335
Right.

00:39:34.364 --> 00:39:35.414
Not quite Wolf Pack.

00:39:35.414 --> 00:39:40.784
It's a little bit further out than than Wolf Pack, but it's gonna be in the ballpark, right?

00:39:41.144 --> 00:39:43.545
And then level four is like, oh my gosh.

00:39:43.545 --> 00:39:44.025
It's like,

00:39:44.722 --> 00:39:44.842
It's

00:39:45.195 --> 00:39:48.614
right, it's, it's two fingers on either side, so it's per, it's actually perfect, right?

00:39:48.614 --> 00:39:54.465
Like that, that's the Tor player dispersion, which again is 67% of your shots, right?

00:39:54.465 --> 00:39:57.795
Would be kind of a standard dis distribution.

00:39:58.155 --> 00:39:59.835
Um, so there's nothing.

00:40:00.742 --> 00:40:03.293
is it fair to say if there's, if there's a big leverage.

00:40:03.847 --> 00:40:18.427
Moment you might be a, you might play that slightly more conservatively, like if there's a big pond in the way, would you, would you shade a little bit more in that sense out of 67% and just shade it a little bit?

00:40:18.427 --> 00:40:21.277
So you're favoring a little bit more towards like 80%.

00:40:22.418 --> 00:40:23.318
What do you think about that?

00:40:24.637 --> 00:40:25.027
Or no,

00:40:25.170 --> 00:40:25.800
Uh,

00:40:25.838 --> 00:40:26.527
at 67.

00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:30.570
that's, again, that is the, that is the decision tree.

00:40:31.289 --> 00:40:33.329
That is number one priority.

00:40:33.869 --> 00:40:37.320
You are, you are getting the entire, uh.

00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:42.000
Standard, like the normal distribution of shots in play, number one.

00:40:43.170 --> 00:40:49.769
Um, because again, like we are looking for optimal strategy, right?

00:40:49.769 --> 00:40:59.369
So it doesn't matter, like if you're quote unquote too conservative, you're gonna be losing shots on the other side anyway, right?

00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.679
So it, it doesn't really matter.

00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:06.420
Like there's, I tell golfers like, there's never really a scenario where I want you.

00:41:06.750 --> 00:41:10.139
Breaking that decision tree, right?

00:41:10.829 --> 00:41:19.019
Um, now what I will say is the beauty of using fingers, the beauty of using fingers, number one, super easy, super simple to do, right?

00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:22.230
You don't need any technology, you don't need an app, you don't need anything.

00:41:22.230 --> 00:41:24.929
You just literally hold your arm here, your hand out in front of you.

00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:33.809
The other thing that you, that is very helpful is, um, other than the fact that you can actually track it on the range when you're practicing.

00:41:34.155 --> 00:41:34.394
Right.

00:41:34.394 --> 00:41:35.295
Imagine that, right?

00:41:35.295 --> 00:41:39.465
Imagine practicing and using something in your practice that you can actually take on the golf course, right?

00:41:41.144 --> 00:41:44.505
Um, but what it also does is it gives you some flexibility.

00:41:44.505 --> 00:41:47.804
So we say like, this would be a level, level two golfer.

00:41:48.525 --> 00:41:52.094
Well, let's say again like, let's say you're into the wind.

00:41:52.635 --> 00:41:53.010
All right?

00:41:53.010 --> 00:41:55.304
Well then maybe let's try and stretch this out.

00:41:55.304 --> 00:41:57.914
Let's add a little bit of arm bend, right?

00:41:57.914 --> 00:42:01.304
Because this dis, this end of the wind is gonna magnify that dispersion.

00:42:02.085 --> 00:42:03.074
Let's say we're downwind.

00:42:03.824 --> 00:42:06.675
Let's slide this in a little bit, right?

00:42:07.065 --> 00:42:08.385
Let's say we're in the rough.

00:42:08.925 --> 00:42:11.175
Let's make it a little bit wider.

00:42:11.175 --> 00:42:13.034
Add a little bit of elbow flex, right?

00:42:13.034 --> 00:42:14.894
Get those fingers just a little closer to your face.

00:42:15.465 --> 00:42:17.505
Let's say that we're got a like a.

00:42:18.059 --> 00:42:21.900
Very flat, very stock standard lie that you always tend to practice with.

00:42:21.900 --> 00:42:25.530
Like fairway, no slope or anything like, I don't know, maybe, right?

00:42:25.530 --> 00:42:29.880
Again,'cause this is an average, um, let's say you're feeling really good that day.

00:42:29.969 --> 00:42:32.610
Let's say, man, I like my swing is dialed, right?

00:42:32.610 --> 00:42:34.079
I'm feeling really good, right?

00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:35.849
Maybe you can slide that in a little bit.

00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.070
Let's just say you just feel like you don't have it.

00:42:38.070 --> 00:42:43.800
You're like, oh, man, like I just, I don't have my a, a stuff, or maybe even my B, my B stuff today.

00:42:43.829 --> 00:42:47.429
Maybe you make that a little wider so it gives you some flexibility.

00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:49.349
It gives you some flexibility, right?

00:42:49.980 --> 00:43:06.119
Um, to be able to commit to the shot that you've chosen, and that is a big, big, big deal because this, this dispersion is assuming that you are swinging freely, right?

00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:14.010
The data is collected usually in a range context, usually, again, swinging freely.

00:43:14.789 --> 00:43:19.619
As soon as we are getting over this saying, you know what, I just don't really want to hit this shot.

00:43:20.130 --> 00:43:23.219
Or as soon as you're standing over it saying, you know what?

00:43:23.309 --> 00:43:26.489
I feel like I should do this, but I just, I don't like it.

00:43:26.489 --> 00:43:27.960
I just don't wanna hit this shot.

00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:30.210
What do you think is gonna happen to, to your dispersion, Eric?

00:43:31.313 --> 00:43:32.307
It's gonna grow

00:43:33.329 --> 00:43:34.289
It's gonna get bigger,

00:43:34.762 --> 00:43:35.393
big,

00:43:35.730 --> 00:43:41.519
So, so what we say is we use this decision tree and.

00:43:41.909 --> 00:43:47.909
If you, again, if you just feel like you're not in that space, then you gotta like widen that thing out, right?

00:43:47.909 --> 00:43:54.090
Get that thing as wide as you need it to, to where like, you're fine, like from one edge to the other.

00:43:54.300 --> 00:43:57.360
You're like, yeah, I'm, I can fully commit to what I'm doing there.

00:43:57.900 --> 00:44:01.349
And again, it's, it's never, it's never just a right to left thing.

00:44:01.349 --> 00:44:02.789
It's a long to short thing as well.

00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:06.780
So understand that a three finger dispersion is 10%.

00:44:07.530 --> 00:44:07.920
Right.

00:44:08.190 --> 00:44:19.050
So you can kind of do the math, right, and understand, hey, like if the, if the pen is, let's say I'm one 50 and there's, uh, there's a, uh, like water short.

00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:24.269
Okay, so, but the pen's on eight, well then you know right away, right?

00:44:24.269 --> 00:44:29.820
You know, like, Hey, I've gotta be minimum seven paces beyond that, that flag, right?

00:44:29.967 --> 00:44:30.387
Mm-hmm.

00:44:30.389 --> 00:44:32.519
don't want to be within 15, right?

00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.429
I don't wanna be within 10% of that penalty area.

00:44:36.233 --> 00:44:36.503
Right.

00:44:37.244 --> 00:44:47.925
Right, and that's when you're gonna change, like you'll, you'll get that number and then you'll, you'll add or subtract wind or lie or, or, or, you know, slope or anything that you want to off of that.

00:44:49.867 --> 00:44:54.518
It's so brilliant for a lot of reasons, and I was messing around with this on the range the other

00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:54.960
I.

00:44:55.327 --> 00:45:03.668
and I, it's hard for the listener to picture this, but when you stand out and just do it, you'll notice that it triangulates over.

00:45:04.418 --> 00:45:05.588
The length of the shot.

00:45:05.677 --> 00:45:06.038
Right.

00:45:06.038 --> 00:45:08.228
So like it, and that's what, that's how it works.

00:45:08.228 --> 00:45:13.387
That's why we're not saying, oh, on a driver it's, it's 10 fingers and on a sand wedge, it's one.

00:45:13.387 --> 00:45:17.407
No, it's always the same based on how you control the ball.

00:45:17.684 --> 00:45:18.105
Mm-hmm.

00:45:18.367 --> 00:45:23.438
over the spatial, like the triangulation over space essentially widens the

00:45:23.485 --> 00:45:24.360
It scales.

00:45:24.728 --> 00:45:25.538
yeah, it scales.

00:45:25.568 --> 00:45:27.938
So as I was looking at a two finger, like.

00:45:28.733 --> 00:45:37.822
sort of doing a, a hook'em horns at 200 yards versus, um, a flag that was at 94 and you could see how much different it, you know,

00:45:37.894 --> 00:45:38.184
Yeah.

00:45:38.393 --> 00:45:38.543
the,

00:45:38.594 --> 00:45:39.304
Super different.

00:45:39.532 --> 00:45:40.972
that dispersion was.

00:45:41.525 --> 00:45:41.945
Mm-hmm.

00:45:42.623 --> 00:45:47.572
it's really nice, like you said, something to use on the range to practice to kind of get a gauge like we're,

00:45:47.655 --> 00:45:48.074
Mm-hmm.

00:45:48.393 --> 00:45:53.603
2, 3 level players, or four if you count the tour player, but you may be like.

00:45:54.378 --> 00:46:00.018
know, you might be, you might be a level two player that has a horrible short game and you're a stick, right?

00:46:00.018 --> 00:46:00.467
You might,

00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:00.869
Mm-hmm.

00:46:00.887 --> 00:46:03.108
might have a dispersion that's way tighter

00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:04.170
a great point.

00:46:04.487 --> 00:46:05.297
two, right?

00:46:05.447 --> 00:46:05.987
So.

00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.449
totally, and that's what you learn if you come and see your eye.

00:46:09.449 --> 00:46:12.000
We can look at you, we can again, track your stats.

00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:19.110
You're gonna see, right, you're gonna see like, hey, like, I'm actually hitting it to like a level two golfer, but I'm putting it to like a, not even a level one.

00:46:19.110 --> 00:46:19.980
Like, oh, okay.

00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:20.219
All right.

00:46:20.610 --> 00:46:22.380
Maybe spend some time there, right?

00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.559
Because you might have a level two dispersion, but being only a level one player.

00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:25.920
So, yeah.

00:46:26.309 --> 00:46:27.449
Uh, that's a great point.

00:46:27.989 --> 00:46:29.400
Thanks for, thanks for clarifying that.

00:46:29.543 --> 00:46:31.193
this for 10 years with Track Man, right?

00:46:31.193 --> 00:46:33.353
Where you're trying to get a gauge on dispersion.

00:46:33.353 --> 00:46:39.893
Now it's tricky because it's a mat in a controlled environment in the same club over and over again,

00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:41.454
This is so much better than

00:46:41.842 --> 00:46:42.322
yeah.

00:46:42.405 --> 00:46:42.974
my gosh.

00:46:43.184 --> 00:46:55.335
Like, you don't, like, I don't, I don't real, I I never really figured out how to take the information from TrackMan and, and then,'cause the golfer would say, okay, well then what does that mean?

00:46:55.724 --> 00:46:56.414
How do I use that?

00:46:56.670 --> 00:46:58.710
And then it'd be a bunch of math.

00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:00.030
It would be a lot of math.

00:47:00.030 --> 00:47:02.489
You'd be like, okay, well, you gotta figure out your percentages.

00:47:02.489 --> 00:47:05.460
And you gotta say, okay, well how far is the flag from the edge?

00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:06.059
Right?

00:47:06.059 --> 00:47:07.679
Well then, okay, then what's my percentage there?

00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.530
And then you're doing math, like, no, this, this is no math.

00:47:10.530 --> 00:47:21.239
You just literally hold your fingers out, work through that decision tree, make sure that you're, you're going priority number one, priority number two, priority number three, and then make your adjustments in the name and swing, right.

00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.000
That that process right there is literally on the, on the sheet.

00:47:24.867 --> 00:47:28.012
And it's, it's building acceptance, which I love.

00:47:28.364 --> 00:47:29.235
Yes.

00:47:29.693 --> 00:47:31.012
I'm accepting that this is the.

00:47:32.302 --> 00:47:35.932
This is the width of the, of my dispersion pattern.

00:47:36.195 --> 00:47:36.344
Mm-hmm.

00:47:36.472 --> 00:47:39.233
so it's just built in acceptance.

00:47:39.233 --> 00:47:39.682
So I,

00:47:39.795 --> 00:47:40.364
You got it.

00:47:40.523 --> 00:47:41.992
to, I have to adjust.

00:47:41.992 --> 00:47:46.313
So super, super cool, um, way to do it.

00:47:46.362 --> 00:47:51.402
So anyway, check out the, the figure dispersions, test it out in your practice.

00:47:51.402 --> 00:47:52.963
Test it out in the course next time.

00:47:53.262 --> 00:47:59.172
Don't think anybody will think you're weird'cause you'll be crushing them and taking their lunch money and then no one will say anything about it.

00:47:59.563 --> 00:48:05.293
Um, people do it on the, you know, it's a very similar process to how we use AIM point on the green.

00:48:05.472 --> 00:48:08.443
And so it's just the similar, similar deal.

00:48:08.449 --> 00:48:08.869
Mm-hmm.

00:48:10.213 --> 00:48:12.523
I love the, uh, I love.

00:48:12.898 --> 00:48:13.768
That discussion.

00:48:13.768 --> 00:48:15.478
Thank you for sharing with us.

00:48:15.724 --> 00:48:16.054
Mm-hmm.

00:48:16.137 --> 00:48:24.177
anything else you've seen recently that you want to talk, any questions that you've had some students have that you'd love to, um, answer on the question and answer segment today?

00:48:24.838 --> 00:48:26.307
Any general stuff that's come up?

00:48:27.530 --> 00:48:31.820
No, it's just been a lot of, again, I get, I get beginner, like, not beginner.

00:48:32.030 --> 00:48:36.829
I get first time lessons all the time, like literally had one today.

00:48:37.489 --> 00:48:44.630
And it's just so often the case that if you awareness is.

00:48:45.530 --> 00:48:47.300
On the current task at hand.

00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:48.019
Like literally.

00:48:48.019 --> 00:48:48.199
Okay.

00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:52.309
Like what, what am I trying, what am I, what is the task?

00:48:52.309 --> 00:48:55.579
What, like it's not to look good.

00:48:55.579 --> 00:49:02.840
Like, it's not to, um, it's not to appease anyone else.

00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.510
It's not to, um,

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Impress

00:49:06.889 --> 00:49:07.760
a certain way.

00:49:08.307 --> 00:49:08.847
of your golf

00:49:08.869 --> 00:49:11.269
It's not, it's not to right.

00:49:11.269 --> 00:49:11.539
Like.

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There's just so few actual tasks that, that we, that we need, that we actually do have on a golf course.

00:49:19.085 --> 00:49:22.114
Like when you think about like, hey, like what are you gonna have to do?

00:49:22.114 --> 00:49:25.324
Like, okay, well find, find the golf ball, right?

00:49:25.324 --> 00:49:27.394
Figure out how far it needs to go.

00:49:27.715 --> 00:49:29.545
Figure out what the direction needs to go.

00:49:29.724 --> 00:49:30.085
Right.

00:49:30.594 --> 00:49:31.914
Pick the club and the shot.

00:49:32.005 --> 00:49:32.275
Right.

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And then walk in and swing.

00:49:34.255 --> 00:49:34.525
Right?

00:49:34.525 --> 00:49:38.155
Like that's, that's pretty much, uh, all that, all that we have.

00:49:38.155 --> 00:49:51.625
And it's just so funny how, again, I had somebody today who was just multitasking like crazy over the golf ball with, had so many things that he was trying to do, and none of them were relevant.

00:49:52.644 --> 00:49:54.474
None of them were relevant to the task at hand.

00:49:54.474 --> 00:49:54.925
So.

00:49:55.219 --> 00:49:59.090
All we did was we just did some,'cause he had no idea why the golf ball was going where he was going.

00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:10.909
And I think that's a lot of times why we have so many of these competing tasks is that the ball was going left, he was just hitting straight poles and he believed it was because of what his pelvis was doing.

00:50:12.552 --> 00:50:12.943
Right.

00:50:14.210 --> 00:50:16.940
The a golf ball doesn't care about what your pelvis is doing.

00:50:16.940 --> 00:50:19.099
The ball cares about what the club is doing to it.

00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:23.570
Let's, let's discuss that first and then.

00:50:23.614 --> 00:50:25.114
We will go from there.

00:50:25.355 --> 00:50:25.565
Right.

00:50:25.565 --> 00:50:35.614
And we really didn't have to go much past, like some very, very, very basic differential training with him, um, to get him to understand why the golf ball was going where I was going.

00:50:35.614 --> 00:50:38.704
And he's like, so it means I don't have to worry about shallowing.

00:50:38.704 --> 00:50:39.215
I was like, Nope.

00:50:39.514 --> 00:50:45.905
Uh, so that means that I don't have to like, have a pre-shot routine, like have to walk in and take the, the same number step?

00:50:45.905 --> 00:50:46.204
No.

00:50:46.744 --> 00:50:49.085
Uh, so you mean like I don't have to like.

00:50:49.864 --> 00:50:51.485
Uh, like, get my shoulders square.

00:50:51.485 --> 00:50:59.434
Like, no, like you mean like I don't have to like kick like my, push my left foot forward, like to get my pelvis back and like, so I don't really extend, no.

00:50:59.434 --> 00:50:59.945
Mm-hmm.

00:51:00.030 --> 00:51:02.974
It's like, so you mean that like I just need to like,

00:51:03.088 --> 00:51:05.157
point the club face to the left at impacted.

00:51:05.157 --> 00:51:05.757
You're gonna be fine.

00:51:06.605 --> 00:51:06.934
correct.

00:51:07.264 --> 00:51:16.954
Like, um, I was like, just give me like whatever time you have, and this was on his blueprint, um, you need to give me skill differential training.

00:51:17.585 --> 00:51:18.094
Um.

00:51:18.514 --> 00:51:28.445
And then he had a little bit of rhythm stuff where he didn't have enough energy going back and then the way that he was trying to add energy to that system was, was causing the face to go up.

00:51:28.445 --> 00:51:30.215
Now, why that was the case?

00:51:30.215 --> 00:51:31.054
I have no idea.

00:51:31.114 --> 00:51:34.085
All we did was saying, Hey, like I think your backswing energy's a little interesting.

00:51:34.085 --> 00:51:34.954
Let's play around with it.

00:51:35.344 --> 00:51:39.635
Give me some that like you feel like you don't have nearly enough backswing for the shot that you're hitting.

00:51:39.934 --> 00:51:43.804
And gimme some where you feel like you have way too much and let's just see what happens with the club face.

00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:55.750
When he gave me what felt like was too much backswing energy, he never hit one left when he gave it, when he said like, okay, I want to give, I want you to give me not enough backswing energy for the shot that you had.

00:51:55.809 --> 00:51:59.650
Every time when he would really try to add energy to the, to that, um, I.

00:52:00.170 --> 00:52:05.989
To the swing, like in the, at the top or coming down, it was like left almost exclusively.

00:52:05.989 --> 00:52:10.369
So yes, it was a skill issue, like he could organize skill around that.

00:52:10.369 --> 00:52:15.050
But I think for him it was also a little bit of a rhythm thing, and I had no idea why.

00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:16.550
Like, I didn't, I didn't tell him.

00:52:16.550 --> 00:52:20.659
Oh, it was because your, your left wrist was going into extension or your left wrist.

00:52:20.710 --> 00:52:31.480
Forearm was pro like, no, it's just like for whatever reason, when you gave it less in the backswing, the thing that you were doing to speed it up was also causing that face to shut for you.

00:52:32.019 --> 00:52:33.460
Because I've seen it work the other way too.

00:52:33.460 --> 00:52:40.059
Like I've had people who don't give it enough backswing energy for the shot that they're hitting and they're always.

00:52:40.835 --> 00:52:44.195
Like adding stuff late and the face opens.

00:52:44.284 --> 00:52:46.414
I'll just say that's almost more common, right?

00:52:46.414 --> 00:52:47.105
From what I've seen.

00:52:47.105 --> 00:52:54.304
But again, it's like you can't assume, you just gotta, like, that's why so much of what we do is just like, Hey, let's run the experiment.

00:52:54.304 --> 00:52:55.655
Let's just test this for like,

00:52:56.023 --> 00:52:56.262
Yep.

00:52:56.284 --> 00:52:57.905
that's my favorite kind of lesson, honestly.

00:52:57.965 --> 00:53:02.135
If I can, if I just have someone's like, Hey, let's, let's run an experiment for like.

00:53:02.465 --> 00:53:04.625
Eight, five to eight balls just to see what happens.

00:53:04.625 --> 00:53:07.534
And we're just gonna work on either side of the spectrum and just see what happens.

00:53:07.894 --> 00:53:12.005
It's so often the case that we get these like ahas, like, oh wow, that's crazy.

00:53:12.005 --> 00:53:15.275
Like, I had never, never thought to like even explore in that area.

00:53:15.275 --> 00:53:27.695
But it's, it's such a low risk, high upside way of going about it that, I mean, I'm just talking from the coach standpoint is a lot less anxiety, a lot less stressful knowing like, hey, like.

00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:33.139
I'm appreciating the fact that I don't have, quote unquote, like the geometry answer.

00:53:33.829 --> 00:53:34.039
Right.

00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.760
I'm actually just on this journey with you and we're just gonna explore.

00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:44.929
I just have a couple more places, um, that are relevant to look and explore that maybe you haven't explored yet.

00:53:46.682 --> 00:54:02.682
Super cool, super cool, and that that's, a lot of times if you get a good lesson and you're working on it the right way, you're actually quote unquote fixing things and you don't even know how you're doing it, and that's the best way, because then you're not consciously worried about, am I pronating?

00:54:02.682 --> 00:54:04.543
Am I Am I doing this?

00:54:04.543 --> 00:54:05.293
Am I doing that?

00:54:05.682 --> 00:54:08.413
You're just reacting as an athlete and getting the.

00:54:09.432 --> 00:54:11.023
Getting the ball to do what you need to do.

00:54:11.023 --> 00:54:16.213
And so that's what I try to do all the time, is just set them up for a natural situation to

00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:16.900
Mm-hmm.

00:54:17.112 --> 00:54:18.072
and fix the swing.

00:54:18.132 --> 00:54:20.592
So anyway, Rob fails.

00:54:20.592 --> 00:54:23.322
I think that takes us to about an hour on today's show.

00:54:23.353 --> 00:54:24.523
Super fun.

00:54:24.793 --> 00:54:27.222
Anything else you want to add at the end here, buddy?

00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:29.420
I think we got it.

00:54:30.072 --> 00:54:31.123
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00:54:31.123 --> 00:54:35.413
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