July 24, 2025

EP 47: Golf Myths Busted: What You DON'T Need To Do To Improve Your Golf Game

EP 47: Golf Myths Busted: What You DON'T Need To Do To Improve Your Golf Game

Send us a text In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we take a sledgehammer to some of the most persistent myths in golf improvement. From obsessing over perfect swing positions to blindly hitting thousands of range balls, we break down what actually works—and what’s just noise. If you've ever been told you need to "get worse before you get better," this episode is your wake-up call. We also expose other common misconceptions like: ❌ Watching the club hit the ball—why this cue may b...

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In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we take a sledgehammer to some of the most persistent myths in golf improvement. From obsessing over perfect swing positions to blindly hitting thousands of range balls, we break down what actually works—and what’s just noise. If you've ever been told you need to "get worse before you get better," this episode is your wake-up call.

We also expose other common misconceptions like:
 ❌ Watching the club hit the ball—why this cue may be destroying your contact
 💸 Spending outrageous money on aftermarket shafts and gear with little to no performance gain
 🔁 The dangerous myth of needing to go backwards before progress happens
 📈 Why real improvement is often simpler and smarter than you think

We discuss how to separate feel-good advice from fact-based strategies, and what to focus on if you want to actually lower your scores without overhauling your swing or emptying your wallet.

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why you don’t need a perfect swing to shoot lower scores
  • Smarter alternatives to endless range sessions
  • How to improve your game without expensive equipment upgrades
  • The truth about “watching the ball” and why it might be sabotaging your consistency
  • How to identify and avoid common golf improvement traps

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And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast.

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I'm so excited to be on with my friend Rob Fails tonight.

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There's a thunderstorm in Richmond, Virginia, so if you can hear that, I don't know if that actually takes away from the podcast or not.

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I kinda like thunderstorm.

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It's

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Oh man, I think it adds to it.

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Oh, oh.

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Hey buddy.

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Is, that's my, that's my dog.

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and Robbie's dog is on, so it's it's gonna be exciting.

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We got thunder.

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maybe he's on, because there's thunder there.

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Is there thunder in Charlottesville too?

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Is it

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Yeah, I think, yeah, we're getting a storm too, and he's not, so, not so keen on it.

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Hey, buddy.

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got

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Hey,

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bougie AST

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you're good.

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he's drinking, drinking.

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Is it red wine?

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What kind of wine you got going

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Oh, yeah.

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No, it's, it's a, it's, it's red wine.

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red wine in a, what do you call that?

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A Yeti goblet.

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It's a Yeti.

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Yeah, it's a Yeti, like a go.

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Right.

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Yeti Goblet from Cypress Point, like the, a ouest thing I've ever seen.

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I spent a lot of money in that golf shop, Eric.

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And so that's the byproduct of being invited to nice places.

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Like

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Yeah.

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to just drop like a thousand dollars in the shop, which is the credit

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We didn't have a choice.

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We had to,

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You gotta buy some things.

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So anyway, on tonight's edition of the Golf Intervention Podcast, we're gonna go some through some things you absolutely do not have to do to improve your

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yes.

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And I was thinking so much about this, Robbie, because you know when you get to be an old person like me and you got kids and you got a mortgage and you're trying to figure out all these like keys to being more healthy or being better with your

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Yeah.

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or being better with your time management.

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Like all these things that you want to do, most of us anyway, want to do.

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Two, be better at whatever all these things are.

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We do

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Mm-hmm.

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husbanding, going to church, being a, a whatever, being a good human, right?

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So we're

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Yep.

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seeking this out and there's always some guru out there who's willing to share with you their thoughts about that, right?

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And so I'm sitting there watching Instagram one day, scrolling through doom, scrolling this stuff like nobody's

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Mm-hmm.

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morning coffee.

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And I'm thinking there are so many things that golfers think they need to do.

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Like they, it's like an

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Yeah.

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I have to do this.

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It's a belief system.

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I have to do this to

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Mm-hmm.

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And they're told that through these media channels.

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And today, golfers, we are gonna take you through a list which is negative.

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I get it.

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We're not the negative people.

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This is ne, it's actually meant to be funny.

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So hopefully this episode is a little bit humorous of things you absolutely do not have to do.

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To get better at golf.

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'cause again, going back to the self-help sort of, moment I'm going through in my life, like we all do, we all do this.

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It's not like a moment, it's just part of my life,

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Yeah.

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to get better.

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You realize you have to allocate resources whatever it is that you're trying to do.

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So if you have a hobby, you allocate resources.

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What time, energy, money.

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Those are your main things that you're allocating.

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allocate it to your hobbies, you allocate it to your, to your lifestyle.

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You allocate it to your health and wellness.

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Like all these things, apparently, the type of wine that you buy, you're allocating this time, energy, and money are your main resources, okay?

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And

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I.

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the truth is, to get better at golf, can't waste your time with these things that don't matter.

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You just can't do it.

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Because if you do, you're gonna be limiting your ability to improve.

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And we only have so much time.

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put into golf.

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So today we're gonna go through a list things you absolutely do not have to do to improve a golf.

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So hopefully you can listen to this and be like, the golf intervention has set me free and we are not making fun of you if you do these things, by the way, we've done these,

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Correct.

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And I was, I was just getting ready to say that.

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Yeah,

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I know.

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I've done a lot of these things to try to figure out maybe

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probably me too.

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Yeah.

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And some of

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Yeah.

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It's just that they're not be all end all, you've gotta do this.

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Or you're, or you're

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They're not moving the needle much.

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Yeah.

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So I wrote this big list.

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I could just read'em.

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It'd be

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Yeah.

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But we're gonna go, we're gonna go through some

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Yeah, like this past week?

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Yeah, this past week we went like back and forth.

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We had text, text chain going where it was like you would send something, then I would send something and we were going back and forth for a while there.

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Yeah, with a

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So it should be fun.

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not have to do to play a better call.

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Yeah.

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so I think that one of the most interesting ones that you said, which I could not agree with you more, is the one I'm gonna start off today.

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And these are not in any order, it's just a haphazard list of things and there's many more.

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But one of the things you do not to do to be better at golf is to beat thousands upon thousands of range balls.

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You just really, you just really don't have to do it.

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I know this because I went through a 10 year period where I practiced way less than I did for the previous 10 year period, and I improved a lot more during that time.

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So, Robbie, this is one from your list.

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So tell a listener why you think you do not have to pound tens of thousands of golf balls to improve at golf.

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Yeah, and I think it starts with the belief that if you have a certain level of competency in that, like very sort of like sterile, kind of controlled environment of the range.

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It means that you are gonna do it when you go play.

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And golfers have this belief of, you know, and it might be like they get to a thousand and we're just putting a number there, but for you it might be, let's say 200, right?

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That's actually like, sadly enough.

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Like that's not an unreasonable like, number For some people is like, okay, well is it because you have the belief like, oh, you need to hit like, I don't know, like 10 in a row within a certain dispersion to, to be able to, to leave or something like, something like that.

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There's just a lot of things that people have that belief of.

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Is that okay?

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Like,, I'm gonna pick on, you know, some high school coaches that, or college coaches of, of golf teams and they say, oh, you gotta make a hundred in a row, three footers.

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Now we can debate like maybe they're learning some other skills from like a perseverance or grit standpoint that that gives them some, some benefit in the long term and, and.

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We'll, we'll just put that argument aside, but really that's a very, very, very outdated, and it's not an accurate assertion that if you do it in one context, you're gonna be able to do it in another.

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Um, really the, the point of training and kind of the point of the range is we see it is to develop reference points, is to develop, feel, is to basically calibrate your sensation of where the bottom of the swing is in space, where the face is relative to the path, the amount of momentum it has, an impact, things like that.

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Maybe to have some reference points and check what you're doing swing wise with between you and your coach, whether it be your grip, your posture, anything geometry wise that you feel like gives you better odds of line the skills up.

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Great.

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Or it might just be kind of running through, Hey, this is, these are the few things that I need to do when I go play from a, from a behavior standpoint that are gonna gimme the best odds, such as how I'm walking into the golf shot, how I'm aligning myself to a target, things like that.

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We also don't mind using the range for just tracking what your current dispersion is, right?

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So we use fingers to try to figure out, hey, what, what is the golf ball doing with a certain sample size?

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May say, 15, 20 golf balls.

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I think re like any of those options that I just listed, you can do in the context of probably 50 ball, 50 golf balls, 60 golf balls, if not less.

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If you're getting up at, you know, a hundred, 200 in that range, then I guarantee that you are searching for confidence, which does not come from results, in your practice.

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I can tell you that confidence is, if, if you think of it as like an outcome driven thing.

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It's gonna be, you're gonna be chasing your tail.

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It's more about the behaviors, it's more about the things that you can actually control.

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That's what we kind of want you to develop confidence in.

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Not, oh, did this one golf shot end up on the green?

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Or did this one golf shot end up, you know, within a certain dispersion or whatnot.

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So I think that's what people are doing.

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They're trying to find a certain number of outcomes that are gonna tell them that it's gonna be like, quote unquote okay.

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Right.

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When they go out and play the next day.

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And it doesn't typically bear fruit.

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So, that, that's what, that's what I would say is, is kind of the, some of the main points, with that myth.

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Well, I think it's just, it's this linear like effort So like I, I, I'm gonna put more effort in,

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Yes.

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Yes.

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and in a lot of

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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Agreed.

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If I wanna.

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I wanna be better at reading, I'm just gonna read more.

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I'm gonna read more and read more.

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I.

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smarter.

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That's great.

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That's effort, right?

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And that's paying off with the time.

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If you're not very focused in your practice, you're just probably gonna practice yourself into maybe staying exactly the same as you've always been.

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Or maybe even worse, maybe a little better.

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It's just not, it's not this linear X time equals X performance.

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I wish it was, if it was, we'd all just put more time in, hopefully, and become, you know, great players.

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So,

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Right.

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practice a lot.

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Some don't.

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I watch it.

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I run a tour event range, right?

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I've run it for nine years.

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I've seen Hall of Famers practice right in front of me.

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Some hit a lot of balls.

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VJ Sing.

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Darren Clark, some don't.

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I would say Steve Alker is as good as anybody on that tour right now.

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Bernhard Langer, they don't hit tons of balls, so it's not like they're, so I think there's not this correlation between how much time I'm putting in and playing better golf.

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And then the other thing tends to be is that golfers are always just trying to, when they practice, this leads me to my next point, to practice their quote unquote swing.

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They're like, I'm changing my swing or

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Yeah.

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my swing.

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So bullet point number two is you don't have to find certain positions in your swing, okay?

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I don't care

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Mm-hmm.

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favorite golfers do, that's another bullet points.

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I'm gonna combining'em together.

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Your swing doesn't have to look like Roy McElroy's.

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His doesn't have to look like Scotty Scheffler.

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Mine doesn't have to look like Rob Fields.

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None of that matters.

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And.

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So that's another bullet point.

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Who cares what they do?

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Okay?

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There is no perfect positions.

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Now, I will tell you, I see this every single day on the social media feeds.

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This person has a perfect backswing.

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Oh, this is a perfect backswing.

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Here's three tips to a perfect takeaway.

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of that exists.

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If it did, you would see them all do the same thing, and they don't.

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They're great

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Exactly.

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So

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Yes.

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you're just, you're working off a false narrative.

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So when you believe that there are certain positions or certain things that you have to do, you're really gonna struggle because you're gonna search for these things in your swing, right?

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So I, I kinda, I've never once, and I tell people this is true, my students will tell you this, I've taught 20,000 plus golf lessons, and I've never once, and I do use video for feedback purposes, but I've never once said that here's exactly where you need to go.

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And I definitely have never, ever.

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C put somebody's swing up beside a tour player and said, Hey, look at this position.

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Look at this

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Yeah,

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It has never once happened.

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again, we're all different.

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there are no perfect there's only who we are and how it affects what we're trying to do and how we're trying to learn, right?

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And

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exactly.

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I think that when you're searching for perfect swing stuff, this is what probably drives me the most crazy about social media, golf instruction is the perfect swing, the perfect setup, the perfect aim.

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So there's certain things that you just gotta, you gotta take, but from your mind and just wipe it out.

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Okay?

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See how easy that was.

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Let it go.

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See, we do that on the show a lot.

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We're like, let it go.

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See how

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Yep.

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Let it go.

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You're not

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Mm-hmm.

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What do you think

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Yeah.

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It's just searching for a guarantee, right.

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If I do this, it's the if then proposition.

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If I can find this magical piece to my takeaway, then I will have this great, perfect swing, and then I'm gonna go hit a thousand balls and groove it and perfect it and repeat it until perpetuity, and it just doesn't work like that.

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Right?

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That's why we

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Mm.

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variability skill practice, right?

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This is the things that really make you a better player.

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And so you can see we've already honed in a lot on swing stuff, right?

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This is like swing, swing, swing, swing golf, swing golf, swing.

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What's it look like?

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What, where's my position?

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What I need to repeat it, This is, these are the biggest, probably fallacies in all of golf.

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And I will tell you, I feel like sometimes we're shouting into the void with this, but uh, there's some pretty wild stuff out there.

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And I'm like, this is, this can't be, this can't be a reality.

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Um, do you think about the perfect swing positions?

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Robbie, have you found

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Yeah.

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Like I said earlier, I, I think it's, oh, no, no.

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I mean, it's, it's stuff that we've talked about ad nauseum on this podcast, but it's like the idea of like.

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Swing does not equal shot.

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Meaning like if you think of, oh, what's my perfect shot?

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Alright, let's just call it, you know, the ball ended up exactly where you aimed it, right?

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Well, that's because the skills all lined up for what you were trying to do.

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It wasn't necessarily because of a certain position at the top of your backswing halfway down, you know, anything like that.

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I, I've had a, a lesson with a client I think two or three days ago where we were actually disassociating the two.

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So there was something really, really clear that we were working on in like the early part of his backswing, just to give him better odds of kind of managing the face to path stuff.

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And so what I was having him do is like, all right, I want you to make the, the backswing that we're going for and leave the face wide open intentionally.

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Now I want you to make the backswing that you were doing earlier that was really biasing your club face way open.

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And then I want you to use your skill to close it too much, right?

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Just to teach him that, hey, like, yes, this backswing is gonna give you potentially better odds.

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We need to play it out and just test it and see how it's doing for over a long enough period of time to see if it's true or not.

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But it's not a guarantee.

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Meaning like if, if, if you did this clubface stuff that we're doing in the backswing, it doesn't necessarily guarantee anything at, you know, the, the four 10 thousandths of a second or, or three or however is it, is it one 10?

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It is

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forget how long impact is

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small.

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it?

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But it's a, it's a, it's a very, very small period of time, right?

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And the, and the ball's getting all its information from the club, like however much the, the, the, the in plane rotational club, the A plane rotational, the club, the about the shaft.

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It's getting the path, it's getting where it's hitting on the face.

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All of that information in that.

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Really, really small period of time.

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So you can't tell me that, that a certain like macro position in the backswing is gonna make the difference, guaranteed.

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When we talk about like those, those very, very minute skills, that's just what I see over and over.

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Yeah, no, totally agree.

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And, it's hard.

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It's hard when a student walks in and has a belief system that they have to do something right.

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That's what this, that's what this is really all about.

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I want you to ask yourself, listener like, are there things I feel like I have to do?

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'cause someone told me once and now I'm Trying to do it and I struggle with it, right?

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So sometimes like the

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Yep.

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lessons, and they're a little bit hard.

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But I will say, because my relationships tend to be, long term in coaching, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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when you have a, when you have the respect of the people that come to see you, They trust what you're gonna tell them, you can have that authority, to set them free from some of that, where they're like, really but my dad told me that when I was 12 he was a good golfer but my husband tells me this, but.

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My friends who are better golfers than me tell me that.

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But I took a lesson, this is a really hard one.

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Mm-hmm.

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lessons from this person who told me these things that

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Yeah.

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do.

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those are tricky moments as a coach, right?

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Because then you gotta go, well let's work through that.

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Let's just like, it's

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Yeah.

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it's not me gonna be like, oh well that's so stupid.

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Like it doesn't work like that, right?

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We just say,

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Mm-hmm.

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let's talk about maybe if that's actually true or not, right?

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And we'll go through it.

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One, one that I hear all the time from people, which is really interesting, and I'm not, this is definitely me not picking on anybody, is, if they make bad contact, it's'cause they didn't watch the club hit the ball.

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Did you ever get this one?

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Like I took my eye off it and I didn't

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Oh yeah,

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ball.

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Oh, yeah.

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Stood up or, yeah, yeah.

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one go most of the

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Yeah.

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I don't know how to communicate this to them, but that doesn't matter at all.

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You know,

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I think it's incredibly important to communicate that to him.

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I, I, I

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Yeah.

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let it go

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I think you've got to,

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Yeah.

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Have you,

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oh, I will.

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No, I never, I I never let that go.

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There's like, I will, because again, it's, it like I am, I will take, I will take every single opportunity I possibly can to get them to disassociate, swing from shot,

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No, I, no,

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And then understand the skill in between.

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And I'll go in there and I'll demonstrate, I'll say, okay, I'm going to have my eyes.

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Off the ball.

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I'm gonna pick my head up, I'm going to stand up, I'm gonna do all this stuff, and I'm gonna line the skill up, and then I'm gonna do, I'll demonstrate everything they said they think they should do.

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I'm gonna keep my head down, I'm gonna keep my eyes down until I hit impact.

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And then I'll like top it or I'll like, he'll shank it or like, and I'll just demonstrate to that like, Hey, like the thing that you think is gonna guarantee impact does not guarantee impact.

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And so I think golfers just can't hear that enough because A, it'll free them from that idea that we were talking about earlier.

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Like, Hey, I've got to hone this swing and do it enough times in practice so that I know, quote unquote, that it's going to be there for me on the golf course.

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I, I mean, I guarantee that's why people practice as much as they do is for that reason.

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Yeah, they're trying to, they're trying to guarantee so, which is, there's just no guarantees.

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Right?

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Mm-hmm.

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I had one the other day.

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That was really a fun lesson.

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Did I say?

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I guarantee that's why people practice.

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I'll

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I, I definitely used the word guarantee there.

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I just said, I just, I

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I guarantee there's no guarantees.

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yeah, the only guarantee is no guarantees.

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Write that down.

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People write

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Yes.

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Ah, I love that.

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That's the show title.

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Ooh,

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We're gonna get that on a shirt.

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intervention shirt.

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it.

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The only guarantee is there's no guarantees.

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but the belief systems run deep, right?

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That's why we

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I love it.

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why we have this episode.

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We're gonna go through some, a vast array of topics, but so we're gonna be jumping all over the place, but adolescent the other day where, really good player, I would say competitive, competitive um, on the amateur side at the state level, really struggling with their short game and, just making really bad contact on wedges, like just not hitting them well.

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And, the way we had to solve it in 30 minutes, was I had to unwind this really good player's belief system about how to make contact with a we shot, right?

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Hmm

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it took a little while.

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highly coachable person, but also someone that's like really into golf, right?

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Who has

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mm-hmm

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about how they hit the ball.

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And a lot of it is true.

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so I had to unwind, some things when it came to how the club moves down and moves up on the arc and what we're trying to do there.

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And it was a little moment of like, alright, not sure Eric's right about this.

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I could sense it a little bit, right?

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Like

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mm.

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I, I don't know.

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And great relationship with the person, but No, no, no.

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Very coachable.

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And so it was trying it, and then after, we

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What was the idea?

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I'm just curious.

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an arch height issue, right?

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Like it's the, it's the,

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Yeah.

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I gotta hit down on the shot and compress like

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Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it was getting diggy really like big fat divots.

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Like

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Yes.

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behind it.

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Well, you're not really hitting behind it.

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You're just like, the arc is so low, like you're just

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Too low,

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of it.

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right?

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Okay.

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so we talked about the concept of our kite unwind it.

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And, we're not gonna go into that.

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We discussed that on a show, but essentially, it was pretty technical in 30 minutes, right?

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And was very open, and then all of a sudden he's hitting probably five outta six, really, really crispy, picking him right off the top of the turf like he hadn't before.

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And I, had to wrap the lesson up and go, it was 30 minutes.

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So to get somebody's

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Mm-hmm.

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to kind of change, a pretty technical concept, get him to learn how to practice it, and then onto my next lesson,'cause I got one coming in, right?

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I just have to move on, right?

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So I saw him a couple days later, I'm like, how's the wedge play going?

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He goes, my gosh, that was phenomenal.

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It's changed everything about what I think about that shot.

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He goes, I was totally wrong about what I was trying to do.

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He wasn't stubborn about it by any means.

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He was totally open.

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But, that was what we, this is what we battle all the, all the time.

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And that was not from somebody learning something on social media.

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I assure you.

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He doesn't care about any of that.

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This is what we deal with when people walk in the bay and they're like, oh, I know I have to do this.

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I know I have to do this.

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I saw this release pattern thing I have to do.

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I gotta, and I'm like, okay, is it working?

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Is it not working?

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Like, what, what's the

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so we spend most of our time gently unwinding people's belief systems these days at times, because of all the things they hear from all the random people.

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And so it, it's a really interesting time, I think in golf instruction.

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That's why we put the show out in a lot of ways.

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We always say that.

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We're trying to help you wade through all that, maybe just ignore it all

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Yes.

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but whatever.

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It's fine.

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And try to hone in on the things that matter.

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What are the relevant things to your game and what aren't?

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So let's spitball a couple more, like just off the top of our head, you, things you don't have to do to be good at golf.

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Ready?

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I got one for you.

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Yep.

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You do not have to get$300 up chart shafts on your irons.

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You do not.

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I promise you.

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I promise you, you don't, you do not to use a line on your ball to put.

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You could, but you don't have to.

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Yep.

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you do not have to ignore bad thoughts.

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You don't have to ignore bad thoughts when you're on the golf course.

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You don't have to think positive thoughts when you're on the golf course.

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Do you

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Yep.

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I mean, this is

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Nope.

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if I've had the biggest growth in my, probably last five years as a person, whatever, golfer, teacher, friend, husband, parent, it's some things I've learned from Dr.

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Pryor for sure.

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um,

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Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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and I think that this notion of, of you're gonna, you're gonna ignore the things that come into your mind or you're gonna create these like magical, positive situations.

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It's like, it set me free.

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See what I'm saying?

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Yes.

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it set me free to just be me, right.

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And

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Yes.

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best me in the moment, and then be very.

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Accepting of myself in all outcomes and that I'm good.

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You know what I mean?

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Like really

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Yep.

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And and I can be really present in the stuff that I'm doing and, and that's helped me a ton.

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So, out of those things that I just named off there, Rob, anything jump out to you?

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Things you don't have to do to be a good

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, I mean, obviously the, the think positive thoughts one would be my number one, right?

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Um, again, like it, it just goes back into our propensity to judge stuff, I think is, is way overblown.

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I mean, we, we get into judging everything like, Hey, this, you know, that shot was good.

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That shot was bad.

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This thought was good.

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That thought was bad.

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This, it, it was great.

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It was terrible.

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And we just don't have to always judge everything.

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We can just say, Hey, it is what it is.

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And, you know, it's, it's, it's not that it shouldn't have happened.

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It's not that it should happen, it's just, it, it is what it is.

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Let's, let's observe it nonjudgmentally and then stay present because again, it's, it's, it's always in the past, right?

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Or in, or in the future.

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Like whenever we're making those judgements, we're always comparing what I experienced to what I should have experienced in quotations, right?

00:26:05.923 --> 00:26:07.423
And so by definition, that's off time.

00:26:07.843 --> 00:26:15.133
Like as soon as you start to, to, to go down that rabbit hole, now you are in a timeframe that doesn't exist.

00:26:15.972 --> 00:26:18.432
And that is not where performance happens.

00:26:18.432 --> 00:26:22.272
That's not where happiness is, that's not where thinking clearly is.

00:26:22.272 --> 00:26:32.653
That's not where, uh, really anything, any, like you were talking about, any high performance, um, state does not happen in a timeframe that doesn't exist.

00:26:32.772 --> 00:26:34.663
It happens right here, right now.

00:26:35.502 --> 00:26:46.542
So, yeah, I mean that's, that's what I try to, to get all of, you know, the people who, who trust me with some of the mental stuff, um, that, that I've kind of, you know, delved into.

00:26:46.843 --> 00:26:50.772
I stay in my lane as much as possible and as soon as it starts to look and feel like.

00:26:51.343 --> 00:26:52.782
You know, like quote unquote therapy.

00:26:52.782 --> 00:26:56.292
I stop real quick'cause like, hey, like it's outta my, it's not my lane.

00:26:57.553 --> 00:27:00.643
My, my goal is to, my job is to get you to perform on the golf course.

00:27:00.732 --> 00:27:05.843
And so to perform on the golf course, I need you to just understand a couple things about,, acceptance.

00:27:05.883 --> 00:27:11.883
I need you to understand about being on time and on task and that's about it, right?

00:27:11.942 --> 00:27:16.413
So having low acceptance of your thoughts is a really big deal.

00:27:17.522 --> 00:27:26.673
And I think that's a, that's a very, very important thing to, to develop over time is an acceptance of anything that could possibly come through your head.

00:27:27.702 --> 00:27:30.522
If you do any sort of meditation stuff, you'll learn really quick.

00:27:30.522 --> 00:27:34.423
'cause like your mind is designed to tell you a story and it's not always true.

00:27:35.442 --> 00:27:37.182
It's very rarely true, right?

00:27:37.512 --> 00:27:44.143
It's, it's your perception of what you're thinking about, you know, and it's not always actual, right?

00:27:44.143 --> 00:27:46.903
So just appreciating that I think is a, is a huge deal.

00:27:48.816 --> 00:27:52.455
I remember a long time ago there was this like I.

00:27:54.056 --> 00:28:00.836
Prodigy young golfer, this is probably 20 plus years ago, and I'm pretty sure I remember his name, but I'm not gonna say it because I don't want to attach to the wrong person.

00:28:00.836 --> 00:28:13.586
But I remember this, the situation, and I remember seeing on the golf channel, this sports psychologist who was working with this kid, he was a kid, he was 18 years old, 19 years old, trying to make a run at the PGA tour.

00:28:13.586 --> 00:28:14.756
Really, really talented.

00:28:15.895 --> 00:28:23.215
the sports psychologist said, we've been, um, measuring how many thoughts he has per hour.

00:28:24.476 --> 00:28:31.586
And now we're learning to eliminate thinking like we're, we're trying to limit we have these

00:28:31.778 --> 00:28:32.067
Nice.

00:28:32.516 --> 00:28:33.536
for him to turn off

00:28:33.553 --> 00:28:34.363
fantastic.

00:28:35.096 --> 00:28:36.746
The guy, I mean the guy Implo,

00:28:36.762 --> 00:28:37.722
Oh, man.

00:28:37.796 --> 00:28:38.546
never made it.

00:28:39.222 --> 00:28:40.917
Yeah, it's really, it's really rough.

00:28:40.976 --> 00:28:45.115
a young, much younger person back then thinking really doesn't make any sense to me.

00:28:45.145 --> 00:28:45.986
Like I didn't know anything

00:28:46.107 --> 00:28:46.792
makes no sense.

00:28:47.365 --> 00:28:48.986
I didn't know anything from anything.

00:28:49.316 --> 00:28:50.306
But that really made no

00:28:50.343 --> 00:28:50.633
Yeah,

00:28:50.635 --> 00:28:50.965
to me.

00:28:51.911 --> 00:28:53.111
um, I, I don't know.

00:28:53.111 --> 00:28:54.431
I don't know why the guy never made it.

00:28:54.461 --> 00:28:55.901
'cause he didn't, he did not make it.

00:28:57.131 --> 00:28:59.471
but that seemed to be the wrong route.

00:28:59.471 --> 00:29:03.701
So I think that, again, yeah, we're not sports psychologists by any means.

00:29:03.800 --> 00:29:16.560
But you can't create an environment and a framework for your own development or us as coaches to help people create their framework for development without understanding what it means to have acceptance.

00:29:16.651 --> 00:29:16.891
Right.

00:29:16.891 --> 00:29:24.030
Because the whole coaching, the whole coaching framework that you and I talk about is based on these principles, right?

00:29:24.270 --> 00:29:24.451
Of

00:29:24.643 --> 00:29:25.063
Mm-hmm.

00:29:25.290 --> 00:29:28.441
able to go, oh yeah, I have a shot dispersion pattern, right?

00:29:28.681 --> 00:29:29.131
Oh yeah.

00:29:29.131 --> 00:29:29.310
I'm

00:29:29.522 --> 00:29:29.742
Yep.

00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:30.871
yeah, yeah.

00:29:30.871 --> 00:29:36.300
Like I, I'm a, I'm a husband and a father and I'm not attaching that to any of this stuff.

00:29:36.300 --> 00:29:37.020
There, there's gotta

00:29:37.022 --> 00:29:37.413
Yep.

00:29:38.131 --> 00:29:42.361
building blocks, that help us develop the whole framework of performance.

00:29:42.361 --> 00:29:43.351
And so we

00:29:43.528 --> 00:29:44.048
A hundred percent

00:29:44.101 --> 00:29:45.030
speak to them.

00:29:45.391 --> 00:29:49.320
In some way, shape, or form to our students because we have such a belief system in that.

00:29:49.421 --> 00:29:49.901
Correct.

00:29:50.109 --> 00:29:59.650
and so you, you're gonna have, and I'm gonna have people, we're gonna hit a, we're gonna hit a shot in a lesson, and they're gonna go, they're gonna go, oh, that was like, it was like way left.

00:30:00.130 --> 00:30:00.670
I'm like, well,

00:30:00.865 --> 00:30:01.286
Mm-hmm.

00:30:01.390 --> 00:30:01.900
way left.

00:30:01.900 --> 00:30:04.660
It was like 20 feet left from one 70.

00:30:05.290 --> 00:30:07.391
It was actually just inside your dispersion last.

00:30:07.569 --> 00:30:08.109
Correct.

00:30:08.140 --> 00:30:09.670
And so maybe this is a new student.

00:30:09.670 --> 00:30:14.259
And then you have to communicate to them dispersion is and why we're accepting

00:30:14.320 --> 00:30:14.621
Yep.

00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:15.130
Right.

00:30:15.490 --> 00:30:17.079
And so that's just

00:30:17.080 --> 00:30:17.260
And.

00:30:18.730 --> 00:30:28.000
And so it, it's, it's super interesting to me, this whole discussion of thoughts and and negativity and all this stuff.

00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:28.119
It's

00:30:28.170 --> 00:30:28.589
And if

00:30:30.948 --> 00:30:31.238
yeah.

00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:39.940
for, for those of you all who, who haven't been, if this is the first episode that you're listening to, if, if you go back and listen to our epi, our episode with, uh, Dr.

00:30:39.940 --> 00:30:40.825
Pryor, Dr.

00:30:40.825 --> 00:30:42.789
Raymond Pryor, you'll, you'll get a lot of this.

00:30:42.789 --> 00:30:50.259
But when we talk about acceptance, it's not about like resigning yourself to less, it's not about, you know, just being complacent.

00:30:51.309 --> 00:30:54.849
It's just about observing what is happening as it actually is.

00:30:55.269 --> 00:30:56.980
Not telling yourself a story about it.

00:30:57.099 --> 00:31:04.569
It's not, it's saying, okay, the ball was here, it is now over there, and you can pretty much drop it after that.

00:31:05.109 --> 00:31:07.000
Like, if you want to, right?

00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:14.259
If you want to, if you wanna learn from it, if you wanna have a growth mindset about it, you can say, okay, well what did the club do to the ball to make it do that?

00:31:14.380 --> 00:31:17.559
You can say, all right, well ball hit the toe face was a little closed.

00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:18.700
Cool.

00:31:19.434 --> 00:31:20.095
Let's go find it.

00:31:20.994 --> 00:31:24.744
Uh, what you don't have to say is, that was a bad strike.

00:31:24.805 --> 00:31:26.994
That was a bad shot.

00:31:27.085 --> 00:31:29.275
That was, I shouldn't do that.

00:31:29.305 --> 00:31:36.595
Like, that is all, in my opinion, lower acceptance levels because you're not viewing the thing that's happening as it actually is.

00:31:36.595 --> 00:31:38.605
You're viewing it as you would want it to be.

00:31:39.055 --> 00:31:40.944
And that's very, very, very different.

00:31:41.724 --> 00:31:41.994
Right?

00:31:41.994 --> 00:31:48.414
So, um, high, you know, having a high level of acceptance of your thoughts is the same thing, right?

00:31:48.865 --> 00:31:54.894
I cannot have you trying to fix your thoughts on the golf course that is multitasking with something that is non-relevant.

00:31:54.924 --> 00:31:56.964
The ball does not care what you're thinking about.

00:31:56.994 --> 00:32:00.714
Like, from a, i I should backtrack.

00:32:00.894 --> 00:32:07.045
Um, your intention for the shot and what you're trying to do is relevant, obviously.

00:32:07.045 --> 00:32:11.394
And then the ball, you're gonna move the club based off of that and the club's gonna move the ball.

00:32:11.394 --> 00:32:15.440
So that's obviously very relevant, but the ball does not care if you were.

00:32:16.180 --> 00:32:17.859
Thinking, oh, this is gonna be a good one.

00:32:18.309 --> 00:32:19.569
This is gonna be a bad one.

00:32:19.900 --> 00:32:20.259
Right?

00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.440
This is, um, a hard shot.

00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:24.400
This is an easy shot.

00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.880
Like the ball doesn't care about any of that stuff.

00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:28.960
Okay.

00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.230
The only thing the ball cares about is what the club the club is telling it.

00:32:32.859 --> 00:32:41.980
And by extension, like what you're telling the club, not from a conscious standpoint, but from like a feel perception, kind of a, a prediction standpoint.

00:32:42.490 --> 00:32:46.720
Um, aside from that, I mean, you can pretty much drop everything else.

00:32:46.809 --> 00:32:49.059
You don't have to, you don't have to think positively.

00:32:49.059 --> 00:32:50.589
You don't have to fix your thoughts.

00:32:50.589 --> 00:32:55.059
You don't have to, um, push out or avoid bad quote unquote bad ones.

00:32:55.059 --> 00:32:56.470
'cause again, we're like, what's a bad thought?

00:32:56.500 --> 00:32:57.250
What's a good thought?

00:32:57.250 --> 00:32:58.660
I, I have no idea.

00:32:59.140 --> 00:32:59.619
Right?

00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.130
It's, it just, it's a, it's a subjective judgment, right?

00:33:04.583 --> 00:33:06.923
What you do need, need to do is move on.

00:33:08.002 --> 00:33:10.883
Play the next shot, uh, and be on time for that one.

00:33:11.813 --> 00:33:12.262
played,

00:33:12.460 --> 00:33:12.700
Yep.

00:33:12.742 --> 00:33:31.252
in a little pro member thing a couple weeks ago with a great, couple that I teach, and the guy hit, he played great all day, pretty much had a little bit of a stretch, a couple hole stretch, hit a ball in the water on the fifth hole and on the 12th hole, he was still literally lamenting the shot and, and so his wife and I were making fun of him a little bit.

00:33:31.252 --> 00:33:33.053
We were like making, making light of it.

00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:34.430
Yeah,

00:33:34.522 --> 00:33:36.232
goes, he'll be mad about that for weeks.

00:33:36.232 --> 00:33:40.313
So I saw him the other day, a couple weeks later and I'm like, you still still upset about that ball on five?

00:33:40.313 --> 00:33:41.542
He's like, oh yeah.

00:33:42.593 --> 00:33:45.262
So I said, you know, you're lamenting.

00:33:45.262 --> 00:33:46.732
He said, I'm la I'm a lament.

00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:49.849
yeah,

00:33:50.032 --> 00:33:55.343
But, he was able to rate the ship and sh he shot a, I think he shot an even par on the back nine, even with lamenting.

00:33:55.644 --> 00:33:55.943
yeah.

00:33:56.123 --> 00:33:58.492
um, he was able, he was able to rate the ship

00:33:58.795 --> 00:33:59.545
There you go.

00:34:00.532 --> 00:34:00.833
one

00:34:00.865 --> 00:34:01.884
it was relevant, right?

00:34:01.884 --> 00:34:07.795
When it was time to play the shot, he was able to to be on time and on task to that shot,

00:34:08.362 --> 00:34:08.483
I

00:34:08.635 --> 00:34:08.875
right?

00:34:09.083 --> 00:34:09.742
point you, you

00:34:09.804 --> 00:34:10.164
that's cool.

00:34:10.193 --> 00:34:15.023
just made, the broader point of this episode is define what's relevant, right?

00:34:15.023 --> 00:34:23.443
What is relevant to your improvement and hopefully on, we've made the case for this almost what, 50 episodes in, what are the relevant things for your improvement

00:34:23.449 --> 00:34:23.869
Mm-hmm.

00:34:24.702 --> 00:34:25.483
And

00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:26.059
Yep.

00:34:28.253 --> 00:34:31.222
It's so easy to get caught up in the things that are irrelevant.

00:34:31.492 --> 00:34:31.943
Right?

00:34:32.152 --> 00:34:34.012
And we were pointing some of'em out like.

00:34:34.057 --> 00:34:37.777
A$300 shaft upcharge, like, yeah, do you need that?

00:34:37.777 --> 00:34:38.438
Probably not.

00:34:38.588 --> 00:34:39.668
You know, that's irrelevant to your

00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:40.030
Yeah.

00:34:40.237 --> 00:34:41.257
Like most of the

00:34:41.489 --> 00:34:41.710
Nah.

00:34:41.737 --> 00:34:43.327
no matter what they're selling you on there.

00:34:43.608 --> 00:34:46.038
Swing positions relevant, not relevant.

00:34:46.038 --> 00:34:48.527
Definitely when you're about to hit the ball, not that relevant.

00:34:48.958 --> 00:34:53.338
All these things like in your practice, just time, just energy.

00:34:53.338 --> 00:34:57.297
What is the things that really matter for you to improve?

00:34:57.297 --> 00:34:59.427
And usually it's just one little thing at a time.

00:34:59.487 --> 00:35:04.547
Like, let's take this one little skill development step forward learn to play a little bit better.

00:35:04.967 --> 00:35:08.057
Um, so

00:35:08.389 --> 00:35:10.280
And can I add a little point to that?

00:35:10.340 --> 00:35:12.170
This is gonna be back to the shaft thing.

00:35:12.739 --> 00:35:23.710
Um, hunter and I were asking, Paul Wood about shafts and we asked him like point blank, like, Hey, ping measures more than just about any other.

00:35:23.710 --> 00:35:30.699
I, I, I gotta imagine they probably do in like testing, quote unquote for like more, as much as any company out there, right?

00:35:30.699 --> 00:35:32.650
They're always doing these research projects.

00:35:32.650 --> 00:35:34.929
They're always like trying to help us push forward.

00:35:36.219 --> 00:35:45.130
Would you ever design a shaft because Ping does have their own shafts in in-house that they design with all the testing that you've done.

00:35:45.610 --> 00:35:51.099
Would you ever, ever, ever design a stock shaft that does not perform.

00:35:51.505 --> 00:35:54.144
As optimally as you can, and they said, Nope.

00:35:55.103 --> 00:35:55.463
No,

00:35:55.465 --> 00:35:55.855
it's like,

00:35:55.878 --> 00:35:56.097
not.

00:35:56.275 --> 00:35:57.954
why, why on earth?

00:35:58.005 --> 00:35:58.875
Everyone's different.

00:35:59.144 --> 00:35:59.505
Okay.

00:35:59.505 --> 00:36:02.414
I want to want to, like, everyone has different launch characteristics.

00:36:02.414 --> 00:36:04.364
Everyone has plays in different conditions.

00:36:04.364 --> 00:36:07.184
Everyone has different goals, like nuanced things that you need.

00:36:07.235 --> 00:36:10.295
You might be the, the level three golfer, right?

00:36:10.295 --> 00:36:13.324
Who for your goals and where you wanna get to.

00:36:13.324 --> 00:36:16.954
You need a certain type of, you know, shaft for the shot that you're trying to hit.

00:36:16.954 --> 00:36:20.614
And you know, you've done enough testing where this, I really like this shaft.

00:36:20.969 --> 00:36:24.034
And it might be an upcharge shaft, it might be an off the market shaft.

00:36:24.275 --> 00:36:24.664
Great.

00:36:25.175 --> 00:36:38.405
But what we're talking about is when you talk about big data, like of all golfers, we're talking about level one golfers shooting higher than 88, level two golfers, 88 to 77, 76, and then level three golfers 76 down.

00:36:38.644 --> 00:36:41.496
We talk about that big data aspect of it.

00:36:43.025 --> 00:36:56.824
The difference in a stock shaft that is developed in Ping versus an aftermarket shaft is gonna be like, you're, you're looking at like the, the smallest, I mean, it's, it is, it's not relevant.

00:36:56.824 --> 00:36:57.844
It doesn't move the needle.

00:36:57.932 --> 00:37:00.543
Doesn't move the new, you put your resources into something else.

00:37:00.632 --> 00:37:00.813
Right.

00:37:00.813 --> 00:37:01.802
That, that's all I'm saying.

00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:02.210
Yeah.

00:37:02.253 --> 00:37:08.612
I guarantee you I could fit pretty much any developing golfer into Ping stock.

00:37:08.612 --> 00:37:09.333
Ping stock.

00:37:09.333 --> 00:37:13.592
To your point, they're, they're producing their own shafts, right?

00:37:13.773 --> 00:37:16.592
They, this is like the other companies after HFS too.

00:37:16.592 --> 00:37:20.163
But Ping to your point, has the Ping Ulta shaft.

00:37:20.222 --> 00:37:24.313
They have the, they have the Tor Chrome and the Tor Black.

00:37:24.342 --> 00:37:25.753
They've got these lines of shafts,

00:37:25.978 --> 00:37:27.824
The one you fit me for, it's great shaft.

00:37:28.063 --> 00:37:28.932
It's a great shaft.

00:37:29.023 --> 00:37:29.802
It's a great shaft.

00:37:30.293 --> 00:37:32.842
So what I'm saying is you could become a great golfer with those shafts too.

00:37:32.992 --> 00:37:33.262
Right?

00:37:33.262 --> 00:37:34.432
So that's, that's the point.

00:37:34.543 --> 00:37:34.764
Yep.

00:37:34.822 --> 00:37:39.802
if you're gonna put your resources into something, um, put it into something else, right?

00:37:39.802 --> 00:37:41.213
Don't put it into that because

00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:41.469
Yeah,

00:37:41.572 --> 00:37:42.652
not gonna matter to you.

00:37:43.043 --> 00:37:43.463
Um,

00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:44.199
lessons, right?

00:37:44.333 --> 00:37:44.393
to

00:37:44.650 --> 00:37:45.340
Yeah, yeah.

00:37:45.382 --> 00:37:45.983
I'm sorry.

00:37:46.072 --> 00:37:47.512
You don't need shaft puring either.

00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:48.880
No, please God.

00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:49.570
Don't do that.

00:37:50.123 --> 00:37:55.373
so there's all these little, there's all these little things that I was gonna point out.

00:37:55.373 --> 00:37:57.902
Things you don't need to, there's other things like speed training.

00:37:58.114 --> 00:37:58.605
Keep going.

00:37:58.855 --> 00:37:59.724
Let's, yeah,

00:37:59.733 --> 00:38:00.663
have to do speed training?

00:38:00.663 --> 00:38:01.023
No.

00:38:01.472 --> 00:38:06.273
Um, could you hire a personal trainer or work on your fitness all day long to get better?

00:38:06.273 --> 00:38:06.543
Yeah.

00:38:06.572 --> 00:38:07.293
Do you have to?

00:38:07.353 --> 00:38:07.682
No.

00:38:07.862 --> 00:38:08.612
Most of us.

00:38:08.643 --> 00:38:11.822
So, there's all these things that you like, go ahead.

00:38:12.782 --> 00:38:13.202
You're cutting.

00:38:13.264 --> 00:38:13.485
so,

00:38:13.623 --> 00:38:13.713
me

00:38:13.789 --> 00:38:16.070
so just to be very sorry.

00:38:16.579 --> 00:38:16.880
Okay.

00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:26.739
So again, for our lessers who are, are new to the show, when Eric's saying speed training, he's really talking about over speed training, because speed is one of our core essential skills.

00:38:26.739 --> 00:38:30.550
It's the third skill that we need to train when it comes to touch and feel.

00:38:30.550 --> 00:38:42.969
And you do need to develop a certain level of speed with driver for the level of golfer that you are, again, like level two golfers, that's where this starts to become really pretty darn important because we need to get the ball on the green regulation.

00:38:42.969 --> 00:38:46.000
And fortunately, more par fours to get through level two.

00:38:46.610 --> 00:38:47.659
Level three.

00:38:48.170 --> 00:38:49.099
Again, very important.

00:38:49.099 --> 00:38:57.679
So we do need to be pushing speed, but the way that we do that does not have to be out of context.

00:38:57.710 --> 00:38:58.760
Speed sticks.

00:38:58.789 --> 00:39:02.449
Ripping the, the thing as hard as we can in both directions

00:39:02.538 --> 00:39:02.717
It

00:39:02.780 --> 00:39:03.860
doing all this stuff.

00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.139
It could be, but you don't have to do it.

00:39:06.498 --> 00:39:07.068
Correct.

00:39:07.518 --> 00:39:12.018
So a lot of people could get a lot better at golf and never hit the ball with more swing speed.

00:39:13.188 --> 00:39:16.697
I would say a high percentage could improve without swinging faster.

00:39:17.148 --> 00:39:18.108
So again, what are you putting

00:39:18.139 --> 00:39:18.530
Yeah.

00:39:18.557 --> 00:39:19.217
energy into?

00:39:19.217 --> 00:39:24.257
And I know this because I'm, I'm a limited resource guy with all the things I do in my life, right?

00:39:24.557 --> 00:39:29.088
Mainly starting with time and energy because I just don't have that much of it, right?

00:39:29.088 --> 00:39:45.367
When you're dividing yourself out as a golf pro, golf pro schedule, which is, I work 11 and a half hour days, and then you've got,, four kids at home and a wife and a small business that she runs, and then you and I have got the podcast you wanna talk about time allocation, like it's gotta be pretty good, right?

00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:45.849
Yeah.

00:39:45.878 --> 00:39:55.387
I'm still trying to exercise some as much as, as much as seems reasonable at this time of year, playing golf still as much as reasonable this time of year.

00:39:55.677 --> 00:40:01.797
Being someone that has friends and goes to church and has other activity, you've gotta figure all this stuff out, right?

00:40:01.797 --> 00:40:02.998
Like you're limited

00:40:03.030 --> 00:40:03.690
Yeah.

00:40:03.717 --> 00:40:06.088
your time and energy and so.

00:40:06.503 --> 00:40:19.163
When you take on any one of these quote unquote tips that you're hearing, you've gotta put it into, you've gotta just put it into a balance sheet and be like, okay, time, energy, money, relevancy.

00:40:19.570 --> 00:40:20.230
Yes.

00:40:20.543 --> 00:40:21.023
out the other

00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:21.730
Yes,

00:40:21.922 --> 00:40:23.722
That, that's the, that's the point.

00:40:23.722 --> 00:40:24.623
And if you wanna

00:40:24.764 --> 00:40:25.255
correct.

00:40:25.523 --> 00:40:28.612
just go back to our other previous, however many episodes and listen.

00:40:28.612 --> 00:40:30.052
'cause I think that's what we try to hone in

00:40:30.255 --> 00:40:31.264
Just listen to the podcast.

00:40:31.282 --> 00:40:34.822
Um, but it was, I didn't even mention some of the

00:40:34.905 --> 00:40:35.105
Subscribe.

00:40:35.152 --> 00:40:35.452
I hear.

00:40:35.452 --> 00:40:37.222
'cause I don't want, people think I'm making fun of'em.

00:40:37.222 --> 00:40:40.463
But I hear these things and I'm like, oh my gosh.

00:40:40.523 --> 00:40:43.603
Somebody told me one the other day, Robbie, about this crazy swing

00:40:43.605 --> 00:40:44.025
Oh boy.

00:40:44.893 --> 00:40:48.132
Um, he, he literally hunted me down between lessons.

00:40:48.132 --> 00:40:51.793
Big fan of the pod, Lee Mal, I mentioned him by name, big fan of the pod.

00:40:52.572 --> 00:40:54.163
he, he found me in between lessons.

00:40:54.163 --> 00:40:56.413
He goes, Eric, you've gotta hear this one.

00:40:57.072 --> 00:40:58.063
I said, what's that?

00:40:58.063 --> 00:41:04.123
He goes, I saw this swing tip and it said, it said on your back swing.

00:41:05.157 --> 00:41:08.367
You need to pretend you're dumping water out of your left ear.

00:41:09.610 --> 00:41:10.030
Mm-hmm.

00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:11.420
Mm-hmm.

00:41:12.777 --> 00:41:13.918
Do we have any idea what that means?

00:41:13.918 --> 00:41:14.668
Rob fails.

00:41:15.570 --> 00:41:15.860
Yeah.

00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:16.460
Mm-hmm.

00:41:17.398 --> 00:41:18.657
I don't know where it came from.

00:41:19.318 --> 00:41:21.657
I'm like, what if someone believed that was true?

00:41:22.677 --> 00:41:26.518
What if someone listened to that and was like, my gosh,

00:41:26.710 --> 00:41:27.269
gosh, dude.

00:41:27.327 --> 00:41:27.838
been dumping

00:41:27.849 --> 00:41:28.070
Uh,

00:41:28.197 --> 00:41:28.858
outta my left

00:41:28.909 --> 00:41:29.130
oh,

00:41:29.577 --> 00:41:31.467
I gotta get to the range right now.

00:41:32.367 --> 00:41:32.818
I am.

00:41:32.907 --> 00:41:33.268
I am

00:41:33.369 --> 00:41:33.650
a hunter.

00:41:33.777 --> 00:41:36.927
to be the king of

00:41:36.945 --> 00:41:42.585
and I got on a, on a, on a, on a binge of, uh, of, you know, pre pretty great ones Earlier.

00:41:42.644 --> 00:41:47.139
The other later, uh, last week, we saw one again.

00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:56.190
No disrespect, but this one guy had a, um, he had a tennis ball wrapped, wrapped around.

00:41:56.375 --> 00:42:11.190
He had a, he had a string around his right knee with a tennis ball hanging from it, and he was just standing up, no club, just like making from set up right into his follow through, getting the tennis ball to like swing around his left foot.

00:42:11.309 --> 00:42:19.260
He was like, alright, you're gonna just sit here, you're gonna go and you're gonna get home and you're gonna do this for 20 minutes and, and that'll fix everything.

00:42:20.068 --> 00:42:20.788
You are ready.

00:42:20.907 --> 00:42:21.927
You're ready for the tour.

00:42:22.139 --> 00:42:24.119
It was just the most ridiculous thing.

00:42:24.358 --> 00:42:26.128
ear, can you imagine how good you'd be at golf?

00:42:27.148 --> 00:42:28.288
Oh my gosh.

00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:28.650
good.

00:42:28.918 --> 00:42:32.487
watching the ball, watching the club hit the ball with your line

00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:33.090
Yes.

00:42:33.117 --> 00:42:35.307
railroad tracks like these are, it's all coming

00:42:35.414 --> 00:42:35.835
Mm-hmm.

00:42:35.907 --> 00:42:37.077
The picture is coming together.

00:42:37.708 --> 00:42:40.827
So I don't know who, I don't know who

00:42:40.889 --> 00:42:41.639
Just the, Ima

00:42:41.788 --> 00:42:41.938
they,

00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:43.079
I, well,

00:42:43.228 --> 00:42:43.347
the

00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:44.670
I will send this to you.

00:42:44.670 --> 00:43:00.690
It's, it's, it's really hard to picture, but it's just like the most hysterical image of this guy taking this tennis ball, hanging from a string from his right knee and just like swinging the tennis ball around his left leg, into this ball through It was like you had, you had to see it kind of thing.

00:43:01.422 --> 00:43:06.222
The more absurd it is, the more likely it is gonna hit the algorithm and start

00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:07.199
Yes.

00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.119
Like that's what gets views, right?

00:43:09.913 --> 00:43:14.242
And so that's why we, sat down and thought, can we have an impact?

00:43:16.253 --> 00:43:20.782
I thought, I thought, um, podcasts was the way to do it because it's not as

00:43:20.804 --> 00:43:21.094
Yeah.

00:43:21.322 --> 00:43:21.742
driven.

00:43:22.373 --> 00:43:23.543
It's a long form.

00:43:24.503 --> 00:43:28.163
And I thought we could say, Hey, let's teach a principal.

00:43:28.313 --> 00:43:29.092
Let's talk about it.

00:43:29.092 --> 00:43:29.693
Let's have people

00:43:29.889 --> 00:43:30.159
Yep.

00:43:30.202 --> 00:43:30.472
if you were

00:43:30.494 --> 00:43:30.735
A hundred

00:43:30.742 --> 00:43:37.027
for a lesson, a lot of times what we do is we just help people gain understanding, We're not tying them up.

00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:37.510
percent.

00:43:37.733 --> 00:43:44.152
One of the other, you do not need to use swing training aids to play

00:43:44.170 --> 00:43:44.590
Mm-hmm.

00:43:44.782 --> 00:43:44.932
good

00:43:44.994 --> 00:43:46.195
Yeah, you don't have to do it.

00:43:46.195 --> 00:43:46.465
Yeah.

00:43:46.552 --> 00:43:47.092
have to.

00:43:48.023 --> 00:43:51.472
every now and again, there's a little something that may help a little bit, I don't know.

00:43:51.922 --> 00:43:55.373
But at the end of the day, you don't need to use swing training aids either.

00:43:55.643 --> 00:43:57.713
And so I have to feel like.

00:44:00.143 --> 00:44:02.693
Having taught golf now for a long time, decades.

00:44:02.972 --> 00:44:09.992
And I think, I kind of feel like for me, I'm just in this mode where it feels like people are just really improving at golf.

00:44:09.992 --> 00:44:10.532
And it's fun.

00:44:10.652 --> 00:44:12.483
Like, it's just, it's just really fun.

00:44:13.742 --> 00:44:17.882
I don't know what that means other than I think that the communication's gotten better.

00:44:18.302 --> 00:44:30.943
And my goal, is to help educate people when, when it comes to education, education means to draw out of people, not to put into people, And I'm always trying to draw out of them their best abilities to play this game.

00:44:31.782 --> 00:44:37.242
I think that, I don't know, after 20,000 plus lessons of 20 years of doing this,

00:44:37.293 --> 00:44:37.512
Yes.

00:44:37.621 --> 00:44:38.492
happening right?

00:44:38.492 --> 00:44:39.331
A lot of times.

00:44:40.081 --> 00:44:40.262
so.

00:44:41.927 --> 00:44:44.356
Can we help people gain understanding?

00:44:44.387 --> 00:44:45.947
That's all we ever wanted to do in this podcast.

00:44:45.947 --> 00:44:46.666
I think it's working.

00:44:46.666 --> 00:44:52.577
I mean, we hear that from people all around the, all around the globe, really, who say that you all have really, really helped us.

00:44:52.637 --> 00:44:54.496
So if you got those stories, share'em with us.

00:44:54.527 --> 00:44:55.726
We don't really do anything with it.

00:44:55.726 --> 00:44:59.527
We just like to hear, we just like to hear, we love to build relationships with people.

00:44:59.527 --> 00:45:08.416
So anyway, let us know how you're doing, if you learned anything, any other, dying tidbits you wanna share for people that they just don't have to do.

00:45:08.657 --> 00:45:09.527
You do not have to

00:45:09.597 --> 00:45:10.143
Oh man.

00:45:10.293 --> 00:45:10.713
All right.

00:45:10.757 --> 00:45:11.657
get better at golf,

00:45:12.992 --> 00:45:14.253
Let's look back here.

00:45:15.496 --> 00:45:17.206
or you're looking at the text thread now.

00:45:17.777 --> 00:45:18.257
Yeah.

00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:18.960
a lot of'em.

00:45:20.447 --> 00:45:21.797
Oh, plumb Bob.

00:45:22.244 --> 00:45:22.724
Oh plumb.

00:45:22.724 --> 00:45:22.905
Bob,

00:45:23.777 --> 00:45:24.692
Don't have to plumb Bob.

00:45:24.885 --> 00:45:25.514
you don't have to.

00:45:25.514 --> 00:45:25.755
Plumb

00:45:25.811 --> 00:45:25.931
I.

00:45:25.994 --> 00:45:27.255
I've seen some good punters of plumb.

00:45:27.255 --> 00:45:27.494
Bob.

00:45:27.494 --> 00:45:31.664
I'm, I will say you do have to use aim point.

00:45:31.724 --> 00:45:33.525
You can't put right without me, I'm just telling you.

00:45:33.824 --> 00:45:34.485
But that's true.

00:45:35.324 --> 00:45:37.125
You, if you're not using it by now, you're just kidding

00:45:37.246 --> 00:45:37.876
Yeah.

00:45:39.407 --> 00:45:41.777
I like guess get worse before you get better.

00:45:41.987 --> 00:45:42.586
I like that one.

00:45:43.034 --> 00:45:45.494
my number one reason for the show and I totally forgot about it.

00:45:45.614 --> 00:45:48.344
You do not have to get worse before you get better

00:45:48.797 --> 00:45:49.036
No.

00:45:49.875 --> 00:45:52.364
And anybody that tells you that is completely lying to you.

00:45:53.355 --> 00:45:55.394
I just have to say that I'm getting fired up now.

00:45:55.394 --> 00:45:56.054
It's getting late.

00:45:56.085 --> 00:46:02.394
The thunder's world booming through my house, I think that was actually the thing that spurred me on to this episode.

00:46:03.041 --> 00:46:03.331
Yeah.

00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.829
that I had heard that multiple times.

00:46:05.829 --> 00:46:09.340
Like I know I gotta take a couple steps back before I improve.

00:46:09.340 --> 00:46:10.690
And I'm thinking, why

00:46:11.251 --> 00:46:11.472
Yep.

00:46:11.530 --> 00:46:15.519
in here and you wanna improve, we're gonna talk about the thing that takes, takes you to the next step to improve.

00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:17.380
It's not about taking three steps back.

00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:19.329
I think that's, that.

00:46:19.329 --> 00:46:21.250
I, I will tell you that's probably in the

00:46:21.445 --> 00:46:22.260
What do you think that is?

00:46:23.170 --> 00:46:25.570
Um, why do you think that is?

00:46:26.050 --> 00:46:26.559
I think it

00:46:26.876 --> 00:46:27.956
Like, what do you think that is?

00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.949
I think it comes from,'cause I'm older than you, so I've been through some more of this.

00:46:33.909 --> 00:46:40.389
I think it comes back from the golf guru days where people were like, oh, you're the, you're the swing teacher.

00:46:40.389 --> 00:46:45.070
You're the, and you have this philosophy of swing positions, right?

00:46:45.487 --> 00:46:45.907
Mm-hmm.

00:46:46.929 --> 00:46:52.360
when you're trying to put everybody into a model like that, many people get worse.

00:46:52.420 --> 00:46:53.920
They never actually get better.

00:46:54.340 --> 00:46:56.139
And so then you're, then you're like.

00:46:56.317 --> 00:46:56.536
Yes.

00:46:56.860 --> 00:46:57.670
Do you see what I'm saying?

00:46:57.699 --> 00:46:58.539
So now you're selling

00:46:58.726 --> 00:46:59.016
Yeah.

00:46:59.231 --> 00:46:59.681
Yeah,

00:46:59.769 --> 00:47:05.139
like, oh, you may get worse because now you're doing, this is the opposite of how you and I would teach somebody.

00:47:05.710 --> 00:47:06.340
You're making

00:47:06.402 --> 00:47:06.942
yeah.

00:47:06.969 --> 00:47:08.949
thing rather than you helping them

00:47:08.952 --> 00:47:09.521
Yeah.

00:47:09.550 --> 00:47:11.230
better, if that makes sense.

00:47:11.742 --> 00:47:12.041
Yep.

00:47:12.041 --> 00:47:13.121
Mm-hmm.

00:47:13.690 --> 00:47:20.289
the whole notion that you're gonna get worse before you get better, just isn't, it isn't true for me.

00:47:20.769 --> 00:47:27.590
And I think that some more egocentric instructors,, I'm not trying to be critical, but it's just true.

00:47:28.820 --> 00:47:33.739
they just believe so much in what their philosophy or their model of quote unquote the

00:47:33.817 --> 00:47:34.266
Yeah,

00:47:35.179 --> 00:47:42.000
that they have to, they have to, they have to say that because some people are just gonna get worse, and maybe they do get worse before they get better.

00:47:43.577 --> 00:47:47.056
So, so I think I can put that into context a little bit.

00:47:47.056 --> 00:47:58.336
So I think in, in the context of what, what you said earlier, it's like, okay, here's a swing position because this is the correct thing to do.

00:47:59.177 --> 00:48:03.646
A hundred percent, like most, like a lot of people get worse and never get better.

00:48:04.666 --> 00:48:15.347
There are times where, and we want to be able to, to separate when this happens, when, when change the swing in order to bias the skills in a more advantageous way.

00:48:16.007 --> 00:48:21.586
But the overall dispersion gets bigger because the pattern is different and you haven't skill trained enough.

00:48:22.306 --> 00:48:26.836
Uh, AKA play golf enough with that different movement.

00:48:27.527 --> 00:48:38.356
So the key there is like when you are changing your swing or when you're doing something different swing wise, is it in order to bias the skills in a desirable way.

00:48:38.356 --> 00:48:40.907
So like a good example would be like, Hey, you got X Tour Pro.

00:48:41.476 --> 00:48:44.387
He hits it 70, 80 feet high.

00:48:44.896 --> 00:48:50.237
Now he's gonna go play in a course where he needs to be able to hit it higher and stop the ball in some really firm greens.

00:48:50.597 --> 00:48:55.277
Like, okay, so we're gonna implement some, some ideas to try to get his peak height higher.

00:48:55.516 --> 00:48:55.936
Cool.

00:48:56.686 --> 00:49:04.367
So you see in training, like with what you're doing, uh, the peak height's definitely getting higher, especially on the ones where he is hit in the middle of the face.

00:49:05.027 --> 00:49:09.677
Problem is, is that because it's different and he just hasn't skill trained with it enough?

00:49:10.126 --> 00:49:15.976
The overall dispersion of where, in terms of like where it's hitting on the face or the face of the path gets a little bit bigger.

00:49:16.427 --> 00:49:22.306
That's where I might say, okay, well because of this, what we're doing, it's gonna be worth it.

00:49:22.427 --> 00:49:25.186
Because you are actually, you're not necessarily getting worse.

00:49:25.246 --> 00:49:32.836
You're, you are getting better because you're accessing a skill that you, that previously wasn't as accessible.

00:49:33.197 --> 00:49:39.527
You just need to learn how to reduce your dispersion of the other skills with that same movement.

00:49:40.306 --> 00:49:40.637
Right?

00:49:40.637 --> 00:49:44.356
So I think in a lot of times golfers will misinterpret that.

00:49:44.356 --> 00:49:51.317
They'll, they'll hit a couple shots that they don't like because again, that dispersion that just gets bigger, say, oh, well this swing is making me worse.

00:49:51.317 --> 00:49:56.146
Like, no, like, let's actually take a look at the data it's doing the thing we want it to do.

00:49:56.146 --> 00:49:59.356
It's increasing your peak height or it's getting the ball to curve.

00:49:59.836 --> 00:50:00.016
Uh.

00:50:00.856 --> 00:50:04.786
To the right or left a little less or the ball's going further.

00:50:04.786 --> 00:50:05.146
Right.

00:50:05.476 --> 00:50:08.206
But you're just seeing a little different dispersion like, that's okay.

00:50:08.206 --> 00:50:11.927
We're gonna skill train with this new pattern and we're gonna get that dispersion a little bit tighter.

00:50:12.257 --> 00:50:13.487
Two very different things.

00:50:13.487 --> 00:50:18.286
In one scenario, it's the instructor is saying, this is the correct thing to do.

00:50:18.586 --> 00:50:19.186
Here you go.

00:50:20.264 --> 00:50:26.025
And another hand, and on another end of the spectrum it's alright, we want the skills to be biased in a different way.

00:50:26.025 --> 00:50:27.885
Let's test some things to see what works.

00:50:27.914 --> 00:50:30.855
Oh, we see something that actually works, but your dispersion a little bit big.

00:50:30.855 --> 00:50:31.335
Who cares?

00:50:31.335 --> 00:50:36.014
Like we can definitely train and, and, and get that dispersion a bit tighter just through some skill training.

00:50:36.523 --> 00:50:36.873
Right.

00:50:36.989 --> 00:50:41.009
And I think that that 30 years ago didn't exist for the most part.

00:50:41.278 --> 00:50:41.458
Right?

00:50:41.565 --> 00:50:42.014
Mm-hmm.

00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:42.358
have

00:50:42.465 --> 00:50:42.735
Yep.

00:50:42.809 --> 00:50:43.679
help with skill trade.

00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.438
Didn't have the technology for dispersion, So what happened?

00:50:47.048 --> 00:50:50.518
People know the names, Bobby Clampett, Ian Baker Finch.

00:50:50.518 --> 00:50:51.809
There were some guys that wanted to.

00:50:52.184 --> 00:50:57.103
Improve and it was just swing changes, It was just someone's notion of how they should swing it.

00:50:57.103 --> 00:51:08.612
And some these teachers taught great players, and so it did work at times and it didn't work at times, and to your point, you gotta gain access to skill through a swing change.

00:51:08.913 --> 00:51:13.083
Although we don't really understand skill, we can't measure skill, we don't know how to train skill.

00:51:13.083 --> 00:51:16.172
Back then that much, was really hard to do that.

00:51:16.172 --> 00:51:17.492
So everything was just about the swing.

00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:17.980
Yep.

00:51:18.123 --> 00:51:18.693
just the swing.

00:51:18.693 --> 00:51:18.992
It's the

00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:19.420
Mm-hmm.

00:51:19.503 --> 00:51:20.132
It's the swing.

00:51:20.402 --> 00:51:21.182
Everything's a swing.

00:51:21.932 --> 00:51:30.952
So I hope that we on this show have giving you that InBetween swing and shot aren't exactly the, there's an InBetween called skill, and those are the things that

00:51:31.275 --> 00:51:31.494
Yep.

00:51:31.583 --> 00:51:32.603
lost in the equation.

00:51:32.992 --> 00:51:46.253
So most of the time when people come to see me for lessons, there might be some swing tweaking, but a lot of it's skill development, or we're working on things like strategy or we're working on their routines or their processes to help them play better.

00:51:46.353 --> 00:51:52.353
And so they just play better, but the point is, you can improve at this game pretty quickly most of the time, right?

00:51:52.353 --> 00:51:52.443
Mm-hmm.

00:51:53.371 --> 00:51:57.452
You, the listener out there can find a good instructor, can take you through that process too.

00:51:58.202 --> 00:52:06.632
And if you need to take lessons, you can fly to Charlottesville on your private plane and go see Rob fails at the Boris Head resort, Birdwood golf course home of UVA.

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I think he would love to help you out, don't you think Rob fails?

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Just bring your, bring your

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I would.

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in there, Dr.

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Drive your car,

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Mm-hmm.

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come see him.

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Anything you want to add at the end of this episode?

00:52:18.411 --> 00:52:20.931
Rob, anything else, any fun stories?

00:52:20.978 --> 00:52:22.418
was fun, as we said it would be.

00:52:22.882 --> 00:52:24.561
It's always fun being with you, my man.

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Like we said, when we got on, it's been a

00:52:26.407 --> 00:52:27.007
Likewise,

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It's been hard to get stuff out.

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We've both had a lot

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I.

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I've had a lot going on with my family, which has caused me to have a routine that has been un-normal.

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And so our time has been very minimal.

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So I apologize to the listener.

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I know you've been waiting for a new episode of the Golf Intervention Podcast and here it is.

00:52:44.141 --> 00:52:50.817
And we are glad you that you are tuning in anyway, hope you get to play some golf this week and play really well.

00:52:51.597 --> 00:52:52.436
Anything else, Rob?

00:52:54.688 --> 00:52:55.288
Think we got it.

00:52:55.317 --> 00:52:59.007
Alright, until next time, have a great week everybody.

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Cheers.