March 19, 2025

EP 41: How Golfers Can be Their Own Worst Enemy. Hidden Pitfalls and What Golfers Should Really Be Focused On.

EP 41: How Golfers Can be Their Own Worst Enemy. Hidden Pitfalls and What Golfers Should Really Be Focused On.
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In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we kick things off with a quick fantasy football check-in before diving into some of the worst swing advice floating around social media. We break down why constantly changing your swing based on social media trends will hamper your development.

We focus on what golfers should work on first (everything besides the swing).  

We also dig into the mindset challenges that hold players back—whether it’s frustration on the course, unrealistic expectations, or mental hurdles that stop progress. Plus, we explore practical ways to build a process-driven approach to improvement instead of chasing quick fixes.


🔊 Tune in now and take the next step in your golf journey!

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And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast.

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Rob Fales has a, has a super flex dynasty startup draft tomorrow.

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What is, what is going on?

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We're going to talk about that and other things today on the Golf Intervention Podcast.

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Yeah.

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Welcome back Rob Fales.

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We don't even have like,

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see you again.

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we went live.

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We really have to be real honest.

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I like texted Robbie like one line of what I was thinking we'd talk about.

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That's it.

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This is going to be like live chatter.

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This is going to be really good.

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Um, cause there's things I've got on my mind and I can't wait to kind of.

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Discuss it with Rob Fales.

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We've been off the air for a little while, for good reason though, Robby traveled with his Code Breakers group, and if you're not aware of what his Code Breakers group is, it's really, I think, golf instructors helping golf instructors is kind of what it feels like to me.

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Golf coaches out there, um, doing some education, so they had a retreat, and that, he had Raymond Pryor, Dr.

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Mike Kay, That had to have been phenomenal.

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Familiar voices and faces to the golf intervention.

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Um, and, and then I guess the week after we got an award, a PGA sports media award for the golf intervention podcast, which is pretty awesome.

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So we were at a black tie event in Washington, D.

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C., greater Washington, D.

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C.

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area, and we in a very surreal moment.

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Received a sports media award from Jimmy Roberts of NBC sports, Emmy award winning, like one of the all time greats.

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I mean, such a great, I mean, big fan.

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I've been a big fan of Jimmy Roberts for many, but he used to be on ESPN, if I believe I can remember correctly, but he's just good.

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And he was so good.

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He was so nice.

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And he said, quote, I think I need a golf intervention.

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I thought that was awesome.

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He did.

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He asked us some cool questions.

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He took pictures with us was very kind.

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Um, so it was,

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kept having flashbacks to the Olympics.

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Like when, when, you know, watching the winter Olympics, summer Olympics, you know, with his work with NBC, I always remember hearing his voice.

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And so I was like, where am I at right now?

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always has something poignant to say.

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That's the thing with Jimmy Roberts is like, you can take a moment and just like say something really good.

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He told some cool stories, but yeah, just like sitting on the stage.

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And I even said.

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Yeah.

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wrap my mind around that.

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So, I want to thank the middle Atlantic PGA section, the folks that nominated us and voted for us.

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That was pretty cool.

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And, uh, obviously all the hard work, uh, for the section office and people to put that together was really fun.

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Um, a couple of days, my wife went up and stayed with me and then we had education the next day.

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So we had a PGA meeting and education.

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So anyway,

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patients.

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there we are.

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And then last week I think you were on the move again.

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So here we are.

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We're back

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we are.

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You're back.

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a brand new episode of the golf intervention podcast.

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And most importantly, you have a startup fantasy football.

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Super flex dynasty draft coming up and I, and I have to admit, I'm a bit of a degenerate fantasy football player.

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Not going to lie.

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People come to me for advice.

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I've won many, many leagues many, many times.

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And I love dynasty.

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So dynasty, for those of you don't know, you just keep your players forever.

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You know, you draft a team and then super flex means, you know, you actually can play well, you can play it.

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You know, a flex player, which we all kind of know, but it could be a quarterback in a super flex.

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So when you're drafting super flex quarterbacks become a very premium position.

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Yes.

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And I am, you can see by my shirt, if you're looking on video, a Steeler fan born and bred.

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are wondering who is going to play quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, Eric, who's

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Listen, I'll take Mason Rudolph over the old dudes that they're trying to sign all day long.

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Give me Mason Rudolph at 4Million a year, sign a bunch of free agents and then we'll go on.

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That's what I'm thinking.

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But your question was, you have the number one pick in a startup.

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one.

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Yeah,

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So I would say as a Steeler fan, so there's no bias here.

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There's a lot of Washington Redskins fans.

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I still call them the Redskins around here.

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Um, Jaden Daniels has got to be in the conversation for that, for that one on one.

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I think I'm going to click him.

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Are you a, are you a commander's guy?

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Is that your team?

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I'm not a commander's guy.

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I'm a big Jane Daniels fan.

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I tell you that.

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I mean, he's He won me over actually, like I really enjoyed watching him his last year there at LSU, actually.

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And so I was for him in his first year and to see him do as well as he did, um, I don't know, he's, he's got a fan in me, so

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Oh,

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to click him,

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so good.

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So I drafted him in Dynasty last year.

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Uh, not super flex, but I'm really glad I did.

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Cause He's awesome.

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So, uh,

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late ish, right?

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You

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yeah,

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5th?

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I got him 10th.

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I got him 10th because you know, it's

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Oh my

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I mean, yeah, no, it was it was a good pick.

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absurd.

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So

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That's crazy.

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That's awesome.

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Quickly some other names.

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I mean, I think sake one is still in the conversation when you play dynasty It's really a three row three.

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I think it's a three year revolving window that you're looking at I think I think sake one has three really good years left.

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So think sake one still has to be in the conversation there He's generational.

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Unbelievable.

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Could take you to the championship.

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Um, yeah, so I don't know.

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The wide receivers are all really good chase Jefferson, but I think you got to get wide receiver later.

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So I don't know.

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I think it boils down to a few quarterbacks.

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Josh Allen's got to be in the conversation.

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and

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He's got plenty of time, but Jaden Daniels, just he's got such a long career ahead of.

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Yeah, such a long career and he.

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He made

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too.

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football look really easy for a rookie last year.

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It was really pretty impressive.

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So he turned these Steeler fans who've been living in commander's country for better part of 20 plus years.

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Um, we started liking the commanders last year too, cause that they were fun to watch.

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So anyhow, back to the golf intervention

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Oh, man, this is a

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wasn't that fun?

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Wasn't that fun?

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podcast.

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maybe we're setting up a spinoff show.

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That's what we're doing.

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Setting up a spinoff.

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Yeah, we could, we could actually do some,

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it.

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yeah, we have some real,

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think, I think we could

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golf pros are such degenerates.

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I mean, we could bring on some people who are pretty serious about, about fantasy football in all kinds of ways.

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Um, so anyway.

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Let's get back to the to the

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do it.

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which we said we hadn't taken on, uh, the swing itself.

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We kind of took on everything else around the swing itself until the end.

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And we really had to take it on in a way that was like.

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The golf intervention way, right?

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And what we thought about the swing in general, um, and how we currently understand it.

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Cause I think it's always an evolving thing, right?

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Like we learn, we learn things all the time.

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Like I, I learned things, I learned things from Dr.

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Mike K that I hadn't really.

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Thought about before.

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And so this, the swing itself and it's understanding is in a very evolutionary phase.

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I think a very good place if you're someone who likes to study the golf swing mechanics, but it's also a very problematic place, in my opinion,

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place,

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the problematic place is that people are obsessed with the golf swing.

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They're obsessed with it.

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Yes.

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Today's episode,

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episode, when I, when I texted you, I said, Hey, maybe we do an episode on sort of like hidden pitfalls that are sort of impeding people's developments, right?

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Constraints pitfalls, things that people don't realize are actually kind of like.

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Messing them up.

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And my biggest one on that currently has gotta be the obsession with the look of the golf swing and this like,

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the geometry, right?

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yeah, it's driving me nuts.

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If there's anything that you have, the listener took away from.

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That series that we did on the golf swing, which is kind of a loose series, few episodes.

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I count the Mike K episode in there a little bit on the golf swing.

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All that was golf swings.

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Listen, if you take anything away, it's this, I'm going to,

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away.

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to summarize it in a sentence that you need to remember.

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So I

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understand this.

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And I hate to say this.

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I think very few

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I think

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golf instructors understand this as well.

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So hopefully,

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possibly

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be a positive.

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and and

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of golfers and teachers.

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Ready?

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That your golf swing

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golf

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gives you access to your golf skills.

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Okay?

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golf skills.

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skills and golf swings are two different things.

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Or two different

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Okay?

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A hundred percent.

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they're not completely You know, separate.

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But, but what I'm saying is

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I'm saying is,

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the obsession with golf swings is killing golfers, killing them.

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way.

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and the,

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hundred

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the problem is every time you open Instagram or every time I would say Instagram, I don't have tick tock, but I think it's just as bad.

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Probably every time you open it up, you're.

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You're just hit with all this crazy golf swing stuff, and I'm

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Crazy, the

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now of people who don't teach golf, and frankly, probably don't play it very well, and they think they're golf swing experts.

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And they, they have these pages that, I saw a guy, Robbie, I mean, this is where I kind of like, this post had 4,

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I

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likes.

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It was some dude in corduroy with his pants hanging down, standing on a mat in a field.

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Talking about how he's invented a golf swing that everyone should do.

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Okay, you need to close your stance

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can push

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throughout the whole swing and smash down on the ball

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already.

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Mm hmm.

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Hmm.

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There's Right.

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history.

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What we are seeing is that people have a very huge lack of understanding about what actually makes them score better.

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What actually makes them score better, right?

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It's not their swing.

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It's their ability to use their swing to create skills that produce shots in the moment that produce scores.

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So we can, right.

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I mean, we've harped on this, you know, through the thing.

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But it started to like kind of make me nuts.

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I just literally was sitting here.

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Wait for you to come on.

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Jackson was being, he was, he didn't want to go to bed tonight.

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Sounds like

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No.

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Yep.

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he was wanting to watch bluey or something.

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It was blue.

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It was bluey on.

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Is he a big bluey guy?

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Is he like bluey?

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Uh, he's, he's big into reading at night.

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Oh, he likes reading.

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he

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Perfect.

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I got to, I was like, all right, Jackson, one more.

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And then I'd finished the book.

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And he's like, no, one more.

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And I

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One more daddy.

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say no?

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You can't say no.

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You can't say that.

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Listen.

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No.

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I have kids that love to read.

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You got to read to them.

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It's the best thing you can do.

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So, as I'm sitting here scrolling through my, through my stuff, there was this, this guy, one of the, one of these guys that doesn't teach golf, but he thinks he's a golf swing expert, pops up in my feet all the time.

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And he says, um, he can't understand why Cameron Champ isn't like the best player on the tour.

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Look at his swing.

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It's perfect.

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And here's video of him chipping.

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Well, look, there's nothing wrong with his chipping.

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Here's his putting stroke.

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Look, the mechanics of his Punning Stroke look fine.

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They look fine to me.

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He should be the best player on the tour.

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Could you miss the point anymore?

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Could you miss the point any more than that?

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Yes.

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You see what I'm saying?

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There's plenty of people with swi Yes, Cameron Tramp has great speed, he hits the ball f Great.

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I have no idea about what his stats are like.

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But Your ability to produce shots when you need them in the way that you need to is the thing that gives you the skills.

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That's where you have the skills to make the scores.

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Obviously, if he was making the scores, it's not the mechanics that are doing it, right?

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You could have Tiger Woods putting stroke, but if you can't control the speed or read a green, you're going to be a terrible putter, right?

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So, point being, if there's anything that you take away

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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what you call the geometry or the look or the sort of general understanding and mechanics of the swing without understanding the relevance to how that gives you access to your skills, you are probably putting yourself in this terrible loop of trying this and trying that and changing this and changing that.

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this.

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Your access to your skills.

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Changes every time and it probably doesn't immediately give it may, it may get better, may not get better.

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The fields are going to change and then all of a sudden you're going to have to try to find that again as well.

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So I don't know.

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I'm a little bit, I said I was fired up.

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I guess I'm more fired up than I thought I was.

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I

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up.

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what I had for dinner that was spicy.

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But the point is, this is what we see as coaches.

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100%.

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And isn't it fair, you know, you, you teach at a place, you teach at a, at a public facilities that people, you probably see more cross section of people than I do.

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And I'm lucky because a lot of the people that come to see me, they trust, they, they know me and they trust me.

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I've been teaching there for 18 years, right?

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Yes.

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I don't have people walking in my bay who I teach a lot are like, Hey, yeah, like.

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Um, I saw this thing and I'm trying it tomorrow.

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Like, it doesn't happen a ton.

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Right.

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Um, what do you think about the Genkis internal shoulder thing?

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Like, that just doesn't happen a ton.

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Why?

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Because they trust what they're learning from their coaches.

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Right.

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But I see it a ton in new students and I see it for people who I'm friends with that play golf.

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Right.

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Who are like, trying to learn and get better outside of my country club world.

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Right.

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Like, friends of mine.

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Um, what are you seeing on your lesson team?

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It's kind of.

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Are you seeing a similar,

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Similar.

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a similar deal out there of people kind of like constantly chasing their tail in their golf swing and not really in it?

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Right.

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the first few minutes.

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I'll ask them how, how can I help today is really usually my first question I'll ask even returning students.

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And it's amazing how often they jump straight to about positions of the golf club, where they are in space, right?

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saw this video that says I need to do this, right?

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Um, it's, it's, it's all the time.

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It's all the time.

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And so, um, I'm constantly fighting that battle in the lesson tea of getting them to understand that the shot and the swing are separate, right?

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There's this whole skill piece in the middle that we need to not completely glance over.

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Right.

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And what that actually looks like is, uh, is very counterintuitive to a lot of golfers.

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Cause I mean, like going back to some of the Dr.

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Prior stuff, we can talk about like A shape beliefs versus V shape beliefs, right?

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So I'm on the video, I'm making this, uh, this kind of, uh, an A shape between my two hands here, where the top very little space between my fingers, the bottom, quite a bit of space between my palms.

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So the top is going to be our perceived margin of error.

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is our perceived consequences.

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So a lot of people believe again, swing creates shot, right?

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So they believe that if the shot isn't what they want, then it was a swing issue, right?

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And so it becomes as very much like, okay, was the shot good or bad, which is a subjective opinion.

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then the only solution to bad shot is Better swing.

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right.

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Well, what does that mean?

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Again, that's subjective as well.

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So we get out of this very sort of objective based feedback loop of is the bottom of the swing in space?

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Where is the face relative to the path?

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Where is the speed relative to your intent?

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And we get into this very of judgmental, Oh, well, if that ball didn't go where I wanted to, then there was something wrong with my swing.

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And that just gets golfers down this rabbit hole of believing they have to create this perfect golf swing to create quote, unquote, perfect shots.

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I mean, there's, there's nothing really more destructive to a golfer's long term improvement than that belief.

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In my opinion,

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Because it,

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the, the, the inverse, right.

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If I'm going to go the opposite, right.

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So you've got V shaped beliefs, right.

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On the top is a ton of perceived margin of error at the bottom is very short term temporary external consequences, right?

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So if we believe that, Hey, I can swing the club, but really the things that are creating the shot are the skills.

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Which there are three main ones and they're always predictions, right?

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So we don't know before swinging the golf club exactly where the bomb, the swing is going to be, the face to path is going to be, where the speed is going to be, So I'm making a very much a kind of like a feel prediction those three skills with the swing that I have, assuming I'm swinging freely, right?

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Which is the thing that kind of stacks the odds in our favor that we produce our prediction, which is what a lot of people are looking for.

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But, If we start to understand like, Hey, I don't have control.

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Like I can swing the club in a lot of different ways, right?

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create the shot that I'm trying to create.

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As long as I'm getting better at predicting those skills.

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Right.

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And, and for me that, that opens golfers up to say, Oh, like I don't have to have.

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This idea of this amazing, like perfect golf swing.

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I can actually take what I have currently and go out and play a lot better golf, um, play a lot freer golf, And have more perceived, you know, more predictability over what the golf ball is doing.

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Um, is a, a fun thing to show golfers.

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And oftentimes they'll say, Oh, I wasn't really expecting that.

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I was like, yeah, it's

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right,

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you give me.

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right.

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Um, if I, yes, I totally agree because then they're They're chasing to your point where you were saying they, they blame the swing for the shot.

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Right?

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You know, then they chase, they check, they want to change.

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Right?

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So this will happen in a lesson.

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Sometimes I know you coach people up on this.

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This is a mindset change.

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In my opinion is like.

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Hey, you know, I know this thing's going on.

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We, we do some diagnostics.

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We're doing what, you know, we're trying to

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whatever,

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them through the process of whatever it is they're working on.

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Could be swing change, could be skill work, could be something.

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Right.

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Um, and there's a percentage of people that'll make like a swing at it and go like, well, that didn't work.

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Like, Oh, I hit that bad.

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Right.

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exactly,

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And we know like, yeah, well, I know you hit it bad.

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I was watching, like I watched thousands of shots every day and I know

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mean,

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hit that bad.

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see

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Let's, let's relax for a second.

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And let's, let's, let's work through that intent again and again and again and see where it goes, right?

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Always try to judge.

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Are we going in the right direction?

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Are we going in the wrong direction?

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But the point is, Um, you're not going to gain control of whatever it is we're working on in a swing.

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It's not going to happen in one swing.

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you

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you've got to sort of work through it a little bit.

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through it

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Um,

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bit.

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what happens if you're not being coached up?

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doing what you

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I'm someone who's intelligent.

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who's

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a hard worker.

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I research things.

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When I, I'm a figure outer, right?

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For lack of a better term, like,

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my product.

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I'm

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something's wrong with my car.

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I'm going to try to figure that out, right?

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I'm going to figure out what's going on there.

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Or, um, You know, Hey, um,

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you know,

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something's going on with my health.

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I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to figure that out right before I go to the doctor or with the doctor.

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I'm gonna do my own research.

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All that stuff is good, right?

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There's there's a, there's,

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There's

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there's benefits all that and engulf to probably,

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don't take long.

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but at the end of the day, then, you know, you're taking this perceived knowledge that you have.

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and you're trying

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it into something that you don't have a great feel for.

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And I'm just being honest with that, right?

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about.

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Most golfers don't have a great feel of where their body and club are as they're swinging it.

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They don't.

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So what feedback are they getting?

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They hit the shot and they go, bad shot, bad swing, bad shot, bad swing, right?

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And no, no, on the, on the Instagram P1, P3, P5, P whatever.

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I was told this is bad.

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That means this must be good, right?

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I saw three different things and I swear I don't try to look at me just like as you're flipping through reels like I love reels, by the way, like, if there's anything I like about.

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Social media.

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It's the hysterical like 30 second reels that people do on all kinds of things.

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Like they just crack me up, right?

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So like if I'm bored and I'm like, you know chilling in my bed Whatever I'm flipping through drinking my coffee and these things pop up and I saw another Do these two things for a perfect backswing perfect backswing?

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There's no Write this down, people.

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There is no perfect

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There's no such thing as a perfect backswing.

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And all that tip can do is hurt you because you're going to search for the perfect backswing, right?

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And you're going to try to do it because you have a belief.

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So here's another thing, while I'm fired up about it.

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These people know they're not helping anybody.

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Okay, that's not that's not what they're trying to do.

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They're trying to gain their notary

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what they want.

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correct.

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want Yes.

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They and they're using that to get what they want, which is eyeballs on them, right?

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No,

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that gives them influence.

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If you

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know full well in places that they don't talk about in public

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here.

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they are quote unquote helping nobody.

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It's just part of what they do to get eyeballs on themselves.

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Now, am I being critical?

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But I'm not trying to be critical, but I do want to protect my students.

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If you tune into the golf intervention, it's because we think you need an intervention, right?

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And that part of the intervention is, I don't know what I don't know.

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That's why we call this show what we called it.

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this

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It starts with, I don't know what I don't know.

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That's why we started with it.

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And in this sense, you have to realize that random swing information isn't going to help you.

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And I have a good story on this from the other day.

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that

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came in, super smart guy,

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super smart

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a couple years, put a, actually, very good, I mean, he's a newer member, just a couple years, I don't, didn't know him very well.

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didn't

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Good looking swing.

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Like, if you take, okay, geometry of the swing, he looked like, if you watched him from the other end of the range, you'd go like, oh, that guy, good swing, right?

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Good balance and rhythm and follow through.

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good arm movement.

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And

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And

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it's a good story.

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he came to me and he said, Eric, I just can't play.

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I have

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I can't play.

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This is the first lesson, right?

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this is a first lesson.

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Um, okay.

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What's the problem?

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I hook everything like miles.

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I'm like, okay.

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So we start kind of looking at it

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start having a

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and we do the diagnosis and I'm like, you know what?

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and I'm not

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Um, here's what I think this is what you're doing.

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I think you did a little bit too much of this too much of that

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too

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and he is one of these ones that would do a lot of research read a lot, a lot of YouTube, a lot of whatever.

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that.

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And he said, Eric, I had an epiphany about 3 months ago,

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three months

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and he said, what if I'm wrong about all the things I think I know

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the things I'm doing.

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and he goes.

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And

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You just, not on purpose,

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not

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but I just realized I was wrong about all the things I thought I know.

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things I'm doing.

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because he didn't know good things.

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He wasn't interpreting it to his swing quite right,

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it.

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He didn't

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putting it into context, right?

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correct.

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So the point is he, it was five minutes.

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He's hitting it better, right?

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It's just a couple of little things we were unwinding.

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No big deal.

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big deal.

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At the end of the day,

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the end of the

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if you are going to work on your swing,

00:25:19.385 --> 00:25:21.020
on your slaves,

00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:23.009
you think you need to work on your swing, you probably need coaching.

00:25:23.180 --> 00:25:23.559
That's just,

00:25:23.730 --> 00:25:25.085
need

00:25:25.329 --> 00:25:26.250
it on this show.

00:25:26.439 --> 00:25:29.148
do that.

00:25:29.148 --> 00:25:39.986
That's just, that's, that's, that's a huge factor.

00:25:40.329 --> 00:25:40.640
Yeah.

00:25:43.195 --> 00:25:45.486
Number one would be like scoring strategy.

00:25:45.605 --> 00:25:49.066
Like, are you aiming in places that's not allowing you to swing freely?

00:25:49.185 --> 00:25:53.306
Because you know you don't have the margin of error on one side that you don't on the other.

00:25:53.579 --> 00:25:53.970
Right.

00:25:53.986 --> 00:25:55.296
Alright, so that could be one.

00:25:56.115 --> 00:25:57.516
Uh, your shot process.

00:25:57.816 --> 00:26:01.056
Alright, are you not predicting lie, slope, and wind?

00:26:02.046 --> 00:26:03.955
And how they're going to influence your golf ball.

00:26:03.976 --> 00:26:19.895
Therefore, you're standing over it and you're trying to use your golf swing to make up for Uh, three would just be the overall mindset that you're bringing to your play on the golf course.

00:26:19.895 --> 00:26:25.215
Are you more of like fixed mindset or growth mindset in terms of how you're your game?

00:26:25.546 --> 00:26:25.786
Right?

00:26:25.786 --> 00:26:35.586
Is this something where it's like, okay, you've either got it or you don't, or are you always looking for opportunities to learn and improve, which don't always feel like playing well.

00:26:36.415 --> 00:26:36.816
So

00:26:37.150 --> 00:26:37.519
Right.

00:26:37.536 --> 00:26:40.276
would in, in what we know through the research and what Dr.

00:26:40.276 --> 00:26:47.885
Pryor shared with us, the code breakers is that your mindset is a wrong predictor of performance.

00:26:49.175 --> 00:26:50.016
Strong predictor.

00:26:50.016 --> 00:27:03.145
If you are, if you're bringing in, it fluctuates by the way, but if you're bringing a fixed mindset into what you're doing, you're going to feel on that in general, you're going to feel more anxiety, which is going to disrupt your skills and disrupt your rhythm.

00:27:03.846 --> 00:27:04.445
Simple as that.

00:27:04.445 --> 00:27:04.655
Right?

00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:05.900
And stunt your learning.

00:27:06.175 --> 00:27:06.625
there's.

00:27:07.105 --> 00:27:07.415
Correct.

00:27:07.455 --> 00:27:07.695
Yeah.

00:27:07.695 --> 00:27:09.365
So there's, that's, there's three.

00:27:09.986 --> 00:27:10.246
All right.

00:27:10.246 --> 00:27:12.236
And then we haven't even gotten into skill.

00:27:12.276 --> 00:27:13.256
There's four.

00:27:14.165 --> 00:27:17.605
And then from the swing standpoint, are your clubs fit for you?

00:27:17.605 --> 00:27:18.526
Are you in posture?

00:27:18.566 --> 00:27:19.346
There's five,

00:27:19.369 --> 00:27:19.750
Right.

00:27:20.066 --> 00:27:20.355
right?

00:27:20.355 --> 00:27:23.375
Are you holding the club in a, in a, in a, in a functional way?

00:27:23.415 --> 00:27:23.605
Right.

00:27:23.715 --> 00:27:27.655
So like that's all happening before the club starts moving.

00:27:27.930 --> 00:27:28.279
Right.

00:27:28.309 --> 00:27:30.079
And so the, the reason why,

00:27:30.211 --> 00:27:31.191
many options.

00:27:31.430 --> 00:27:35.640
yeah, and the reason why that's not the popular discussion.

00:27:36.490 --> 00:27:38.549
On Instagram is because you can't pack.

00:27:38.589 --> 00:27:41.700
You can't really it's hard to package that up in 30 seconds in a way.

00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:46.890
That's interesting or attractive or for lack of a better term.

00:27:46.890 --> 00:27:50.059
Sexy like something that you're going to look at and click on.

00:27:50.069 --> 00:27:51.059
Like, you know, you're going to look at.

00:27:51.269 --> 00:27:55.549
Oh, she's, you know, click on this 1 and watch it.

00:27:55.549 --> 00:27:55.880
Right?

00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:57.609
Like, that's kind of how it goes.

00:27:57.880 --> 00:27:58.430
And.

00:27:58.994 --> 00:28:00.884
You know, it is what it is.

00:28:00.894 --> 00:28:13.595
Like if you, I guarantee you, if you, if you took one of those influencers and had them do a, a mindset, you know, like a mindset clip, I'm going to guess it doesn't get a lot of clicks, right?

00:28:13.984 --> 00:28:17.664
Processes are boring, but processes are vital.

00:28:17.744 --> 00:28:19.904
Like they're the absolute most vital thing.

00:28:20.315 --> 00:28:26.444
And so you just ran through a bunch of stuff that I was going to, I was going to say like, what are the pitfalls, right?

00:28:26.565 --> 00:28:27.994
You just ran the list down.

00:28:28.295 --> 00:28:28.615
Right?

00:28:28.904 --> 00:28:30.855
You just ran down the list of stuff.

00:28:30.894 --> 00:28:38.474
No, it's perfect because it's, it's all I really wanted to talk about today is like, what are the things that people don't realize are holding them back?

00:28:38.474 --> 00:28:41.464
And you just went through the list because they always think it's their swing.

00:28:42.015 --> 00:28:46.325
Now, some people will go like, some people have some good awareness of like scoring strategy.

00:28:46.325 --> 00:28:50.634
They'll go like, Eric, I've got no clue about scoring strategy or Eric.

00:28:50.634 --> 00:28:53.605
I've got no, I've got no routine on the course.

00:28:53.731 --> 00:28:55.118
think

00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:56.329
how to judge slope.

00:28:56.329 --> 00:28:59.099
I don't, you know, so those, I think there's some awareness on those.

00:28:59.278 --> 00:29:00.663
Yeah.

00:29:00.765 --> 00:29:01.894
predictability piece,

00:29:02.050 --> 00:29:03.436
know,

00:29:03.644 --> 00:29:19.855
you know, skill training or practice habits, or, you know, what are your capabilities from your body or your limitations from your body equipment is very misunderstood and under an underestimated, like equipment is huge for

00:29:20.507 --> 00:29:21.412
it's

00:29:21.444 --> 00:29:22.105
that plays this game.

00:29:22.317 --> 00:29:23.223
the,

00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:30.440
not the, it's not the arrow over the Indian or whatever that saying is like, you've got to have equipment that works for you.

00:29:30.450 --> 00:29:33.710
Or it's going to be, you're, you're making golf harder on you, right?

00:29:33.842 --> 00:29:34.278
calls

00:29:34.299 --> 00:29:34.799
On yourself.

00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:40.269
Then it's going to be, again, you're going to blame your swing for things that have it, have nothing to do with it.

00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:41.000
Right?

00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:43.650
I mean, I see it all the time.

00:29:45.464 --> 00:29:49.394
I'm lucky we've got a lot of work with a lot of people who are very growth minded.

00:29:49.394 --> 00:29:56.654
I mean, I think that's a product of probably being pretty successful in life, like, being able to learn and grow and understand.

00:29:56.654 --> 00:29:58.035
And and so.

00:29:58.665 --> 00:29:58.846
And

00:29:59.115 --> 00:29:59.865
It's pretty fun.

00:29:59.865 --> 00:30:00.355
I, I can't,

00:30:00.455 --> 00:30:00.695
pretty

00:30:00.865 --> 00:30:01.525
I'm not going to lie.

00:30:01.525 --> 00:30:03.134
Like the last few weeks have been

00:30:03.215 --> 00:30:03.415
few

00:30:03.644 --> 00:30:05.015
extremely busy.

00:30:05.305 --> 00:30:14.605
I mean, it was like the, it was like the worst winter we've had in probably six or seven years in Virginia, you know, snow on the ground for weeks at a time.

00:30:14.984 --> 00:30:18.424
Um, and then when the, it was like, there was a Saturday afternoon.

00:30:19.035 --> 00:30:19.204
Okay.

00:30:19.204 --> 00:30:23.704
We had the, we had all the bay doors down and in simulators for weeks.

00:30:24.335 --> 00:30:27.095
And then we're looking at the forecast, looking at the forecast.

00:30:27.095 --> 00:30:29.214
We're like, Oh, the snow's going to melt Friday.

00:30:29.615 --> 00:30:32.904
By Saturday at lunchtime, it's going to be 50 degrees.

00:30:33.022 --> 00:30:36.107
Yeah.

00:30:36.164 --> 00:30:36.904
the bay doors up.

00:30:37.265 --> 00:30:38.414
And it was like the season hit.

00:30:38.474 --> 00:30:40.934
It was like, it was just Katie bar the door.

00:30:40.944 --> 00:30:42.934
It was, it's been nuts ever since.

00:30:43.515 --> 00:30:46.035
So we've been really, really busy and it's been fun.

00:30:46.045 --> 00:30:49.904
It's been fun kind of getting back into the groove of teaching a bunch of lessons.

00:30:50.345 --> 00:30:52.815
Um, but people want to play better.

00:30:52.825 --> 00:30:57.224
And I think that when we're, when we're doing this, we do this for one reason.

00:30:57.265 --> 00:31:01.704
And I think everybody gets it that tunes in because we don't, we don't ask for anything and we're just like.

00:31:02.121 --> 00:31:02.250
that we're

00:31:02.335 --> 00:31:05.325
Two dudes in sweatshirts talking on a microphone.

00:31:05.451 --> 00:31:05.750
on the

00:31:05.815 --> 00:31:06.345
Um,

00:31:07.020 --> 00:31:07.221
Uh,

00:31:07.325 --> 00:31:08.414
just want you to play better.

00:31:08.431 --> 00:31:08.861
just want to get

00:31:08.865 --> 00:31:10.394
There's answers out there.

00:31:10.510 --> 00:31:10.871
answers

00:31:10.944 --> 00:31:22.265
we're hoping that we can guide you on a process as, as you enter 2025 golf season, that you could just play better and not necessarily have to swing a better quote unquote.

00:31:22.795 --> 00:31:23.954
To do it, right?

00:31:23.980 --> 00:31:24.230
to do

00:31:24.384 --> 00:31:25.125
So,

00:31:25.151 --> 00:31:25.490
Right?

00:31:25.611 --> 00:31:26.080
So,

00:31:26.285 --> 00:31:27.664
I don't know if I'm still ranting.

00:31:27.674 --> 00:31:29.174
I kind of feel like I'm still ranting.

00:31:29.174 --> 00:31:30.805
I'm going to end rant and rant

00:31:31.381 --> 00:31:32.121
I'm just saying.

00:31:32.121 --> 00:31:32.621
I've

00:31:32.684 --> 00:31:32.984
hard.

00:31:32.984 --> 00:31:34.075
Stop and rant.

00:31:34.615 --> 00:31:36.164
And we're going to talk about other pitfalls.

00:31:36.174 --> 00:31:37.515
Although you kind of named them all.

00:31:37.525 --> 00:31:41.055
So what else you want to talk about?

00:31:41.055 --> 00:31:46.035
So, it's good, because I feel like what I was going to name as the, as the hidden pitfalls.

00:31:46.173 --> 00:31:46.678
to

00:31:46.815 --> 00:31:49.494
going to be fixed mindset versus growth mindset.

00:31:49.494 --> 00:31:51.194
It was going to be the equipment.

00:31:51.219 --> 00:31:52.228
fun to

00:31:52.404 --> 00:31:52.944
Um, it was,

00:31:53.237 --> 00:31:56.263
will be episode 1 and 5,

00:31:56.634 --> 00:31:57.595
I have to be honest,

00:31:57.777 --> 00:31:58.786
behind the

00:31:58.805 --> 00:32:01.144
this will be episode 41 when we put it out.

00:32:01.605 --> 00:32:11.734
And one of my favorite episodes of all of them was the one we called, I think it was called mindset.

00:32:11.964 --> 00:32:13.075
Was it called mindset?

00:32:13.105 --> 00:32:15.904
A golfer secret superpower, I think is what I titled it.

00:32:16.545 --> 00:32:20.325
And I could listen to that episode over and over again.

00:32:20.625 --> 00:32:23.734
It, it, there's so much good stuff and you were the lead on that.

00:32:23.744 --> 00:32:24.805
It was really, really good.

00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:26.099
And, um,

00:32:26.445 --> 00:32:26.665
And,

00:32:26.769 --> 00:32:30.400
I kind of told the story, like, I went to UVA, which my son's at UVA, which is

00:32:30.721 --> 00:32:31.726
some of your

00:32:32.015 --> 00:32:32.734
One of the great

00:32:33.066 --> 00:32:33.401
I'm

00:32:33.704 --> 00:32:34.335
universities

00:32:34.405 --> 00:32:34.740
guys.

00:32:34.795 --> 00:32:35.365
the world

00:32:35.411 --> 00:32:35.746
and

00:32:35.815 --> 00:32:38.634
and when we went to the parents orientation,

00:32:39.145 --> 00:32:39.336
the

00:32:39.394 --> 00:32:44.035
this world renowned author, like she's literally written like five best selling books.

00:32:44.035 --> 00:32:45.015
She's a psychologist.

00:32:45.015 --> 00:32:45.805
She leads their second.

00:32:46.019 --> 00:32:46.871
reason as a

00:32:47.085 --> 00:32:50.125
She got up and did a whole presentation on the same research.

00:32:50.144 --> 00:32:50.585
Carol.

00:32:50.815 --> 00:32:54.434
Quick, what, uh, you know, growth versus fixed mindset.

00:32:54.845 --> 00:32:56.285
And I was like, this is incredible.

00:32:56.285 --> 00:32:58.755
It was like two weeks before we had recorded this episode.

00:32:59.244 --> 00:33:02.974
So if you haven't listened to that, I don't have the number in front of me, but we call it mindset.

00:33:02.984 --> 00:33:04.464
The golfer's secret superpower.

00:33:04.825 --> 00:33:06.785
Please go back and listen to that episode.

00:33:06.815 --> 00:33:10.384
It is, it is not just about golf, obviously it's about life.

00:33:10.384 --> 00:33:12.134
But when you think about

00:33:12.260 --> 00:33:13.191
when you think about.

00:33:13.464 --> 00:33:21.615
the foundation for what it is and anything you want to develop or succeed in, is it not mindset rap fails?

00:33:21.615 --> 00:33:25.394
Like Is it not give, give us,

00:33:25.830 --> 00:33:26.471
right?

00:33:26.625 --> 00:33:27.204
where it starts.

00:33:27.204 --> 00:33:28.654
So, so give us some insight.

00:33:28.654 --> 00:33:30.555
What did, did, did Dr.

00:33:30.954 --> 00:33:35.125
Prior go into some of this, uh, more in depth in the code breakers retreat?

00:33:35.184 --> 00:33:36.335
Like what was the story there?

00:33:36.421 --> 00:33:46.770
Oh yeah, yeah, he did, uh, he did two presentations each, so basically six hours uh, of total presentation time on Mindset.

00:33:48.224 --> 00:33:50.025
Six hours on the mindset.

00:33:50.154 --> 00:33:54.730
I'm going next year, by the way, I'm in next year is, is I, I, sorry.

00:33:54.730 --> 00:33:56.565
I had to miss, but I will not miss again.

00:33:56.586 --> 00:33:59.996
very, we're, we're very hopeful that we'll be able to get him back next year.

00:34:00.445 --> 00:34:00.986
Um,

00:34:01.134 --> 00:34:03.065
Have we picked a location for next year?

00:34:05.776 --> 00:34:06.576
uh, so going back and

00:34:06.970 --> 00:34:07.630
Okay, got it.

00:34:08.356 --> 00:34:15.255
likely Skokie country club and, uh, and kind of greater Chicago area Garrett Chassard is

00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:15.789
Mm hmm.

00:34:15.789 --> 00:34:16.469
Mm hmm.

00:34:16.630 --> 00:34:17.179
Okay, great.

00:34:17.295 --> 00:34:21.235
is, uh, it's kind of the current hypothesis, but, but we'll see what happens.

00:34:21.235 --> 00:34:23.775
But yeah, I mean, Dr.

00:34:23.775 --> 00:34:25.036
Pryor just really went.

00:34:26.476 --> 00:34:30.965
Deep on it for two days and kind of overwhelmed right now thinking about it.

00:34:30.976 --> 00:34:37.365
But, um, a couple of the, a couple of the big things that I took away from it was just the power of questions.

00:34:37.771 --> 00:34:49.721
And like how you can ask golfers some very, very relevant, vital questions that get them to kind of understand the difference and get them more aware of like where they're currently at.

00:34:50.481 --> 00:34:53.641
Um, and so like a really good question would be like, why are we here today?

00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:54.699
Mm hmm.

00:34:54.740 --> 00:34:59.471
So like, are we here to look better or are we here to get better?

00:34:59.831 --> 00:35:00.081
Right.

00:35:00.081 --> 00:35:05.920
And so that's the first thing, like when golfers come to the range, ask yourself that question first.

00:35:05.981 --> 00:35:11.150
It's like, all right, am I here to look better or am I here to get better?

00:35:11.181 --> 00:35:26.721
And if you're really in the key to this as being honest with yourself, because I know there are so many times my golfing history, I've gone to the practice facility and I've chosen to do the thing.

00:35:27.505 --> 00:35:31.445
That I knew was going to make me look the best,

00:35:31.789 --> 00:35:35.710
Oh, so you were gonna make an Instagram post with your swing in slow motion?

00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:36.949
Come on.

00:35:36.989 --> 00:35:37.409
Come on.

00:35:37.420 --> 00:35:38.050
Be honest.

00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:38.500
Be honest.

00:35:38.500 --> 00:35:39.530
It's, it's

00:35:39.666 --> 00:35:47.445
let's say, let's say my skills have been, my, my skills have been really, really, um, lining up with my short game, right?

00:35:47.445 --> 00:35:52.485
So I'm going to go over the short game and hit some like nippy little low spinners from perfect lives, right?

00:35:52.485 --> 00:35:57.436
And just in case if someone watches me, in case someone looks over, right?

00:35:57.465 --> 00:36:00.635
They're going to see me hitting these shots.

00:36:01.661 --> 00:36:13.001
And so the underlying thing there is like, that's me trying to protect my perception of how other people are perceiving me.

00:36:14.550 --> 00:36:15.239
very much.

00:36:15.601 --> 00:36:21.701
the, when you peel the onion back, it's like, okay, well, why, why is that the case?

00:36:21.701 --> 00:36:27.851
Like, almost like, like keep asking why it's like, okay, like other's perceptions over your own.

00:36:28.911 --> 00:36:31.731
That's a very, very common bias turns out.

00:36:32.510 --> 00:36:39.161
humans tend to, some humans, and not everyone's the case, and it changes from activity to activity.

00:36:39.161 --> 00:36:46.061
But many of us, when it comes to how we're perceived, we value others perceptions over our own.

00:36:47.271 --> 00:36:47.701
Right?

00:36:48.101 --> 00:36:50.260
And so, a big domino.

00:36:50.271 --> 00:36:55.900
It's like, hey, like, is other people's perceptions relevant the task?

00:36:56.556 --> 00:36:57.346
The answer is no.

00:36:58.385 --> 00:36:58.795
Uh,

00:36:58.880 --> 00:36:58.889
hmm.

00:36:58.889 --> 00:36:59.789
Zero percent.

00:36:59.976 --> 00:37:00.635
better?

00:37:00.876 --> 00:37:01.956
Right, exactly.

00:37:02.365 --> 00:37:06.056
Does worrying about what other people think make you feel better or worse?

00:37:07.186 --> 00:37:07.695
Worse.

00:37:07.885 --> 00:37:11.016
Do you perform better or worse?

00:37:11.425 --> 00:37:11.824
Worse.

00:37:12.275 --> 00:37:12.596
right?

00:37:12.596 --> 00:37:15.576
So like, again, you're asking people these questions.

00:37:16.431 --> 00:37:23.141
very just like, and you got to be honest with them and probably be in a safe space to where they're feel open to, to actually answering them.

00:37:24.010 --> 00:37:33.481
But if you can just ask these, like kind of very sort of like leading honest questions, can really get someone to kind of turn around their behaviors.

00:37:33.601 --> 00:37:36.501
Um, so I think that's a, that's a big one.

00:37:37.630 --> 00:37:45.751
I think, uh, when it comes to, when it comes to mindset, I think, I mean, gosh, there's so, there's so many that we could go down.

00:37:45.820 --> 00:37:48.356
Um, Why are, why are we here?

00:37:48.786 --> 00:37:53.215
Are you here to, to find a guarantee, That's another good

00:37:53.304 --> 00:37:53.815
Mm hmm.

00:37:53.985 --> 00:37:57.106
like, Do you believe that there is a guarantee?

00:37:57.465 --> 00:37:59.565
And then the answer is, is no, right?

00:37:59.576 --> 00:38:06.465
So there's, there's no guarantee that if you swing the club in this way that you're gonna hit the shot that you want, right?

00:38:06.905 --> 00:38:13.956
There's no guarantee that if you work hard, you're gonna get the results that you want, right?

00:38:14.826 --> 00:38:24.626
There is no guarantee that if you subscribe to this training program, right, you're going to get to this point at this point in time, right?

00:38:24.626 --> 00:38:30.865
So a lot of times we go down these rabbit holes to try to guarantee outcome, right?

00:38:30.865 --> 00:38:41.295
And again, oftentimes that, that search for a guarantee is really what it is, is it's avoiding a future outcome that we're not willing to accept.

00:38:41.815 --> 00:38:44.166
It's typically what it is, right?

00:38:44.166 --> 00:38:47.346
So I had a, I had a lesson with, uh, with a student just last week.

00:38:49.726 --> 00:38:55.215
and he just came to me and was like, you know, I've got to eliminate the ball going right.

00:38:55.965 --> 00:38:58.576
I have to, have to eliminate it,

00:39:00.554 --> 00:39:04.715
Zero golfers in history have eliminated the ball going right, but yeah.

00:39:05.266 --> 00:39:11.826
I basically come in and say like, Hey, like I, I'm looking to guarantee that I don't hit that shot again.

00:39:13.231 --> 00:39:13.840
And so what was

00:39:13.934 --> 00:39:14.304
Mm

00:39:14.510 --> 00:39:17.960
is like on the range, on the range, he was actually hitting it fine.

00:39:18.121 --> 00:39:18.481
Like

00:39:18.684 --> 00:39:18.695
hmm.

00:39:18.704 --> 00:39:19.155
Mm

00:39:19.251 --> 00:39:21.931
hit a couple balls right of target, a couple balls left of target.

00:39:21.940 --> 00:39:23.641
He's talking about a big miss to the right.

00:39:23.724 --> 00:39:24.105
hmm.

00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:30.811
And uh, I mean he's, he was performing to, I'd say about a five handicap.

00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.431
Uh, but when I asked him his average score, he said low nineties, high

00:39:37.684 --> 00:39:38.135
Mm

00:39:38.851 --> 00:39:39.010
right?

00:39:39.010 --> 00:39:41.521
So on the range, right, the huge discrepancy.

00:39:43.201 --> 00:39:53.800
So, turns out when he's going on the golf course, he has a mindset around, Okay, if I hit that out of bounds shot to the right, I'm basically cooked for the day.

00:39:54.224 --> 00:39:54.235
hmm.

00:39:54.244 --> 00:39:54.715
Mm hmm.

00:39:54.885 --> 00:39:55.295
I'm done.

00:39:55.375 --> 00:39:56.264
Mentally, I'm done.

00:39:56.865 --> 00:39:58.746
you're, you're done, right?

00:39:59.146 --> 00:40:09.326
So that outcome for him become so threatening that he will, he's going into full on avoidance mode on the golf course.

00:40:09.326 --> 00:40:11.425
It's like, okay, I've just got to steer this thing.

00:40:11.425 --> 00:40:19.246
Like I've got to try to guarantee I've got to make sure just increasing tension levels, which is making those skills even more variable.

00:40:20.106 --> 00:40:23.085
Um, so we had to have a pretty honest conversations like, Hey, like.

00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:39.460
So before we, before we actually work to reduce that, the frequency of that happening, you've got to understand that there is hundred percent possibility that we could with whatever we do, like you stand on the golf course tomorrow, step on that first tee and hit that same shot.

00:40:41.371 --> 00:40:41.911
You can do it.

00:40:42.204 --> 00:40:42.605
Mm hmm.

00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:45.251
You could do it for the first couple of holes.

00:40:46.471 --> 00:40:48.490
You could do it for all nine holes.

00:40:50.050 --> 00:40:54.981
You could go an 18 hole round that ball uncontrollably to the right.

00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:58.641
Yeah, that would suck.

00:41:00.630 --> 00:41:02.221
Is it truly worth it?

00:41:02.896 --> 00:41:05.815
Like employing this avoidance based strategy.

00:41:05.815 --> 00:41:11.905
And like, I asked him some questions about like, okay, like, how does your swing feel when you just try to steer it out there?

00:41:11.936 --> 00:41:12.476
It's like, oh, it feels.

00:41:13.661 --> 00:41:17.311
Like, I don't swing like that on the range, but on the golf course, it feels awful.

00:41:17.641 --> 00:41:21.221
Like, all right, well, you know, one of the, one of the stories Dr.

00:41:21.221 --> 00:41:33.050
Pryor shared at Code Breaker is like the, um, several, um, of the armed forces use, um, kind of this stage one, stage two, um, regret kind of model.

00:41:34.121 --> 00:41:38.840
And there might actually be a stage three regret, but, um, I only right now remember the first two stages.

00:41:39.311 --> 00:41:43.331
Um, stage one is we did it the way we wanted to do it and it didn't work out.

00:41:44.141 --> 00:41:47.650
Which I personally wouldn't even call regret, but that's what, that's what they call it.

00:41:48.530 --> 00:41:54.871
two is we, we didn't do it the way we wanted to do it and it didn't work out.

00:41:55.701 --> 00:41:56.391
Which is

00:41:57.284 --> 00:41:57.755
That's

00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.021
that's the one that they're, that's the one that they're trying to eliminate.

00:42:01.050 --> 00:42:05.541
Like they're trying to reduce as much as possible is.

00:42:06.851 --> 00:42:16.721
If they go off mission, like if they go off of the, uh, like their procedure or kind of the operation and they lose someone like that is unacceptable to them.

00:42:16.721 --> 00:42:24.190
Whereas, you know, they are accepting prior to going into that mission is like, okay, we're going to do this thing the way that we've decided to do it.

00:42:24.670 --> 00:42:27.400
If we lose someone, that's going to suck.

00:42:28.460 --> 00:42:31.451
It's, we're not going to lose someone because we went.

00:42:31.831 --> 00:42:32.371
Off script

00:42:32.614 --> 00:42:32.905
Mm hmm.

00:42:33.110 --> 00:42:38.221
decided to prioritize this outcome the mission.

00:42:38.724 --> 00:42:39.085
Yeah.

00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:40.911
and so again, that's what it is.

00:42:40.911 --> 00:42:46.990
It's just prioritizing the outcome the processes that make the outcome more or less likely.

00:42:47.621 --> 00:42:47.871
And so,

00:42:47.885 --> 00:42:48.224
Mm hmm.

00:42:48.351 --> 00:42:51.751
course, of course, the, the outcome is important to us.

00:42:51.751 --> 00:42:53.010
Of course, we want to hit the fairway.

00:42:53.010 --> 00:42:53.940
Of course, we want to hit the green.

00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:55.380
Of course, we want to shoot low scores.

00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.460
Like, of course, those things are important to us.

00:42:58.981 --> 00:43:00.291
Um, but are they relevant?

00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:01.670
Right.

00:43:01.670 --> 00:43:02.610
And the answer is.

00:43:02.996 --> 00:43:06.706
No, because outcomes are by definition always off time.

00:43:07.525 --> 00:43:13.786
So outcomes always happened or haven't happened yet,

00:43:14.304 --> 00:43:14.864
Interesting.

00:43:14.905 --> 00:43:15.204
Yeah.

00:43:15.315 --> 00:43:15.596
right?

00:43:15.744 --> 00:43:16.034
Mm hmm.

00:43:16.034 --> 00:43:16.717
Yeah.

00:43:16.717 --> 00:43:18.085
Mm hmm.

00:43:18.155 --> 00:43:19.576
they are always off time.

00:43:19.606 --> 00:43:23.985
Therefore, are irrelevant to the task.

00:43:24.036 --> 00:43:27.465
Again, difference between being important to us and being relevant.

00:43:28.096 --> 00:43:29.516
They are not relevant.

00:43:29.585 --> 00:43:32.396
You do not need to be placing your attention on outcome.

00:43:32.456 --> 00:43:43.025
Um, and I just think that's, that's such an important distinction between what's important versus what's relevant.

00:43:43.985 --> 00:43:52.226
The best players in the world are able to filter out what is relevant, better than all of us, essentially, right?

00:43:53.056 --> 00:43:55.666
Scotty Scheffler, he was in jail, right?

00:43:55.666 --> 00:43:59.635
He literally got sent to jail the morning of the, was it the PGA

00:43:59.824 --> 00:44:00.824
PGA Championship.

00:44:00.824 --> 00:44:01.094
Yeah.

00:44:01.686 --> 00:44:02.525
PGA championship?

00:44:02.525 --> 00:44:02.715
Yeah.

00:44:02.914 --> 00:44:02.925
hmm.

00:44:02.971 --> 00:44:06.110
Warming up in his jail cell, right?

00:44:06.690 --> 00:44:11.101
So, was able to, that day, still shoot, what did he shoot?

00:44:11.101 --> 00:44:11.911
67?

00:44:11.954 --> 00:44:12.715
Shot under par.

00:44:12.715 --> 00:44:13.085
Yeah.

00:44:13.085 --> 00:44:13.114
Yeah.

00:44:13.114 --> 00:44:13.974
A shot under par.

00:44:14.074 --> 00:44:14.324
Yep.

00:44:15.184 --> 00:44:15.695
It's crazy.

00:44:16.041 --> 00:44:20.061
So, he was, so, you talk about filtering out what's irrelevant?

00:44:21.701 --> 00:44:23.340
Like, that's a master class in that.

00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:30.351
I mean, it's, there's nobody better on earth than filtering out irrelevant information, I think, than Scotty.

00:44:31.364 --> 00:44:33.780
You know Yeah, I think he's the best.

00:44:33.820 --> 00:44:42.289
I mean, I do this with junior golfers and, and frankly, I could probably do it with, with adult golfers too, but it's just the relationships a little different, right?

00:44:42.289 --> 00:44:48.460
Like you get, you get a 14 year old boy in your, in your bay, who's trying to make his varsity golf team.

00:44:48.460 --> 00:44:53.420
And, you know, and they, and you're like, they're saying things and you're like, that doesn't matter.

00:44:53.420 --> 00:44:53.909
That doesn't matter.

00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.429
You know, in your mind, you're like, not relevant, not relevant, not relevant, not relevant.

00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.905
So, you know, I'll draw a diagram, right?

00:45:00.905 --> 00:45:06.454
Like I just draw a diagram or we make a list of like, I'll say, well, how does this affect your score?

00:45:06.485 --> 00:45:06.695
Right?

00:45:06.695 --> 00:45:07.954
Like, how does this affect me?

00:45:08.335 --> 00:45:08.695
Right?

00:45:09.054 --> 00:45:13.864
Does it go inside what matters in the circle or does it go outside the circle of what matters?

00:45:14.394 --> 00:45:16.074
And so I do this.

00:45:16.315 --> 00:45:16.965
I don't do it all the time.

00:45:16.974 --> 00:45:18.195
I do it when necessary.

00:45:18.385 --> 00:45:18.625
Right?

00:45:19.144 --> 00:45:20.605
Um, it's powerful.

00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:26.269
When they, and they take it home and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, like that wasn't relevant.

00:45:26.690 --> 00:45:33.019
This, this was really like, you know, well, Eric, I couldn't warm up, you know, there wasn't any time to, well, did anybody warm up?

00:45:33.329 --> 00:45:33.730
No.

00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:34.170
Okay.

00:45:34.230 --> 00:45:38.250
So like, you know, we, we kind of go through all these different parts of their story

00:45:38.420 --> 00:45:38.570
of

00:45:38.670 --> 00:45:40.829
to get them just focused on what matters.

00:45:40.829 --> 00:45:41.110
Right.

00:45:41.195 --> 00:45:41.476
what

00:45:41.579 --> 00:45:46.190
Because they're just worried about everything and I think that that's golfers just in general.

00:45:46.380 --> 00:45:49.679
There's a lot to get focused on There's a lot out there.

00:45:50.250 --> 00:45:57.039
There's all kinds of things you could be distracted by so many things that are irrelevant to your score and

00:45:57.266 --> 00:45:57.766
a hundred percent.

00:45:57.766 --> 00:46:04.458
My

00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.320
Like that could not be any less relevant Right?

00:46:07.570 --> 00:46:12.030
Like even as a golf pro chipping on the chipping green, like, Oh, someone sees me.

00:46:12.030 --> 00:46:12.789
I'm the golf pro.

00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:13.639
Like I better do this.

00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:15.900
Well, like it's still irrelevant.

00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:16.320
Yeah.

00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:17.079
It's still irrelevant.

00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:22.070
So you have to, and this goes back to the thing about the golf swing stuff.

00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:27.085
It's just like, to your point, No, at P3,

00:46:27.269 --> 00:46:27.992
is going

00:46:28.155 --> 00:46:30.304
this and that, like all this stuff we see,

00:46:30.516 --> 00:46:31.239
percent true.

00:46:31.494 --> 00:46:32.945
it's not going to guarantee you anything.

00:46:33.175 --> 00:46:33.514
Right?

00:46:33.764 --> 00:46:34.125
video.

00:46:34.324 --> 00:46:42.454
that you're, you're telling the story about a guy who's fixated on where he doesn't want his ball to go when he's playing golf and you can't

00:46:42.576 --> 00:46:43.235
not feel good.

00:46:43.405 --> 00:46:45.875
does not feel we've all been there.

00:46:45.875 --> 00:46:46.505
By the way.

00:46:46.655 --> 00:46:48.344
I know this because I've been there.

00:46:48.664 --> 00:46:49.675
I've been there too.

00:46:49.934 --> 00:46:53.005
I had a big right miss, but at the end of the day.

00:46:53.005 --> 00:46:53.045
Okay.

00:46:53.500 --> 00:46:57.340
You can't focus on what you don't want to have happen, right?

00:46:57.650 --> 00:47:00.320
You have to focus on what you do want to have happen.

00:47:00.690 --> 00:47:05.199
And that's a positive mindset that helps you, guides you through this whole process.

00:47:05.619 --> 00:47:13.010
And hopefully, hopefully the things you do want to have happen are also relevant at the same time, because there could be an irrelevant part of that equation.

00:47:13.570 --> 00:47:14.059
So,

00:47:15.405 --> 00:47:26.416
And just the things that the things that I got two other things that that are coming to mind as you're talking, again, the things that are irrelevant are off time, right?

00:47:26.416 --> 00:47:41.320
So if we think about things that that haven't happened yet, I think it's helpful to reiterate the fact that the future is Always uncertain again, like when it comes to the skills, I don't care who you are.

00:47:41.331 --> 00:47:49.570
You, you don't know, you never know exactly where the bottom of the swing is going to be in space.

00:47:51.706 --> 00:47:53.675
You don't know, right?

00:47:53.675 --> 00:47:57.635
You don't know exactly where the club face is going to be relative to the path at impact.

00:47:58.739 --> 00:47:59.809
definitely don't know that.

00:47:59.809 --> 00:48:00.965
Mm hmm.

00:48:00.965 --> 00:48:02.119
Mm hmm.

00:48:02.715 --> 00:48:04.215
prior to swinging the golf club.

00:48:04.646 --> 00:48:10.896
And there is nothing that anyone can tell you that will make you know prior to swinging the golf club.

00:48:11.666 --> 00:48:12.106
All right.

00:48:13.346 --> 00:48:15.186
For some of you, this might be sounding like I'm.

00:48:17.646 --> 00:48:22.195
Kicking your cat or something like the almost like I'm telling you Santa Claus isn't real, right?

00:48:23.275 --> 00:48:35.335
Because this is like what people go when people get in really really dark and stormy places in their golf game It's when they're trying to find certainty in something that is always uncertain

00:48:35.659 --> 00:48:35.949
Mm hmm.

00:48:36.735 --> 00:48:44.300
Right and so then the the belief becomes oh, I have to control everything that I can that I possibly can, right?

00:48:45.081 --> 00:48:48.231
so that becomes control or I just have to control everything.

00:48:48.231 --> 00:48:51.041
So I got to control the future, which means I need to worry about it.

00:48:51.521 --> 00:48:54.190
I have to control the past, which means I need to ruminate about it.

00:48:54.590 --> 00:48:54.831
Right?

00:48:54.831 --> 00:49:01.471
I need to control all of these things, maybe that are on time, but not relevant, right?

00:49:01.471 --> 00:49:04.610
So it just becomes this laundry list of conditions, right?

00:49:04.681 --> 00:49:15.041
And this is another, he said, if you hear people say common things like, if I can just do this if I can just do this, right?

00:49:15.349 --> 00:49:15.739
Yeah.

00:49:15.771 --> 00:49:16.030
know what?

00:49:16.030 --> 00:49:17.940
If I could just do, if I could just do that.

00:49:18.610 --> 00:49:21.800
If I can just do that, then I'll be able to enjoy the game.

00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:30.161
These are the people, this is, this is not the people, but this is the state mind that we're talking about.

00:49:30.371 --> 00:49:38.851
That is very common that we see every day is like all of these conditions that we believe that we have to impose upon ourselves in order to play well.

00:49:39.340 --> 00:49:44.501
And we went through, it was kind of a fun little exercise I did with a, with another attendee.

00:49:44.940 --> 00:49:50.291
Part of the thing we love about code breakers is that talent, there's a lot of talent in the room, right?

00:49:50.291 --> 00:49:50.911
So you get to.

00:49:51.505 --> 00:49:54.135
To brainstorm with other kind of like minded folks.

00:49:55.425 --> 00:50:00.806
We were talking about what are the actual conditions to playing your best?

00:50:02.335 --> 00:50:04.445
All right, well, number one, you got to get to the tee on time.

00:50:05.445 --> 00:50:07.326
You got to get to the first tee on time, right?

00:50:07.326 --> 00:50:07.956
Got to do that.

00:50:08.815 --> 00:50:09.936
You got to have all your clubs.

00:50:11.626 --> 00:50:15.335
You gotta have at least however many clubs you need to play, right?

00:50:16.106 --> 00:50:18.775
Um, you gotta have a certain number of golf balls.

00:50:19.155 --> 00:50:20.326
I don't know how many, right?

00:50:20.346 --> 00:50:21.876
But you need to have golf balls, right?

00:50:23.846 --> 00:50:24.646
don't need a tee.

00:50:24.925 --> 00:50:26.235
You can play golf without a tee.

00:50:26.965 --> 00:50:28.195
You can play golf without a glove.

00:50:28.206 --> 00:50:29.646
You can play golf without a warm up.

00:50:29.695 --> 00:50:33.786
You can play golf Without liking your playing competitors, you can

00:50:33.909 --> 00:50:33.920
Mm

00:50:33.976 --> 00:50:34.255
golf

00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:34.440
hmm.

00:50:35.206 --> 00:50:37.096
having good weather, right?

00:50:37.255 --> 00:50:42.385
You can't play in lightning, but you can play all sorts of different conditions.

00:50:43.326 --> 00:50:45.416
You don't have to have a certain cut of grass.

00:50:45.425 --> 00:51:03.001
You don't have to have a certain wind direction, you know, like all of these things like there's pretty few conditions that are actually true to playing your best and again, like The, the Scotty thing kind of what made me talk about like, cause if people think, Oh, I've got to have this 45 minute warmup and I've got it.

00:51:03.481 --> 00:51:11.260
Oh, and then another one that you hear like that, that I see all the time is like people practice to try to find that, like, Oh, I've, I've got to hit a couple of good ones.

00:51:11.490 --> 00:51:14.021
Just to tell me that tomorrow is going to be okay.

00:51:14.250 --> 00:51:14.679
Right.

00:51:15.030 --> 00:51:15.840
that certainty.

00:51:16.431 --> 00:51:18.280
And this is where you're like, all right, last ball.

00:51:18.351 --> 00:51:19.650
And they hit it off the toe.

00:51:19.681 --> 00:51:20.871
Like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:21.621
Last ball.

00:51:21.659 --> 00:51:22.519
Got a hand on a good one.

00:51:22.670 --> 00:51:23.291
keep going.

00:51:23.291 --> 00:51:23.791
Keep going.

00:51:23.791 --> 00:51:24.221
You got it.

00:51:24.221 --> 00:51:26.740
And like, I've stopped doing that completely.

00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:30.190
Like, no, you do not have to end on a good one.

00:51:30.610 --> 00:51:34.291
What happens if you're playing the 18th hole and your last full swing is a shank.

00:51:36.146 --> 00:51:36.405
Right?

00:51:36.416 --> 00:51:38.675
You're going to be ending on that shank, right?

00:51:39.155 --> 00:51:40.856
And you've got to pre accept.

00:51:41.146 --> 00:51:41.706
Here's the deal.

00:51:41.706 --> 00:51:53.456
Again, if it's when we don't pre accept everything or in anything and everything that could possibly happen, is when we start creating like these very, very kind of conditional avoidance strategies.

00:51:54.246 --> 00:51:59.615
have to be willing to accept, not have to, but like to be helpful.

00:52:00.351 --> 00:52:00.601
Right?

00:52:00.641 --> 00:52:01.280
Could be helpful.

00:52:02.190 --> 00:52:03.471
If we accept,

00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:04.449
be willing to.

00:52:04.510 --> 00:52:04.750
Yeah.

00:52:06.300 --> 00:52:24.641
we could strive to, we could strive toward, uh, again, I'm trying not to impose conditions on people, but it's hard, um, we could, we, we could strive toward all potential future outcomes.

00:52:25.275 --> 00:52:25.545
Right?

00:52:25.556 --> 00:52:28.215
It's like a radical acceptance, right?

00:52:28.255 --> 00:52:31.195
Because people like they judge the shot.

00:52:31.635 --> 00:52:35.346
They judge every single shot is either and they know they're going to do it beforehand.

00:52:35.405 --> 00:52:35.615
Right?

00:52:35.615 --> 00:52:37.255
And that's where a lot of this anxiety comes in.

00:52:37.255 --> 00:52:38.335
It's like, all right, here we go.

00:52:38.606 --> 00:52:40.166
Is it going to be a good one or a bad one?

00:52:40.786 --> 00:52:41.016
Right?

00:52:41.016 --> 00:52:47.206
And just like stop, like just play around a golf where it's just like, okay, the ball was the here.

00:52:47.916 --> 00:52:49.115
is currently there.

00:52:50.746 --> 00:52:51.396
End of sentence.

00:52:51.505 --> 00:52:51.945
Stop.

00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:53.559
That's it.

00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:54.630
It

00:52:54.815 --> 00:52:55.045
right?

00:52:55.045 --> 00:52:55.755
The ball was here.

00:52:55.806 --> 00:52:56.376
Now it's there.

00:52:57.295 --> 00:53:02.425
All right, now the task is, can you put one foot in front of the other until you get to the golf ball?

00:53:03.155 --> 00:53:13.335
Put your clubs down, figure out how far you're going to hit it, out what direction you're going to hit it, take your club out, do whatever you hit the shot, right?

00:53:13.396 --> 00:53:17.516
And then wherever that ball went is now where the ball is and go do that, right?

00:53:17.516 --> 00:53:18.806
And just repeat that.

00:53:20.340 --> 00:53:23.041
And just get out of this judgment, right?

00:53:23.050 --> 00:53:25.650
This, this, that was a good shot.

00:53:25.661 --> 00:53:26.501
That was a bad shot.

00:53:26.510 --> 00:53:42.530
Again, if it feels good to our brain to tell us that the shot was good, but the problem is that it's a double edged sword, because if you're always judging it when it's good, it's going to make you feel twice as crappy when you're judging, by the way, golf, you're going to hit more.

00:53:42.815 --> 00:53:54.976
Shots that you're going to perceive as poor relative to the ones that you perceive as great You're going to be beating yourself up the entire it's it's not worth it I can probably see like the high that you get from like saying.

00:53:54.976 --> 00:54:04.266
Oh, that was amazing is not worth low that you get from beating yourself up constantly throughout a round of golf.

00:54:04.706 --> 00:54:13.436
And I'm not saying don't enjoy good shots, but enjoy playing shots for the enjoyment of the feeling of playing the shot itself.

00:54:13.436 --> 00:54:19.775
Like, I guarantee you, when you hit the ball out the center of the face, that feels a heck of a lot more pleasurable than hitting out the toe or the heel.

00:54:20.425 --> 00:54:29.806
Or like, when the ball goes in the direction that you want, generally, feels a heck of a lot more fun and better than when the ball's not.

00:54:30.275 --> 00:54:30.565
Right?

00:54:30.615 --> 00:54:32.221
And just I appreciate that.

00:54:32.271 --> 00:54:42.110
I've told players like, Hey, you can go a, have the best burger in town and enjoy the burger, but you don't have to write a review, right?

00:54:42.110 --> 00:54:47.471
You can go to a restaurant and have a like the food took forever, right?

00:54:47.471 --> 00:54:48.900
It was undercooked, whatever.

00:54:49.661 --> 00:54:53.331
can say, all right, well, I caught him on a bad night, right?

00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:55.690
Or just, I got a bad, I got a bad one.

00:54:56.501 --> 00:54:58.811
All right, but you don't have to leave a review.

00:54:59.701 --> 00:55:01.380
Like All right.

00:55:01.380 --> 00:55:01.561
Yeah.

00:55:01.561 --> 00:55:03.021
I was just one, right?

00:55:03.021 --> 00:55:06.150
You don't have to label yourself as a bad golfer or a great golfer.

00:55:06.161 --> 00:55:12.610
You don't have like all these subjective opinions that we're layering on top of this are not helping in my opinion.

00:55:13.150 --> 00:55:14.920
So I guess that was, that was my rant.

00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.101
So in rant

00:55:16.190 --> 00:55:17.030
was a good, good.

00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:18.360
We're ranting tonight.

00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.400
We won't rant all the time, but you know, every now and again we rant.

00:55:21.409 --> 00:55:21.900
It's okay.

00:55:22.510 --> 00:55:26.940
Um, that's because we are so, we desire.

00:55:27.445 --> 00:55:35.565
Everyone to enjoy the game because we and I enjoy it at a high at a very high level and all we ever.

00:55:35.565 --> 00:55:39.576
playing the game, like literally just playing the game is enjoyable,

00:55:39.704 --> 00:55:40.715
Oh, my gosh.

00:55:40.764 --> 00:55:42.985
I mean, just being in nature.

00:55:43.045 --> 00:55:44.735
Yeah, we're, we're gonna get to that.

00:55:44.784 --> 00:55:55.684
You know, you get those feelings this time of year because, you know, here we have the dormant Bermuda grass and it, you know, it's starting to, you know, come into starting to turn green and then.

00:55:56.324 --> 00:56:09.894
You know, the trees are blooming and the leaves start popping out and the sunshine is out and the days are warmer and like, you start to realize what it is you, why you connect to this game so much, right?

00:56:09.945 --> 00:56:13.355
Because you're, you're in this environment that's so inspiring.

00:56:13.355 --> 00:56:18.195
It feels so, you know, it's just, it's just good for your whole soul in my opinion.

00:56:18.195 --> 00:56:18.355
Right?

00:56:18.364 --> 00:56:24.625
Like, my, my opinion, there's one, there's going to be one sport in heaven and it's golf, like, period, like, it's.

00:56:25.034 --> 00:56:26.764
It's the Lord's game is my opinion.

00:56:26.844 --> 00:56:31.284
So, like, you know, you, you just, you feel that you feel it when you're playing it.

00:56:31.284 --> 00:56:32.894
It's meant to be in nature.

00:56:33.364 --> 00:56:42.934
And it's like, if we go out there and we lose that, that context, if we lose that, like, everything turns into a judgment on our self worth.

00:56:42.934 --> 00:56:44.094
Every time we had a shot and we.

00:56:44.489 --> 00:56:50.159
We forget like how blessed we are to just be on a beautiful piece of property hitting a golf shot.

00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:50.690
Like it's,

00:56:50.766 --> 00:56:51.456
yes.

00:56:51.619 --> 00:56:51.989
cool.

00:56:51.989 --> 00:56:56.469
And I think if we can always keep that in mind, you're going to play better.

00:56:56.539 --> 00:56:58.269
You're going to play in a more enjoyable way.

00:56:58.269 --> 00:56:59.440
You'll play freer.

00:56:59.900 --> 00:57:00.719
You'll play better.

00:57:00.730 --> 00:57:01.530
Probably.

00:57:01.579 --> 00:57:03.789
I mean, there's no guarantees as you said, but like,

00:57:03.936 --> 00:57:04.326
gosh.

00:57:04.356 --> 00:57:13.626
And that's, we, we didn't get even into that, but like there's been, know, when you talk about the, the effects of being off time versus on time.

00:57:13.626 --> 00:57:14.585
So like when you're present.

00:57:14.740 --> 00:57:25.630
And typically the downstream effects of being present is going to be drastically reduced tension levels, improvement of the quality of your breath.

00:57:25.871 --> 00:57:26.161
All right.

00:57:26.161 --> 00:57:27.831
So going back to Dr.

00:57:27.831 --> 00:57:29.221
Mike K, okay.

00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:35.411
Your swing literally feels easier, freer, and more fun.

00:57:35.420 --> 00:57:43.621
Like literally the act of swinging the golf club feels like a fun activity or a more fun activity when you're present.

00:57:43.891 --> 00:58:01.791
Like Um, from start to finish, like, Hey, like if you can stay present to whatever you're doing from that club breaks away to the end of the swing, I can promise you it's going to be a more fun and enjoyable experience than if you're always saying, okay, I've got to make sure this outcome doesn't happen.

00:58:02.610 --> 00:58:05.440
got to make sure that prior outcome doesn't happen again.

00:58:06.101 --> 00:58:09.590
I've got to make sure this looks like a good swing in front of my buddies.

00:58:09.650 --> 00:58:16.911
Or I've got to like make sure that I do these 16 things that I've, that I've been told that I have to do.

00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:17.251
Right?

00:58:17.641 --> 00:58:25.451
Like though, that does not feel as much fun as, uh, or is that, or is nearly as effective as being present.

00:58:26.606 --> 00:58:28.135
And on time and on task.

00:58:28.965 --> 00:58:29.925
No question about it.

00:58:29.934 --> 00:58:37.764
So I guess our rants today were really about how we tend to get in our own way when it comes to our golf performance.

00:58:37.764 --> 00:58:37.974
Right?

00:58:37.974 --> 00:58:40.434
I mean, that kind of, kind of what we were talking about.

00:58:40.465 --> 00:58:42.425
will be a, like a mindset constraint, right?

00:58:42.445 --> 00:58:42.675
Like

00:58:42.934 --> 00:58:43.534
Yeah.

00:58:43.545 --> 00:58:49.965
how fixed, more of like a fixed mindset, can create a constraint.

00:58:50.554 --> 00:58:58.860
And I think that, you know, when we started off with, with my rant on the golf swing stuff, it's just That's part of the whole story, right?

00:58:58.949 --> 00:59:03.960
Like it's part of the, that's part of the mindset too, is like understanding what is relevant to you.

00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:11.639
And, um, and I just kind of feel like, again, just chasing our tails with trying to change our swing every day.

00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:14.750
It's just, it's just not, it's just not, or every swing.

00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:16.800
Hey, I've got this new swing.

00:59:16.980 --> 00:59:17.429
Okay.

00:59:18.739 --> 00:59:19.179
Okay.

00:59:20.219 --> 00:59:22.469
Um, but at the end of the day.

00:59:22.965 --> 00:59:28.695
Yeah, you've got to be a little weary about who you're listening to when it comes to that, what their intentions are.

00:59:28.974 --> 00:59:29.324
Right.

00:59:29.804 --> 00:59:41.684
Um, and make sure that you're well aware that you should only be listening to people that are really, truly invested in your performance.

00:59:41.755 --> 00:59:42.094
Right?

00:59:42.105 --> 00:59:43.795
Like, that's, that's the way I would look at it.

00:59:44.865 --> 00:59:55.536
and if you're going to change your swing, if you're going to go down that rabbit hole, just make sure it wasn't the very first thing, number one, then number two, make sure we're doing it for the right reasons.

00:59:55.795 --> 01:00:18.300
So a couple of things that I share with my players is like, we change swing when It's going to reduce the likelihood of injury or if like there's a way that we get you moving the club that Alleviates pain right so that's going to be a great reason to change swing We change swing to make it more efficient terms of clubhead speed or ball speed, right?

01:00:18.300 --> 01:00:20.050
So less perceived effort,

01:00:20.304 --> 01:00:21.744
Mm hmm.

01:00:21.851 --> 01:00:22.650
more ball speed.

01:00:23.391 --> 01:00:28.050
And then third, we do it to bias your skills in a desirable way or like a

01:00:28.125 --> 01:00:28.867
Mm hmm.

01:00:28.867 --> 01:00:30.014
Mm hmm.

01:00:30.041 --> 01:00:42.760
if you're, if your swing is really biasing your skills in a certain way, we can change your swing or we can improve your swing or however you want to think about to adapt and change the bias of those skills.

01:00:43.371 --> 01:00:51.141
But it is not, we do not change swing to guarantee an avoidance of outcomes that we don't.

01:00:52.355 --> 01:00:52.644
Mm hmm.

01:00:52.655 --> 01:00:52.885
Mm hmm.

01:00:53.880 --> 01:01:03.871
And that's, that's the biggest thing is like, you know, Oh, if I just do this, it's going to make then this feature outcome, not willing to upset, except is, is not going to happen.

01:01:04.431 --> 01:01:06.251
There is no swing on earth.

01:01:06.481 --> 01:01:09.311
There's no such thing as a golf swing that that can do that.

01:01:10.824 --> 01:01:11.065
Yeah.

01:01:11.065 --> 01:01:12.224
There's no guarantees.

01:01:12.264 --> 01:01:22.025
And I think that's the That, that's the crux of this episode, think that was, that was the, uh, that was the whole point.

01:01:22.224 --> 01:01:23.695
So, thank you, Rob Fales.

01:01:23.695 --> 01:01:24.945
I think that worked out pretty well.

01:01:25.061 --> 01:01:25.400
Thank you.

01:01:25.454 --> 01:01:26.494
Anything else you want to add?

01:01:26.494 --> 01:01:35.724
I mean, do you have any other names you wanted to add to the, um, potential list who you're thinking of at the 1 1 in the, uh, Dynasty Superflex League?

01:01:35.735 --> 01:01:36.844
I mean, I've got some other names.

01:01:36.844 --> 01:01:43.255
Like, I'm a big fan of the, of the running back from Boise, and I know we haven't seen him on the field yet, but man.

01:01:45.411 --> 01:01:46.081
can't do

01:01:46.244 --> 01:01:47.704
I'm just going to tag, I'm just going to

01:01:48.391 --> 01:01:49.581
superflex.

01:01:49.744 --> 01:01:52.324
I'm just gonna tell you right now, get a special.

01:01:52.565 --> 01:01:53.324
Get a special.

01:01:53.925 --> 01:01:54.565
Write it down.

01:01:54.690 --> 01:01:55.371
he's special.

01:01:55.371 --> 01:01:57.851
He just hasn't, again, I could,

01:01:57.994 --> 01:01:58.534
tackle him.

01:01:58.731 --> 01:02:02.005
I could, I could see, oh my gosh, the stiff arm.

01:02:02.635 --> 01:02:03.025
He's,

01:02:03.065 --> 01:02:03.376
I don't

01:02:03.585 --> 01:02:05.114
he's a, he's impossible to tackle.

01:02:05.324 --> 01:02:13.505
He, the Penn State played him, if you go back and watch the Penn State game, Penn State bottled him up for the most part.

01:02:13.514 --> 01:02:18.985
Like, every time he got the ball, there was four people, and Penn State has athletes that Boise State couldn't, couldn't handle, right?

01:02:18.985 --> 01:02:21.599
Like, These people are outrageous athletes.

01:02:22.710 --> 01:02:29.050
He still ran for a bunch of yards and made like, he still had like 12 four Smiths tackles in the game.

01:02:29.050 --> 01:02:32.840
Like in a game where he was bottled up, like it was outrageous.

01:02:32.860 --> 01:02:33.869
Like this guy.

01:02:34.429 --> 01:02:35.380
is outrageous.

01:02:35.449 --> 01:02:35.949
He's

01:02:36.545 --> 01:02:37.306
their contact.

01:02:37.530 --> 01:02:39.000
no, he's contact balance.

01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:40.090
Yeah, you can't tackle him.

01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:40.929
He's super strong.

01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:42.130
I don't know what the deal is.

01:02:42.130 --> 01:02:45.420
Contact balance, whatever there's something he has.

01:02:45.429 --> 01:02:46.320
He has it.

01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:50.630
It's like Ebbets Smith a little bit in that way, but he might be a little faster than him.

01:02:50.659 --> 01:02:51.159
I don't know.

01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:53.300
It's he's pretty impressive.

01:02:54.260 --> 01:02:55.389
Anybody else you were thinking?

01:02:55.425 --> 01:02:56.036
be Jayden.

01:02:56.746 --> 01:02:58.255
gonna, it's probably gonna be Jayden.

01:02:58.755 --> 01:03:01.036
Probably gonna be Jayden, which I'll be happy with.

01:03:02.150 --> 01:03:03.809
Yeah, go, go, go with your guy.

01:03:03.900 --> 01:03:04.550
Go with your guy.

01:03:04.659 --> 01:03:06.170
It'll be fun to root for for the next.

01:03:06.769 --> 01:03:08.489
Hey, if he's your guy, you gotta go with your guy.

01:03:09.369 --> 01:03:10.909
Well, people, thanks for tuning in.

01:03:10.909 --> 01:03:13.670
If you Thoughts for Robbie on who he should draft.

01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:15.409
I mean, you know, let him know,

01:03:15.496 --> 01:03:16.686
send him in in the next,

01:03:16.809 --> 01:03:17.380
send him in.

01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:18.619
He's got a few days,

01:03:18.726 --> 01:03:19.126
hours.

01:03:20.010 --> 01:03:21.561
No, I've got seven hours.

01:03:21.561 --> 01:03:21.621
It

01:03:21.659 --> 01:03:22.849
seven hours.

01:03:22.849 --> 01:03:23.219
Okay.

01:03:23.219 --> 01:03:26.849
So this episode will not be out before then, but we'll get an update next time.

01:03:27.219 --> 01:03:29.440
And if you want us to do a spinoff show, let us know.

01:03:29.860 --> 01:03:32.449
We've got plenty of degenerate golf professional friends.

01:03:33.655 --> 01:03:34.824
That we could do a show.

01:03:35.244 --> 01:03:36.534
Um, alright, Rob fails.

01:03:36.534 --> 01:03:42.235
Well, thank you for, uh, for indulging me in another episode of the Golf Intervention Podcast.

01:03:42.655 --> 01:03:50.175
Um, appreciate your time and your thoughts and, uh, we will be back again next time with another exciting episode.

01:03:50.474 --> 01:03:51.539
No ranting next time.

01:03:51.539 --> 01:03:53.385
It's gonna be a, it's gonna be more fun.

01:03:53.385 --> 01:03:53.894
Next time.

01:03:53.894 --> 01:03:54.704
Be lighthearted.

01:03:56.291 --> 01:03:56.721
Yeah.

01:03:56.855 --> 01:03:57.545
Take care everybody.

01:03:57.545 --> 01:03:57.784
Hey,

01:03:57.871 --> 01:03:58.260
Cheers.

01:03:58.905 --> 01:03:59.264
cheers.

01:03:59.264 --> 01:03:59.684
Have a great night.