Aug. 14, 2025

EP 49: Choosing the Right Golf Ball + The Wildest Golf Lesson Eric Ever Taught!

EP 49: Choosing the Right Golf Ball + The Wildest Golf Lesson Eric Ever Taught!

Send us a text Episode Description: In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we dive deep into one of the most overlooked parts of your game—the golf ball. From price and performance to the all-important “feel,” we break down how to match the right ball to your skill level—whether you’re a Level 1 beginner, a Level 2 developing player, or a Level 3 advanced golfer. You’ll leave knowing exactly what’s worth your money, what actually improves your scoring potential, and how to avoid getting s...

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Episode Description:
In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we dive deep into one of the most overlooked parts of your game—the golf ball. From price and performance to the all-important “feel,” we break down how to match the right ball to your skill level—whether you’re a Level 1 beginner, a Level 2 developing player, or a Level 3 advanced golfer. You’ll leave knowing exactly what’s worth your money, what actually improves your scoring potential, and how to avoid getting swayed by marketing hype.

Then, stick around for a story you won’t forget—the wildest golf lesson I’ve ever given.  There is a huge take away which will help your performance!

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • Why your golf ball matters more than you think
  • Should you play the same ball all the time?
  • Price: How to balance budget with benefits
  • Performance: How spin, distance, and control vary between balls
  • Feel: Why matching the ball’s feel to your skill level (1, 2, or 3) can improve your game
  • How technology and data can guide you to the perfect match
  • The most outrageous (and educational) lesson I’ve ever taught

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And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast.

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My name is Eric Late, and I am the Director of Golf Instruction at the Country Club of Virginia.

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is Rob fas.

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He is a PGA Elite golf instructor at the Boris Head Resort in Charlottesville, Virginia.

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I'm so glad he is on with me tonight.

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Oh boy.

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I think my, I think my title just changed.

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instructor, like the elitist golf instructor you've ever seen.

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Yes,

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development.

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What is your title?

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I can never get it right.

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Yeah,

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player development leader.

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He's the

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We'll get there someday.

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leader at the Boris Head Resort at Birdwood at UVA in Charlottesville, Virginia.

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And I'm glad to have him on to.

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On today's episode, we are gonna discuss how do you choose a golf ball?

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What are the major considerations based on how you play and what you're looking for a golf ball.

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What are all the major decision points?

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We're gonna try to cover'em today on the episode, and we're also gonna cover the craziest golf lesson I've ever had in my life, which is super crazy and I shared it with Rob fails earlier today.

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I found the email from six years ago, the follow up email from the lesson, I will actually read that verbatim on the show today so you can get a sense of how crazy that lesson was.

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there is a lot to learn.

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From that story.

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So I'm hoping that you all today will get a little bit of insight into some performance stuff here on the Golf Intervention Podcast.

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So how you doing Rob fails in Charlottesville today.

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We're doing great.

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We're doing great.

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Feels like fall.

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I've taken my daughter, one of my kids back to college already.

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She goes a little early'cause she's, on a competitive team and has to be back.

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Oh, nice.

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the weather's been really nice here.

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It's been cool.

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uh, man, it feels, it feels good.

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And I'm ready for fall.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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August 1st, I was drinking pumpkin coffee and lighting pumpkin candles.

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Oh,

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the, the, this

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oh, nice.

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Love it.

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I just feel like I endure the Central Virginia Summers.

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It really is.

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Yeah.

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Survive and advance, right?

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to get to the next day.

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But do like that my kids are home from college.

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That's the best part of the summer.

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But fall is the best time of year, in my opinion.

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So I get anxious and I drink that

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no doubt.

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I.

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It's like a mindset thing, you know, So we had an episode, our last episode we dropped actually this morning, was with Dr.

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Andy Royalty.

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If you haven't checked out that episode, check it out.

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Every time we put out an

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Yeah,

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I think the body and the swing and health and all that, nobody listens to it.

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They're like, nah, I don't need that episode.

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but Dr.

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Andy is a

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I'm good.

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guy when it comes to

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Yeah.

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performance, and, I enjoyed listening to, and there's a lot of nuggets in there.

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So go check that episode out if you have not, and share it with a friend or a golf friend of yours that may have, some pain that they're dealing with or that you notice that they're dealing with.

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'cause it can be helpful and encouraging to hear that there is, a light at the end of that tunnel.

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Maybe if you seek the proper, if you

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Yes.

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So we are gonna start today with a discussion on golf balls.

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We got a question from John Epps, who is a to the show, a student of mine, a subscriber to the Substack, and he asked us on Substack, he says, I am a level two golfer.

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What are the major considerations I need to think about when choosing a golf ball to play?

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So I was thinking back, and this is episode 49, I think, I don't think we've really talked about the golf ball very much.

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Have we?

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Rob fails.

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No, we haven't.

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I mean it,

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Mm-hmm.

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that choosing a golf ball is interesting.

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I think it's pretty easy.

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Get a Titleist, how hard is that?

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Go buy a Titleist, get a Pro V one and play

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Right.

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hard is that?

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Uh,

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Yeah.

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I mean, legitimately.

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we understand that there's lots of considerations when it goes to playing golf balls because.

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There's everything from, some of the marketing stuff that you hear about, you know, is this ball better for slower speeds or higher speeds, or higher launch or lower launch, or more spin or less spin.

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Mm-hmm.

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there's also the price consideration.

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There's the brand consideration.

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You've got direct to consumer golf balls now that are marketing themselves is, just as good

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Yep.

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or whatever you have tailor made.

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And Callaway really pushing hard.

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To take,, some of that golf ball market from title issues just always dominated

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, really good

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Yeah.

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out there.

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And so I think there are some considerations when you're talking about the golf ball.

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'cause that's a very big part of the equipment.

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And so if we go, maybe we could go the old school golf intervention route on this one, Rob, and go, Hey.

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Here's your

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Yeah.

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level one player and then level two player and

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Mm-hmm.

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player, and,

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Yeah.

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would be a really good way to take it on.

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And also kind of balancing out the other thing, which is A, does it matter?

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And B, is a more expensive ball, a better golf ball?

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And,, you all could take,, this for what it's worth, we're gonna give you

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Yeah.

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opinion on all that.

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Hopefully you can take that information and use it to your ability to purchase a golf ball that you think will be best for you.

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So, level three consideration, or excuse me, level one.

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We'll start at level one, which is

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Yeah, let's start level one.

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of a beginner golfer or some to somewhere around

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Mm-hmm.

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who's a bogey golfer.

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Um, shooting in the nineties, high

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Yeah.

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So.

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I think it's fair to say when you're starting off golf,

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Oh, you just,

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whatever you can find or people give to you, probably not a bad idea.

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Um, just playing the game, just getting any equipment is good, right?

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You're piecing

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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potentially to see if you really like the game as a beginner, and then, as you play more, and really the golf ball that point doesn't matter really that much, right?

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You're not making great contact most of the time.

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Consistency in the flight isn't that important.

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I will say big gashes on the golf ball or scuffs or dirt or mud, that does matter.

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So you want to keep at least a clean, fresh

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Yeah.

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um, to get some good feedback on how it flies.

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But at the end of the day, you're just trying to

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Yep.

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in the game.

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as you're progressing into keeping score and wanting to do better, I would say a big consideration is probably just.

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Finding something that kind of you like and you're consistent with, right?

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It is.

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At some point you should be playing the same ball pretty much round after round.

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Yeah.

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that, Rob?

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Yeah, I would.

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Yeah.

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And I think like, kinda like you said, there's disproportionately, the, the price point is, is a little bit more a thing for our level one golfers, because let's be honest, like if you are intro level one, if you are shooting a hundred.

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20, 110, like you're losing quite a few golf balls in a round of golf, depending on where you're playing, right?

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So what's a, what's a price point of golf ball that is not gonna give you, uh, anxiety about how many golf balls you're losing, right?

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Ones that you're gonna be like, you know, obviously don't love losing a golf ball, but it's not to the point to where it's gonna keep you from coming out and, and playing the next day kind of thing.

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So, and I would a hundred percent echo, um, the consistency of that.

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So I would try to find the most premium golf ball that you're okay if you lose, you know, five or six in a round, right?

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Like what's the, what's the most expensive, most premium golf ball that you're okay losing?

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Um,'cause a hundred percent, like I've given some golf balls to a level one golfer.

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It's like just outta my bag.

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And, and they look at it and they're like, there's no way I'm gonna play this.

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Like, I, I don't, I don't want to, I don't wanna swing.

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And get this golf ball in the way of my golf swing.

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'cause I know I'm gonna lose it.

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Like, it's not that big a deal, I promise.

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But no, I mean, that's, that can be a thing.

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So, um, like you said, like try, just try to make it consistent.

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Try to find the, the, the most premium golf ball, um, that you can, that, that, uh, that you're okay losing.

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Um, I'm not trying to be facetious.

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I'm not trying to make light or trying to make a joke of that.

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I'm, I'm, I'm being serious.

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That's a, that's a big thing.

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that golf balls are, a lot of marketing around golf balls, right?

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So you,

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Yeah.

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of our deal on the, on the show here is to help people wade through some of the marketing stuff.

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But I will say.

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At that, at that level, is the cover of the ball you're playing being some premium high end cover prob probably not.

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mainly because we're not making

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Yeah.

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consistent contact all the time, right?

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So that's probably not.

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Now I will tell you, if you're someone who's a beginner golfer and you have very high club head speed and you spin the ball a lot, slicing it, you know, very deep

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Mm-hmm.

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hitting into greens, and the ball spins a lot.

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can be the case, you're probably gonna wanna try to find a ball that doesn't spin a ton, right.

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So that would be a consideration for you.

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but I think it kind of goes

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Yep.

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Do you, you really trying to believe all the marketing hype that surrounds different balls?

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And I think as you go through from level one to level two to level three to tour player, Some of the marketing doesn't.

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It becomes less important because you know what your golf ball's doing and

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Yeah.

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out of it, right?

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when you know less

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Right.

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golf ball's doing early on, on, in your golf career, not as big of a deal.

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And so that's where you can get that probably bargain,

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Right?

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um, something that's still decent.

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You, you don't wanna be, you don't wanna be using, I hate to say Costco balls or whatever.

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I think those ones have gotten better.

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I think there's,

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Yeah.

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Like, yeah, those are, yeah, a hundred percent.

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That's where I throw in like vice or like, um, what is it, Snell?

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Yeah.

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Um, like those are like perfectly fine.

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Like I see backend level one, early level two golfers, quite a few of'em.

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Still, still playing those.

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And the direct to consumer stuff like Snell and Vice.

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They, they come at a pretty good price point, and they, are they as good a,

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Yeah,

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V one?

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No, they're not.

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no.

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And that's not marketing hype, that's just, that's proven independent testing.

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And then just look at the players on the tour.

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You could say, they get paid to play those balls.

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Well, no, they're gonna play the ball.

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They wanna play, it's so important for them to play the ball.

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Correct.

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And so there's a reason, but that's, again, that's down the road as you improve early on, you're just trying to get something in the bag.

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Now, all the top golf ball producers will make some value golf balls, right?

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With little less, um, expensive cover on'em, which are, they're not premium premium, but they're pretty darn good, right?

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It's like Titleist

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Right.

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soft or whatever.

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That's, it's similar

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Yes.

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design, but, it's got a different cover, slightly different core, but has that same.

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Same deal, or a velocity.

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And and so if you wanted to play a Titleist, they have a better, they have one that's a better price point that you could get.

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It may be in multiple colors and that kind of

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Mm-hmm.

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if you're into that sort of

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Yeah,

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So as we go on from level, anything else you can think of in level one that the player may need to think about with their golf ball there?

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no, I think we covered it.

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this is where.

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If you were gonna go get fit for a golf ball, now you're probably a pretty, pretty competent golfer, a pretty serious golfer, and you were gonna go get fit for a golf ball.

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This is where the data, that we've talked about in the past sort of falls in line with what you're doing with your equipment considerations, which is like, Hey, if I'm a, if I'm a level two golfer, some of the things I really need to do is I need to drive the ball better.

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Straighter and longer, and I also need to, hit more greens, right?

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So I gotta start controlling the ball into the green.

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So like, when you go get fit for a Titleless golf ball at a titleless fitting day, gonna really start you off with, approach shots into the green.

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Like, how do I get this ball to go from the fairway into the green, even before thinking about how it launches off the tee.

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I'm gonna guess now most of the serious level two players are in a premium golf ball of some sort.

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Right?

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Yeah, for sure.

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is

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Yeah.

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man.

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Like I'm, one of the reasons I'm glad I'm a golf pro is

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Oh

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to buy

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my gosh.

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right?

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Because they,

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It's insane nowadays, isn't it?

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yeah.

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I must say pro our provi ones, they're, they're over 55, 50$6 a dozen or something these days.

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Is that

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60?

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60.

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Ooh, good gracious.

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So

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Yeah.

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60 bucks a dozen, you're hoping to not lose many, but you're also hoping that you are getting a really good golf ball, right?

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Really good golf

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Yeah.

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And I think it's fair to say, one disclaimer, I'm a title of staff player.

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Um, but I think it's very fair to say there's a reason why Titleist says dominated the golf ball market, both on the tours and on the, you know, just as the sales to the population is because Pro V one, pro V one X.

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Pairing of golf balls is just extremely good.

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It's just extremely good.

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It's extremely consistent.

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Yeah.

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it really well.

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Checks all the boxes, right?

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It's

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Yeah.

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into the greens.

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It's really good in the short game.

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It's really good off the t um, between the Pro V one and Pro V one X, everyone that plays golf can play one of those two golf balls.

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I mean, you could throw

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Mm-hmm.

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there as well

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For sure.

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the other premium ball, but, there's this notion that, which I've heard in the past, and I think this comes from the other companies, if you don't swing at least 90 miles an hour with your driver, you can't hit a Pro V one'cause you can't compress it or whatever.

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And people started to believe that for

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Yeah.

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No.

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like this crazy story that maybe Callaway or somebody put out.

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I'm just kidding.

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I'm, I'm, I

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Yeah.

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Compression, right?

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crazy notion, but no, like.

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much if you play golf, you can hit a Pro V one or a pro, one of those in that premium family.

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For sure.

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and so they all do have a little bit different flight characteristics and spin characteristics.

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Now, I am not an expert on the Callaway balls and the TaylorMade balls and the Bridgestone balls.

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Do you know much about those?

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Uh,

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Me either.

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No, no.

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That's a blind spot for me, for sure.

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is we just all play Titleist.

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I mean, it just is what it's, I mean, I.

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Yes.

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to be ugly about it.

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I was on TaylorMade staff for many years and played the tailor made ball.

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Uh, but that would've been 10 years ago.

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And they were, they were good.

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TaylorMade, I think makes a very good golf ball.

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They have a, TP five and TP five X is what they're called, at least they used to be called, should maybe still call that, um, a similar idea to prob V one and prob V one X from a design standpoint.

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Uh, Callaway's got this chrome soft, know, Chrome soft tor chrome, soft XI don't know much about it.

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I like the stripes on them.

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I think the stripes are kind of cool that they do for the putting

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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but the testing really bears out and really the performance bears out that the title of the golf ball just does pretty much perform a little bit better than everything else.

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is what it's,

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, and being a ping staffer, I'll plug their, uh, their web fit app, right?

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So web fit.ping.com you can actually download an app.

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So, um, if you, if you wanna see.

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All right.

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Well, you want to get a Titleless option, but you also wanna see some of the other brands of, what are some of the other options that might be comparable?

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Um, I'm a huge fan of.

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Really, if you're a level one, level two or level three golfer, um, spec, uh, specifically our kind of early, early level two golfers going into that app and plugging in all of the information that you have, it's a ping does an amazing job of creating these algorithms of like, okay, for, for these types of, of, uh, you know, inputs, right?

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We're gonna likely get this type of output.

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Um, and it's pretty amazing, you know, as I, as I work through the app myself and I kind of plug in the data.

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Um, it's pretty darn good.

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I mean, it puts me right into a ProView one X, which is the ball that I play.

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Um, but it also gives me, I think there was the, uh, tour Chrome was one of'em that I could have explored, uh, from Callaway.

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There was the, um, I believe there was one from Taylor made, uh, as well that, and like it gives me, again, it will give you three or four options that are like, um, like S Tier, right?

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But then it'll also give you, you know.

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Uh, kind of down the line, some other go golf balls that, hey, if you don't wanna spend that same price point, you can look at some of these as well and get, um, kind of the, a little bit of the best of both worlds.

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So, a big fan of that app.

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I would agree.

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Definitely.

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Um, if someone tells you like, Hey, you wanna find a, a ball that really feels good off your putter, right?

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And then off of your wedges, right?

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What, what, what really feels good off your wedges?

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And then.

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Uh, try to build, uh, kind of from the green back to the TI would question that big time.

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Um, we know that, uh, really shots to green is the, is the driving force behind your score, right?

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So if you can get the, the number of shots from the T box to the green lower, that's going to reduce your score the fastest.

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Um, so I would venture to say, Hey, let's optimize the golf ball for your driver.

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Uh, or perhaps even optimize your golf ball for, um, your approach shots, if you wanna start with that first.

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Um, and then within those golf balls that perform well off the driver and off your approach shots, then we can try to figure out, okay, what, what a, what's a golf ball that feels nice to you around the greens?

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And then maybe the, the pitching and the chipping and the putting can maybe be the tiebreaker is kind of how I think about it.

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Um.

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But that's, uh, yeah, it's a common question, but it's one that we haven't really discussed yet on the, on the pod, so I was glad we were able to, to get to that for sure.

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Yeah, so I, that's great.

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I'll link I'll, is there a link to the app?

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Is it in the app store or is it like a

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'll send it to you.

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We'll, uh, we'll, we'll go ahead and yeah, we'll make sure that, uh, that's, that's linked on the pod, but, uh, it's a great resource, um, very similar to their wedge fitting app.

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I mean, it's, I honestly tell you like from a, from a club fitting standpoint, if I didn't have the ping web fit app, um, it's literally an app that you can download.

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Um, I think at this point.

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Uh, if not, it's just, it's on the web and I've actually, you can, you can add it as a, um, as a, as a, was it called a widget or an app?

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I'm not, I'm sure exactly what the term is, but you can, you can put it onto your phone.

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So I've got it in here somewhere.

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Um, I'll, I'll find it here, here shortly enough, but, oh, yep.

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Here we go.

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Um, ping.

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Is it copilot?

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Oh, it's, uh, it might actually be called copilot.

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The ping copilot app.

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Yes.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So that's, that's what you're gonna want to get.

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Um, it, it's awesome.

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It'll, it'll do shaft fitting solve, uh, for your gapping in between, like, which clubs, uh, what, what set and makeup you're likely to need.

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Um, optimized driver launch conditions, uh, wedge grinds, uh, with your color code.

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Um.

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You know, it's got a ton of great resources on, on the Ping Co-pilot.

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So I, I recommend certainly professionals, um, who are, who are out in the trenches doing their club fitting, but then also our passionate level two and, and level one golfers for sure.

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Um, going in there and, and downloading it and seeing what information they can glean from it.

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Yeah.

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It's Ping.

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Ping, is a, is an engineering company.

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That's their culture.

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Then they do a really good job with their research and, um, I don't, was there ever a ping golf?

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I think there was a ping golf ball at one point in the eighties.

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Am I making this up?

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There probably was.

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Yeah.

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hard to overcome the Titleist dominance there.

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The market share is just so crazy.

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Um, but.

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Hunter and I actually will.

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We, we joke about how really Ping and Titleist really should just combine and become one super company, um, because they really do a lot of things similarly.

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Like that they, that they do well., And if you look through the pink staffers, like they're almost all playing titleless golf balls.

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Um, plenty of'em are playing titleless putters.

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And, and you get some mix, uh, mixing and matching of, of Ping and Titleless clubs if you look at our pink staffers.

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But, it's funny how it's like the titleless marketing is really good and obviously everything Titleless does is great, but like they do really well with,, the marketing, which.

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Ping doesn't do quite as well, but Ping does an amazing job with like the art, like the research and communication to the teachers.

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Oh, these are the projects, kinda the research projects that we're doing.

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Here's what we're learning.

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Here's how you could become a better teacher.

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So you you wish that they could just like come together, um,

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they're,

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our side.

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companies, which is, think, um,

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Yep.

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I think why, why so much business with them as PGA professionals, I would say that, you've got

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For sure.

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the tailor made and the Callaway.

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They're, they both make good equipment, but they also,, they also revamp their whole line.

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Like every, I don't know, it's not even yearly.

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It's probably a little more

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Mm-hmm.

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And, um, you know, they're, they're

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Yeah.

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driven that way.

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They want to, they want to create those, you know, those product life cycles and move stuff in and move stuff out.

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And I, I just always feel like I really trust the.

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The title is in Ping is when they come out with something.

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It's every few years and it's,

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Yeah.

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you know, it's gonna be a great product.

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And I wrote a, um, a newsletter, so this is plugging the newsletter a little bit.

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Um, you can sign up for our free newsletter, which we come out with probably every couple months.

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I'll put a newsletter out with some interesting stuff Substack and it's free.

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And,, Titleless just came out with a new, a new series of irons, as did Ping came out with, uh, just one iron.

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And, I did a review'cause I've been fitting a bunch of'em.

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They're both great.

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So check that out.

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in the show notes.

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So level two golfers.

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Yeah, this is probably when you're moving more into a premium golf ball.

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And again, like everybody has a different consideration.

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If I were in my situation as a golfer and I had to buy golf balls, I would have to strongly consider, I I, is there a budget golf ball?

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That's a little, that's close enough.

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And I think there probably are, out there.

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But if you're looking for

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Yep.

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premium, it's gonna be Titleist.

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Um, and maybe some of that stuff from Callaway Taylor made and, and probably Rickson and Bridgestone.

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Those are probably your, your big ones.

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I saw PXG came out with a ball.

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I just feel like that's such an interesting, you know, hitting the premium golf ball.

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Murray,

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Yeah,

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Anyway, you bless their heart.

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You know, give it, giving it the old try and see how it goes.

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bless

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bless.

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Bless their heart.

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It's a tough, it's a tough, it's a tough,

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Uh, shots fired this tonight.

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It's, anyway, anyway, so now we go on to that really, really good golfer and I, I don't know, I think this is where., Like for me, I'm a level three golfer.

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Rob's level I, I play Pro V one X mainly because of how I launch it off my driver.

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Um, it does hit a different launch window than I need for me, um, a

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Yeah.

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bit higher launch off the driver.

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Um, and so why I play Pro V one X, right?

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And, and so it helps me optimize my driving, which is a huge consideration for me.

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The premium golf balls around the green all feel pretty good.

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But now the level three player is gonna be probably a higher speed player most of the time.

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so how that ball lands on a green with wedges is probably a huge consideration.

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Is it spinning too much?

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Can you control the spinning the ball?

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Some people don't control spin very well, they're great players, but they just hit everything with high spin and they need something that spends less.

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Other people need something that spends a little bit more.

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That would be me launching higher with more spin.

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And so I also believe at this time, this is where you settle on a ball and you play it, and you play it, and you play it over and over and

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Mm-hmm.

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you don't, you're not gonna mix it up because golf balls perform so differently, which you always hear about at the Ryder Cup, right?

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Like when they're, when they're pairing up, uh, players in the alternate shot they got, they basically feel like they need to pair'em a little bit of a consideration as the golf ball they're playing, right?

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Because.

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Players do want to have a ball

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Mm-hmm.

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similarly, if not the same to their partner when they're playing on a new shot.

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So consistency, premium, how it's launching off the driver, how it goes in on those wedges.

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Probably the main considerations there.

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What, what else are you seeing there for level three player Rub?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I,, I would say that,, the one question that I have is for.

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When you talk, start talking about tour players, you get to massively different setups from week to week., Within golf ball.

00:25:45.816 --> 00:25:51.336
I'm curious how much they're actually changing their golf ball, depending on the setup of the golf course.

00:25:51.435 --> 00:25:56.596
Is that something that they do or are they typically gonna keep the ball the same and then make little equipment tweaks?

00:25:57.056 --> 00:25:59.171
What have you seen when it comes to some of that stuff?

00:25:59.271 --> 00:26:00.981
changing ball week to week.

00:26:01.071 --> 00:26:01.491
Yeah.

00:26:01.541 --> 00:26:03.757
I'd be surprised if they're changing ball week to week.

00:26:04.457 --> 00:26:04.747
Yeah.

00:26:05.747 --> 00:26:06.646
maybe when they go play

00:26:06.740 --> 00:26:06.800
Yeah.

00:26:06.856 --> 00:26:10.797
in Colorado or at in Mexico City where the elevation becomes a big thing.

00:26:10.797 --> 00:26:12.297
But I I doubt even there,.

00:26:13.136 --> 00:26:14.727
Tour players are very interesting.

00:26:14.727 --> 00:26:19.886
I mean, they'll, they'll play, t Titleist will make Pro V one from 10 years ago.

00:26:19.886 --> 00:26:23.126
Still, if, as long as they're on the conforming list still, they'll make'em.

00:26:23.126 --> 00:26:29.156
And players will, they'll be players that wanna play that Pro V one from 2018 or whatever.

00:26:29.156 --> 00:26:30.116
'cause that's the ball they

00:26:30.371 --> 00:26:30.790
Mm-hmm.

00:26:30.836 --> 00:26:31.616
the one they wanna play.

00:26:31.616 --> 00:26:33.967
And they'll keep getting it in their locker at the tour event.

00:26:34.537 --> 00:26:36.488
Um, and so I, I think that.

00:26:37.488 --> 00:26:41.448
They typically become creatures of habit when it comes to that stuff, right?

00:26:41.448 --> 00:26:42.827
They're marking their ball the same way.

00:26:42.827 --> 00:26:43.278
They like to

00:26:43.356 --> 00:26:43.747
Yeah,

00:26:43.817 --> 00:26:44.087
number.

00:26:44.087 --> 00:26:47.327
A lot of'em making generalizations, but, um,

00:26:48.576 --> 00:26:51.787
no, for sure., Some of the equipment that you see, even like some of the.

00:26:52.531 --> 00:27:01.432
I think especially when it comes to three woods and things like that, like playing three woods from 15, 12, 15 years ago is, is not crazy abnormal.

00:27:01.461 --> 00:27:13.592
Like that, a lot of these level three, level four tour tor players are, um, they are sticklers when it comes, when they find a club that they love, they will stick with it until, until it breaks.

00:27:13.873 --> 00:27:23.932
I think like the driver, they're gonna be incentivized to switch very often, right?, Hey, you're gonna play the newest driver'cause that's in your contract or whatever, but free wood hybrid.

00:27:24.637 --> 00:27:35.167
Even some irons,, Corey Payman was playing some irons a couple of years ago that were like, 2005 Taylor made like TP r sevens or something.

00:27:35.167 --> 00:27:35.978
Some cra like,

00:27:36.027 --> 00:27:37.227
Yeah, yeah,

00:27:37.268 --> 00:27:37.807
They're,

00:27:38.606 --> 00:27:38.876
yeah.

00:27:38.876 --> 00:27:40.376
I'm not surprised actually to hear that.

00:27:40.567 --> 00:27:46.813
I think like you said, you get the feel and you wanna build consistency and you're building history with your equipment.

00:27:47.692 --> 00:27:48.863
And the golf ball is a very

00:27:48.971 --> 00:27:49.392
Mm-hmm.

00:27:49.553 --> 00:27:52.883
'cause you just want to see it do the same things over and over and over again.

00:27:53.373 --> 00:27:57.803
So, that's probably the main consideration as you go into level three and four.

00:27:58.603 --> 00:28:04.752
But yeah, even in their practice, like they practice with their golf ball like on the range, they're, a lot of'em are gonna be hitting that golf ball.

00:28:06.042 --> 00:28:08.653
and I know this'cause I run a tour range and on the

00:28:08.892 --> 00:28:09.311
Mm-hmm.

00:28:09.373 --> 00:28:10.962
they only get Pro V ones to hit.

00:28:11.637 --> 00:28:18.307
But some of them will still bring,, we'll find STRs on balls and Callaway balls and stuff mixed in with the balls that they'll be

00:28:18.507 --> 00:28:18.537
Mm.

00:28:18.747 --> 00:28:19.106
Cool.

00:28:19.208 --> 00:28:22.778
I got my track man out and I'm trying to dial in my driver.

00:28:22.778 --> 00:28:26.167
I'm gonna hit, I'm gonna hit two sleeves of STRs on, into the, into the range.

00:28:26.218 --> 00:28:26.667
It just is

00:28:26.791 --> 00:28:27.182
Yeah.

00:28:27.298 --> 00:28:28.407
that they're paying for'em, right.

00:28:28.407 --> 00:28:29.458
So they don't, they don't care.

00:28:30.001 --> 00:28:30.422
Right.

00:28:30.842 --> 00:28:31.291
No.

00:28:31.468 --> 00:28:33.087
so yeah, I think they're pretty

00:28:33.271 --> 00:28:33.571
Yeah.

00:28:34.137 --> 00:28:35.127
locked in on the ball.

00:28:35.127 --> 00:28:35.968
They like to play.

00:28:36.883 --> 00:28:42.373
But that, so hopefully Now I know Titleist does have a golf ball selector tool on their website too.

00:28:42.373 --> 00:28:54.002
So, um, if you're listening to this and you're thinking, I don't know which ball to play, or you're trying to make a decision based on that, I think it goes back to, the big decision points are gonna be, how premium are you willing to play.

00:28:54.932 --> 00:29:02.222
the more premium, the better, no matter what the marketing tells you, to those really, really good Titleist tailor made Callaway.

00:29:03.018 --> 00:29:16.198
on Bridgestone balls, and think a lot of it boils down to how it launches on your driver and how it feels whenever you're hitting it into a greenhouse, reacting on the green, and then how you like it to feel in the short game.

00:29:16.198 --> 00:29:19.948
Even on the putting, the pig app on the putting, maybe there's a feel that you.

00:29:20.617 --> 00:29:24.038
I could not care any less about how a ball felt in my putting.

00:29:24.038 --> 00:29:24.938
I don't think, I don't think

00:29:25.086 --> 00:29:25.376
Yeah,

00:29:25.417 --> 00:29:30.337
ze a zero consideration for me even using a blade putter still all these years later.

00:29:31.337 --> 00:29:32.327
Did you see the Odyssey?

00:29:32.327 --> 00:29:33.557
Happy Gilmore Putter yet.

00:29:34.992 --> 00:29:35.353
Is it a,

00:29:35.448 --> 00:29:36.468
It's a hockey stick.

00:29:36.678 --> 00:29:37.817
It's pretty sweet.

00:29:38.573 --> 00:29:38.863
Yeah.

00:29:38.893 --> 00:29:39.282
Nice?

00:29:40.002 --> 00:29:40.123
it,

00:29:40.968 --> 00:29:41.147
Yeah.

00:29:41.147 --> 00:29:42.198
It looks just like a hockey stick.

00:29:42.252 --> 00:29:42.343
you

00:29:42.587 --> 00:29:42.948
Yeah,

00:29:43.123 --> 00:29:43.423
or.

00:29:44.508 --> 00:29:48.137
it's a real, it's a, it is a, it is A-U-S-G-A conforming putter.

00:29:48.167 --> 00:29:51.373
You can go out and you can put with the Happy Gilmore putter if you'd like.

00:29:51.583 --> 00:29:52.423
have you seen the movie?

00:29:52.482 --> 00:29:53.413
Have you seen the new?

00:29:53.472 --> 00:29:54.583
Is it, how would

00:29:54.827 --> 00:29:55.788
Yeah, I saw it.

00:29:55.873 --> 00:29:57.792
you get out of, out of, out of five

00:29:57.857 --> 00:29:59.268
Oh my gosh.

00:30:00.268 --> 00:30:01.167
Oh man.

00:30:02.077 --> 00:30:05.617
I would say that I enjoyed it

00:30:05.643 --> 00:30:05.913
go.

00:30:05.978 --> 00:30:06.307
quite a bit.

00:30:06.962 --> 00:30:07.202
That's

00:30:07.303 --> 00:30:11.093
There were some really, really funny parts, especially when they brought in the tour pros.

00:30:11.583 --> 00:30:22.603
Scotty in particular they used him really, really well, I thought in the movie, John Daley was basically like their, like, they like that essentially like, oh, don't, don't be afraid.

00:30:22.603 --> 00:30:25.573
Don't forget to feed, feed, feed John daily right when you leave.

00:30:26.573 --> 00:30:27.113
Um.

00:30:27.938 --> 00:30:29.678
Which was, which was hysterical.

00:30:29.678 --> 00:30:39.847
I, it was basically a Liv, like they were commenting on Liv and they had Brooks and, Bryson playing on the the PGA tour side, which was really funny.

00:30:40.327 --> 00:30:42.337
So I love how they use the tour pros.

00:30:42.387 --> 00:30:46.248
Will Zel Torres was, was the old caddy from the first version.

00:30:46.468 --> 00:30:47.008
He looked just

00:30:47.147 --> 00:30:47.298
He was.

00:30:47.488 --> 00:30:48.538
kid, but yeah.

00:30:49.143 --> 00:30:50.432
He looks just like him.

00:30:50.462 --> 00:30:52.202
Which I thought was hysterical.

00:30:52.563 --> 00:30:55.557
So yeah, it, it got a little unhinged, I'm not gonna lie.

00:30:55.597 --> 00:30:57.637
A couple parts were just a little too out there for me.

00:30:57.637 --> 00:31:00.157
But, no, all in all, like it was entertaining.

00:31:00.157 --> 00:31:00.248
I it,

00:31:01.248 --> 00:31:04.962
I I have not yet seen the, the new one, but obviously a big fan of the old one.

00:31:05.857 --> 00:31:07.448
So, I don't know, one of these days we'll

00:31:07.541 --> 00:31:07.842
yeah.

00:31:07.897 --> 00:31:09.968
probably when my younger daughters are not

00:31:10.017 --> 00:31:10.376
Yeah.

00:31:10.637 --> 00:31:10.938
they're not

00:31:11.152 --> 00:31:11.372
Yes.

00:31:11.567 --> 00:31:12.557
Sandler movies yet.

00:31:13.188 --> 00:31:13.667
Um,

00:31:14.162 --> 00:31:14.451
Yeah.

00:31:14.538 --> 00:31:22.218
so switching gears here, I I wanted to, I, I was gonna think about doing this as a solo episode, just as like a short story.

00:31:22.248 --> 00:31:25.518
'cause I thought it was super interesting and a lot of insight to

00:31:25.541 --> 00:31:25.961
Mm-hmm.

00:31:26.087 --> 00:31:26.837
um, from it.

00:31:27.887 --> 00:31:31.607
But this came up in my mind the other day, the craziest.

00:31:32.778 --> 00:31:36.587
Lesson that I probably ever taught, and I've been teaching golf a long time, right?

00:31:36.587 --> 00:31:37.607
20 plus years.

00:31:38.607 --> 00:31:53.607
I had one of our interns in observing me teach the other day, and it was one of those really interesting, unique 30 minute lessons where, you know, comes in, doesn't really take lessons, is a 30 handicap, slices the ball, whatever.

00:31:54.028 --> 00:31:56.067
And we changed his grip and like he stops coming

00:31:56.071 --> 00:31:56.362
Yeah.

00:31:56.637 --> 00:31:58.317
without ever talking about his swing.

00:31:58.317 --> 00:31:59.218
And she was just like.

00:31:59.577 --> 00:32:00.417
How did that happen?

00:32:00.417 --> 00:32:03.807
How did that, you know, and so she was like, that was amazing.

00:32:03.807 --> 00:32:06.627
And I said, well, I mean, that kind of stuff happens all the time.

00:32:06.627 --> 00:32:08.097
I mean, that's, that's fine.

00:32:08.548 --> 00:32:13.528
Um, but I was, I was thinking about sort of the craziest lesson.

00:32:13.528 --> 00:32:15.417
'cause you were saying like, what was the craziest one?

00:32:15.417 --> 00:32:16.587
So it came to mind.

00:32:16.587 --> 00:32:24.448
So the context around it is this gentleman came to me, member of the club who I would maybe see for a little tune up here and there.

00:32:24.448 --> 00:32:25.018
Nothing crazy.

00:32:25.018 --> 00:32:26.428
He was a D one college golfer.

00:32:27.252 --> 00:32:32.292
around 40 years old at the time or late thirties you know, with kids and job and stuff.

00:32:32.292 --> 00:32:34.573
He wasn't playing a tom, but he's still competing a little bit.

00:32:35.803 --> 00:32:37.123
he had a match play event.

00:32:37.123 --> 00:32:38.923
A match play event at CCV.

00:32:38.923 --> 00:32:40.512
They're our biggest tournaments of the year.

00:32:40.752 --> 00:32:44.653
We have individual match plays and uh, two man match plays and they're huge.

00:32:45.732 --> 00:32:49.663
he's in like the highest level, um, because he's a plus handicap and all this.

00:32:49.787 --> 00:32:50.076
Yeah.

00:32:50.623 --> 00:32:51.432
And so he has a match.

00:32:51.432 --> 00:32:53.682
The next day he comes with this lesson and he's really funny.

00:32:53.682 --> 00:32:54.163
He's like.

00:32:55.363 --> 00:33:05.742
Oh, I just went on this golf trip, you know, a two day event I played in, and I don't remember what he told me he shot, but it was like not great, maybe 80 each day or something, which for him was really poor.

00:33:06.222 --> 00:33:10.992
And, so I'm like, okay, and we have a 30 minute lesson.

00:33:10.992 --> 00:33:12.252
He's like, I got a match tomorrow.

00:33:12.252 --> 00:33:15.163
I'm just, you know, hoping, or maybe it was two days, something like that.

00:33:15.583 --> 00:33:17.383
He's like, oh, I'm hoping we can find a little something.

00:33:17.383 --> 00:33:18.313
I'm like, okay, whatever.

00:33:19.313 --> 00:33:19.583
So

00:33:19.602 --> 00:33:20.817
That's fantastic.

00:33:20.932 --> 00:33:21.772
there's, there's.

00:33:22.268 --> 00:33:23.708
Good takeaways from this story.

00:33:24.847 --> 00:33:30.607
so I'm out on the range, uh, just at West Hampton on the grass with my cell phone using it for camera.

00:33:30.607 --> 00:33:31.417
And that's, that's it.

00:33:31.448 --> 00:33:33.218
No track band, no nothing in this lesson.

00:33:33.998 --> 00:33:41.048
And, um, you know, he's hitting shots and he's just like, I just can't find, I can't hit, I can't hit solid shots going all over the planet.

00:33:41.107 --> 00:33:52.867
And I'm looking at it and I did, I did, what I typically do is I filmed him straight on and I'm watching, I see some things I film him from, from the face on view, and I said, Hey, tell me what you think about this ball position.

00:33:53.738 --> 00:34:02.137
And he looks at it and he goes, it looks like the ball position's really far back It looked to me like he was playing like a seven iron off his back heel.

00:34:02.198 --> 00:34:03.968
That's what it looked like to me, right?

00:34:03.968 --> 00:34:05.077
But I wanted to know what his

00:34:05.247 --> 00:34:05.967
Nice.

00:34:06.211 --> 00:34:06.501
Yeah,

00:34:06.938 --> 00:34:09.998
as you know, like as you, if you're an avid listener to the show.

00:34:10.317 --> 00:34:14.246
that's a, that's a great lesson for our young teachers who are, who are listening to this.

00:34:14.246 --> 00:34:15.836
That's a, that's a great lesson right there.

00:34:16.836 --> 00:34:18.577
so I, I showed it to him.

00:34:18.577 --> 00:34:20.016
I said, let's talk about the ball position.

00:34:20.016 --> 00:34:21.367
And he said, well, it looks really far back.

00:34:21.367 --> 00:34:23.077
I said, okay, well let's just move it up a little bit.

00:34:23.077 --> 00:34:25.056
'cause you're making the contact is not good.

00:34:25.056 --> 00:34:26.706
Face is being delivered all over the place.

00:34:26.757 --> 00:34:27.836
Let's just see what happens.

00:34:28.586 --> 00:34:33.896
so we move it up a couple swings later, he's hitting it really good, you know, just like hit it.

00:34:33.896 --> 00:34:34.166
Great.

00:34:34.347 --> 00:34:34.766
And that's.

00:34:35.186 --> 00:34:37.347
I said, all right, well, I mean, I think that's it.

00:34:37.396 --> 00:34:38.146
So what did we do?

00:34:38.896 --> 00:34:43.996
We worked on that skill of finding the, finding the ball and the club face at the bottom of the yard, right?

00:34:43.996 --> 00:34:44.657
That's all we did.

00:34:45.197 --> 00:34:47.177
And he's a highly skilled player, right?

00:34:47.177 --> 00:34:48.766
D former D one college golfer.

00:34:49.757 --> 00:34:53.657
um, so I said to him like, wow, you know, that was fun.

00:34:53.746 --> 00:34:54.137
You're in it.

00:34:54.137 --> 00:34:54.527
Great.

00:34:55.007 --> 00:34:56.507
Let me know how your match goes.

00:34:56.507 --> 00:34:57.317
He goes, I'll let you know.

00:34:58.097 --> 00:34:59.266
So I found this email today.

00:35:00.016 --> 00:35:04.666
It was from six years ago and I saved it'cause it's really funny and I sent it to you, so I'm gonna read it.

00:35:05.666 --> 00:35:09.177
It says, this is from May 6th, 2019.

00:35:09.266 --> 00:35:13.858
It says, Hey Eric, you asked me to check back in with you after our lesson to let you know how it went.

00:35:14.561 --> 00:35:16.961
Let's just say the weekend was pure golfing comedy.

00:35:16.961 --> 00:35:18.882
I almost didn't play as our match on Sunday.

00:35:18.911 --> 00:35:22.391
'cause I jacked up my right shoulder playing with my kids on Saturday.

00:35:22.751 --> 00:35:24.882
But I took a bunch of Advil and got out there.

00:35:24.972 --> 00:35:26.501
So I'm like, okay, this is interesting.

00:35:27.492 --> 00:35:31.572
I ended up making nine birdies at the river for my career low round.

00:35:32.621 --> 00:35:36.521
So, and then it goes on a little bit and he says,

00:35:36.572 --> 00:35:37.322
That's awesome.

00:35:38.052 --> 00:35:40.061
this is, this is a really interesting part, he said.

00:35:40.722 --> 00:35:47.711
I felt like I was going to hit a pull top on every shot, obviously things worked out in the results department.

00:35:48.161 --> 00:35:49.992
So glad I got a checkup last week.

00:35:49.992 --> 00:35:50.922
Thank you for your help.

00:35:51.851 --> 00:36:02.351
So I think the point there is a, he and I worked through a solution that wasn't reworking his whole swing the day before a match.

00:36:03.581 --> 00:36:05.621
A big match'cause he mentioned who he played against with.

00:36:05.621 --> 00:36:07.061
So it's one of the better players at the club.

00:36:07.452 --> 00:36:12.791
He shot 63 that day on the James River, so he made nine pars and nine birdies.

00:36:13.362 --> 00:36:15.161
The James River is no joke.

00:36:15.311 --> 00:36:18.161
Uh, we hosted two US Amateur on that golf course.

00:36:18.161 --> 00:36:24.431
It's a William Flynn,, 10 years in a row now at Charles Schwab Cup playoff event on the champion store.

00:36:24.431 --> 00:36:27.552
So that is not what you would call a cakewalk golf course.

00:36:27.552 --> 00:36:28.842
And he went nine birdies.

00:36:29.427 --> 00:36:34.646
Nine pars and he said, I felt like I was gonna hit what a pole top on every shot.

00:36:35.646 --> 00:36:44.226
So I think the thing to note there is, um, a couple things like you were pointing out before, just, how do we work through a solution?

00:36:44.226 --> 00:36:52.177
But at the end of the day, he kinda went out there going like, I don't really trust what's going on, but I'm just gonna be really open-minded.

00:36:52.206 --> 00:36:53.827
'cause what I'm doing wasn't very good.

00:36:53.916 --> 00:36:54.277
Right.

00:36:54.547 --> 00:36:56.137
I wasn't hitting it on the planet.

00:36:56.436 --> 00:36:58.956
So I'm gonna go out with this new feel and see what happens.

00:36:59.347 --> 00:37:00.996
And mean,

00:37:01.536 --> 00:37:01.757
Mm.

00:37:02.016 --> 00:37:07.297
I wonder what percentage of golfers, in a legitimate and competitive round of golf could shoot

00:37:07.481 --> 00:37:08.126
Oh my gosh.

00:37:08.317 --> 00:37:08.766
birdies.

00:37:08.766 --> 00:37:11.106
I mean, it's planet Earth.

00:37:11.106 --> 00:37:13.356
Like very few, very,

00:37:13.422 --> 00:37:13.541
Yeah.

00:37:13.567 --> 00:37:15.067
few people could shoot around like that.

00:37:16.067 --> 00:37:16.996
it was just really cool.

00:37:16.996 --> 00:37:20.177
It was, it was really fun to get a follow up email like that, and.

00:37:21.242 --> 00:37:30.481
I think that it was, I say it's the craziest lesson I've ever had because of the score, but I also kind of feel like he was so far away from feeling like that was an easy fix.

00:37:30.541 --> 00:37:34.891
You know, like for us it was like, ah, move the ball up three or four inches in swing.

00:37:34.891 --> 00:37:43.862
And he's such a good player that he was, like, I don't know if I could find anything with this, but I'm just gonna do it because I'm just, I'm, I'm used to trying to figure it out.

00:37:44.612 --> 00:37:47.222
so growth mindset there for sure.

00:37:47.851 --> 00:37:48.661
And, um.

00:37:49.661 --> 00:37:50.592
You know, I wish I had,

00:37:50.806 --> 00:37:51.916
Yes,

00:37:52.121 --> 00:37:54.612
love those, I love the follow ups and I always tell my lessons.

00:37:54.612 --> 00:37:55.902
I'm like, let me know how it goes.

00:37:55.902 --> 00:37:58.541
And I, I rarely get too many follow up emails like that.

00:37:58.541 --> 00:38:00.592
But that one was pretty fun.

00:38:00.592 --> 00:38:05.722
So, um, I thought it'd be really fun to share that story just'cause I think there's a lot to learn there.

00:38:05.722 --> 00:38:06.141
Don't you think?

00:38:07.141 --> 00:38:07.862
A hundred percent.

00:38:07.862 --> 00:38:08.072
Yeah.

00:38:08.072 --> 00:38:15.842
I mean, I think a lot of times with what we're asking golfers to do is appreciate the fact that their perception is not matching reality.

00:38:16.141 --> 00:38:16.351
Right?

00:38:16.351 --> 00:38:17.342
There's a disconnect.

00:38:17.612 --> 00:38:17.896
Right.

00:38:17.896 --> 00:38:17.907
So.

00:38:18.907 --> 00:38:20.467
It is a leap of faith.

00:38:20.467 --> 00:38:38.226
It is definitely a, uh, a skill that is easier said than done to go out on a golf course with other people playing around you and a scorecard in your pocket and commit to doing something that actually feels wrong.

00:38:39.226 --> 00:38:41.206
Not many people are willing to do that.

00:38:41.293 --> 00:38:45.163
And this is why people struggle to grow, in my opinion, right?

00:38:45.556 --> 00:38:46.036
Yes.

00:38:46.273 --> 00:38:48.163
trying to do something that feels right.

00:38:48.822 --> 00:38:49.242
Right?

00:38:49.902 --> 00:38:53.443
that's a, and it's like, I want the, I want to control it.

00:38:53.472 --> 00:38:53.692
Yep.

00:38:53.893 --> 00:38:54.733
to have it right.

00:38:54.822 --> 00:38:56.052
I want to have it safe.

00:38:56.862 --> 00:38:58.512
it's, it's like anything else, you're not

00:38:58.722 --> 00:38:58.942
Yes,

00:38:59.052 --> 00:39:00.117
not gonna get in shape.

00:39:00.838 --> 00:39:06.197
To run a marathon by, not pushing yourself, you outta your comfort zone, right?

00:39:06.822 --> 00:39:07.311
correct.

00:39:07.541 --> 00:39:08.032
Correct.

00:39:08.088 --> 00:39:13.097
always having to try to find that thing and then go for the next step, right?

00:39:13.097 --> 00:39:14.358
And in golf for some reason,

00:39:14.407 --> 00:39:14.827
Mm-hmm.

00:39:14.927 --> 00:39:18.378
tend to revert to a safe space a lot.

00:39:18.378 --> 00:39:20.148
Golfers do this a lot in their practice.

00:39:20.416 --> 00:39:20.706
Okay.

00:39:21.382 --> 00:39:21.952
Yes.

00:39:22.097 --> 00:39:23.226
Yeah, absolutely

00:39:23.418 --> 00:39:29.268
mindset of just challenging yourself to get outta the comfort zone and try to do something a little bit better and a little bit different.

00:39:29.297 --> 00:39:30.737
It can really pay off.

00:39:30.737 --> 00:39:34.818
Otherwise, you'll probably just end up being the same type of golfer that you've always been.

00:39:34.847 --> 00:39:35.117
Right?

00:39:35.117 --> 00:39:38.057
Like, we can, we can improve a little bit at different rates and, and have better

00:39:38.211 --> 00:39:38.632
a hundred percent.

00:39:38.867 --> 00:39:46.788
but you really, really challenge yourself to find that bigger, you know, that level up kind of feel, probably

00:39:46.882 --> 00:39:47.271
Yeah.

00:39:47.327 --> 00:39:48.137
in the same spot.

00:39:48.137 --> 00:39:50.208
So, growth mindset, man.

00:39:50.268 --> 00:39:50.478
It's

00:39:50.512 --> 00:39:50.931
Yeah.

00:39:51.467 --> 00:39:51.768
deal.

00:39:52.217 --> 00:39:52.847
Huge deal.

00:39:53.331 --> 00:39:55.072
It's, it is the thing, right?

00:39:55.072 --> 00:40:05.541
And that actually leads in perfectly to kind of a story that I had And, and I, uh, a lesson, I had a, I had a guy reach back out after, oh my gosh.

00:40:05.541 --> 00:40:06.086
It had to be.

00:40:07.086 --> 00:40:09.757
If not a year, it was darn close to a year.

00:40:10.416 --> 00:40:25.827
And I've got the email somewhere, but, for the sake of having to, having to find it, said, basically just updating me like, Hey, I've, I've gotten from, I mean, I think he was like a 20 when we first started all the way down to an eight and, um.

00:40:26.876 --> 00:40:30.206
I will tell you,'cause we saw each other pretty frequently.

00:40:30.206 --> 00:40:36.327
For the first, I wanna say six months of that, we were working together and I didn't see him much after that.

00:40:37.137 --> 00:40:38.936
At least for the first two months.

00:40:38.996 --> 00:40:41.847
He would tell you that histor, his scores did get better.

00:40:42.867 --> 00:40:45.146
If anything, they got a little bit worse, right?

00:40:45.146 --> 00:40:45.237
But.

00:40:46.237 --> 00:41:01.717
In the first lesson that we had, and this is why I'm gonna just keep beating this drum of, of training skill, is because in the very first lesson that we had, we got him to see something different in the ball flight right away, right?

00:41:01.717 --> 00:41:04.956
Without him feeling like his swing is that much different.

00:41:05.956 --> 00:41:10.217
So really, I presented this skill training as like an exercise.

00:41:10.217 --> 00:41:14.271
I was like, Hey, this is like the first five minutes of what you're gonna do when you go out to the range.

00:41:15.512 --> 00:41:20.492
When you go practice, if you want to do it before you go out and play, you can, I'm gonna leave that up to you.

00:41:20.492 --> 00:41:24.001
If you feel like it's too much, just, just warm up and, and just go play.

00:41:24.931 --> 00:41:28.922
But if you're gonna go out and train, this is gonna be the first five to 10 minutes of what you're doing.

00:41:28.922 --> 00:41:37.016
I need you to find your reference points, your actual margins of error for arch height, arc, location, forward and back, and clubface.

00:41:38.266 --> 00:41:41.086
And he absolutely like bought in.

00:41:41.146 --> 00:41:42.646
He was like, yeah, this is just what I do.

00:41:42.887 --> 00:41:43.036
Right?

00:41:43.036 --> 00:41:47.507
I just go out and the first 10 minutes, I'm just hitting tops.

00:41:47.567 --> 00:41:49.817
I'm hitting fat, I'm hitting toe shanks, heel shanks.

00:41:49.876 --> 00:41:52.967
I'm hitting big hooks, hitting big slices, and then I just check the box.

00:41:52.967 --> 00:41:53.717
I'm like, all right, I'm done.

00:41:53.896 --> 00:41:55.306
That's, that's, that's all I'm doing.

00:41:56.237 --> 00:42:03.197
And he got to the point, again, through, through again, through like six weeks, eight weeks, not really seeing scores change.

00:42:04.472 --> 00:42:06.452
But he freaking stuck with it.

00:42:06.452 --> 00:42:08.882
He kept doing it over and over and over again.

00:42:09.032 --> 00:42:18.931
And then it was like, you know, that, um, you know that cartoon where the, where the, where the little guy's gotta pick Axe and he's trying to, to pick his way out of the tunnel, right?

00:42:18.931 --> 00:42:20.431
And he gets to the very last one.

00:42:20.431 --> 00:42:26.942
He is like, oh, if you just, if you just do one more, if you just go one more swing, you're gonna, you're gonna, um.

00:42:27.407 --> 00:42:30.646
Find your way out of this tunnel, but he just turns around and walks the other way.

00:42:30.887 --> 00:42:32.657
Well, this guy actually, he went for it.

00:42:32.657 --> 00:42:38.836
He went for, he actually got that last, and he saw his way out, and then all of a sudden his score just plummeted.

00:42:39.317 --> 00:42:41.476
I mean, he's like, I got, I got better.

00:42:41.686 --> 00:42:43.067
Like I wasn't getting better.

00:42:43.367 --> 00:42:50.447
And then I got way better really quick because at some point it just clicked and it was like, all right.

00:42:50.492 --> 00:42:56.521
Like, I'm seeing like a couple hooks, or I'm seeing a couple fades and it's just like, no big deal.

00:42:56.521 --> 00:43:09.242
I just like change a little bit with my feel and then ball flight's back to straightish and, and he said he really started to be able to do it on the golf course because he, again, he's, he's very growth minded.

00:43:09.242 --> 00:43:14.731
He waits for just a, you know, three to five of, of something kind of similar before.

00:43:14.731 --> 00:43:15.722
He's like, all right, cool.

00:43:15.722 --> 00:43:16.742
That's just where I'm at today.

00:43:17.086 --> 00:43:19.336
And there's a high level of acceptance of that.

00:43:19.967 --> 00:43:30.976
I think golfers are, are a lot of times unwilling to accept that for whatever reason today you're just like bottom swings a little bit higher than what you want or a little bit lower than what you want.

00:43:30.976 --> 00:43:32.686
Or the face is a little bit more open than what you want.

00:43:32.686 --> 00:43:33.496
Like who cares?

00:43:33.547 --> 00:43:35.617
You don't have to know why it's happening.

00:43:36.396 --> 00:43:38.137
You just need to know what it is.

00:43:38.617 --> 00:43:42.972
And if you have field reference points to be able to change it, you can change it without.

00:43:43.443 --> 00:43:43.713
Yeah.

00:43:43.851 --> 00:43:44.661
Missing a beat.

00:43:45.541 --> 00:43:46.472
And this guy did it.

00:43:46.472 --> 00:43:50.161
And I, I told him in the email, I was like, like, what have you been doing?

00:43:50.161 --> 00:43:51.452
Like, like, clue me.

00:43:51.481 --> 00:44:00.061
Like, he's like, yeah, I, I just keep doing skill stuff and, and I just could not be more proud of him because he just, he just kept sticking with it, kept sticking with it.

00:44:00.061 --> 00:44:01.871
And then,, he sees the benefit.

00:44:02.871 --> 00:44:06.652
That's, uh, that's probably my, one of my crazier stories.

00:44:06.652 --> 00:44:11.961
I mean, I've, I've just off, off the dome, but, um, but I think that's a great lesson is like, hey.

00:44:12.666 --> 00:44:19.987
Don't go switching your putter if it's, if it's not working, if you're not seeing the performance in your putting that you want after four rounds,

00:44:20.157 --> 00:44:20.277
I.

00:44:20.476 --> 00:44:22.697
Don't go switching your, your, your coach.

00:44:22.697 --> 00:44:25.246
Don't go switching, um, your golf ball.

00:44:25.246 --> 00:44:34.516
Don't just wait for there to be a large enough sample size for you to be able to confidently say, okay, things are moving in, in a direction that I want or they're not.

00:44:34.516 --> 00:44:35.597
And then even if they're not.

00:44:36.947 --> 00:44:37.217
Right.

00:44:37.217 --> 00:44:39.646
Seek some help, seek some professional help, and just look and see.

00:44:39.677 --> 00:44:41.786
Okay, what are my actual options here?

00:44:42.286 --> 00:44:49.036
Am I, am I just misinterpreting this just slightly or do I really need to take a step back and pivot and go in a completely different direction?

00:44:49.036 --> 00:44:54.257
Like I think a lot of times golfers are just so willy-nilly about going in completely opposite paradigms.

00:44:54.617 --> 00:44:59.476
Like, okay, today I have this paradigm and I played well, so I'm gonna stick with that.

00:44:59.476 --> 00:45:03.556
But then the next day they don't play as well and they're like, oh, that must not be, that must not be correct.

00:45:03.916 --> 00:45:04.757
Like, wait, hold on.

00:45:04.757 --> 00:45:06.757
No, just take it, take a deep breath.

00:45:06.757 --> 00:45:08.706
Just sit there for a minute and just say, Hey, like.

00:45:09.516 --> 00:45:10.567
We are human beings.

00:45:10.567 --> 00:45:11.677
We are not robots.

00:45:11.677 --> 00:45:14.347
We cannot step in the same river twice.

00:45:14.347 --> 00:45:19.836
Just allow for some of that natural variability that happens as a result of you being human.

00:45:20.836 --> 00:45:29.567
I think it's super interesting that golfers some, whether they think this consciously or unconsciously, think, gonna find this one thing and then just repeat it forever.

00:45:30.347 --> 00:45:30.646
Right.

00:45:30.646 --> 00:45:34.456
And then if, if I don't repeat it exactly right, this very high skill thing that I'm

00:45:34.461 --> 00:45:34.811
Right.

00:45:34.996 --> 00:45:35.956
then I've done it wrong.

00:45:36.617 --> 00:45:39.706
And I think that's what we just keep trying to preach on the show is like, no, no, no.

00:45:39.706 --> 00:45:39.766
It

00:45:39.922 --> 00:45:40.402
Right.

00:45:40.427 --> 00:45:40.606
that.

00:45:40.657 --> 00:45:43.746
And Tiger Woods said, I just keep going back to Tiger.

00:45:43.777 --> 00:45:47.077
Tiger would say, yeah, I warm up and kind of see what I have.

00:45:47.106 --> 00:45:47.467
Right?

00:45:47.467 --> 00:45:49.507
Or like, you know, on the front nine I was kind

00:45:49.556 --> 00:45:49.777
Yep.

00:45:49.836 --> 00:45:50.197
everything.

00:45:50.197 --> 00:45:55.476
So I made this little adjustment and I was able to, know, get the ball to go to the right a little bit if I needed it to.

00:45:55.476 --> 00:45:55.717
So.

00:45:56.197 --> 00:46:00.706
Tiger was the most skilled player that probably ever played the game, from driver to

00:46:01.012 --> 00:46:01.282
Mm-hmm.

00:46:01.356 --> 00:46:06.757
I don't know that there would be any argument from anybody saying that, he was always training like that, right?

00:46:06.757 --> 00:46:12.137
He was always, he was always muddying it up and trying to figure out how to make it better, and hitting all the shots he talked about.

00:46:12.197 --> 00:46:16.726
I would warm up with the nine shots, I would hit these nine ball flight windows and all

00:46:16.791 --> 00:46:17.452
Yeah.

00:46:17.476 --> 00:46:21.617
Tiger always skill trained like that so it, it was never

00:46:21.831 --> 00:46:22.342
Yes.

00:46:22.472 --> 00:46:25.891
Which is interesting that he, went through the phases of changing his swing the way he did.

00:46:25.891 --> 00:46:30.692
But I guess he, know, I think there's some other, other parts at play there psychologically.

00:46:30.692 --> 00:46:36.543
But at the end of the day, tiger was giving us the, the blueprint, and then golfers are like, no, no, no.

00:46:36.692 --> 00:46:37.501
It worked yesterday.

00:46:37.501 --> 00:46:38.161
It should work today.

00:46:38.161 --> 00:46:38.942
It should work tomorrow.

00:46:38.942 --> 00:46:39.661
It should never change.

00:46:39.661 --> 00:46:41.465
I should always hit it like this, da da da, da.

00:46:42.242 --> 00:46:43.081
And all we're saying

00:46:43.132 --> 00:46:43.282
Correct.

00:46:43.561 --> 00:46:44.552
just, just, just

00:46:44.871 --> 00:46:45.711
Yeah, exactly.

00:46:45.902 --> 00:46:46.922
And acquire skill.

00:46:46.922 --> 00:46:48.782
And I think it, it's fair to say to your

00:46:49.161 --> 00:46:49.791
A hundred percent.

00:46:50.282 --> 00:46:52.771
And eventually acquired skill, right?

00:46:52.771 --> 00:46:53.942
He worked on skill.

00:46:54.391 --> 00:46:54.692
He didn't

00:46:54.876 --> 00:46:55.297
Yeah.

00:46:55.351 --> 00:46:58.472
skill, and then one day he was like, wow, I've got these skills.

00:46:58.592 --> 00:46:59.222
I've acquired it.

00:46:59.882 --> 00:47:00.481
You know, like I

00:47:00.666 --> 00:47:00.936
Yes.

00:47:01.202 --> 00:47:04.981
I've gone through some phases where I've played a little more tennis than other times, right?

00:47:04.981 --> 00:47:12.362
It's not anytime recently, you know, you can, you can tell you play a little tennis, you're not hitting it in the good part of the racket.

00:47:12.362 --> 00:47:13.231
You don't really know why.

00:47:13.231 --> 00:47:16.351
You keep hitting, you keep practicing, keep playing with your friends.

00:47:16.532 --> 00:47:20.661
Next thing you know, You gotta hit that forehand and bam, it's right off the middle of the racket strings.

00:47:20.661 --> 00:47:21.052
Why?

00:47:21.891 --> 00:47:23.302
Well,'cause you acquired skill.

00:47:23.302 --> 00:47:24.652
There's no answer to it, right?

00:47:24.652 --> 00:47:29.121
Like you just, you, you got to that point where you were able to, your brain was figuring it out.

00:47:29.751 --> 00:47:34.702
And golf is like that too, if you let it and if you train it, and if you accept it and you work on it.

00:47:35.422 --> 00:47:38.532
And, so I think that's a really, really good encouraging story.

00:47:39.297 --> 00:47:40.347
About one of your students.

00:47:40.347 --> 00:47:42.567
For the people that listen to say like, just stick with it.

00:47:42.567 --> 00:47:47.666
Stick with the things that you know, especially this time of year, like this is the time of year to work on your skills.

00:47:48.266 --> 00:47:50.936
Build'em up, don't look for new swing changes.

00:47:51.646 --> 00:47:52.137
Totally.

00:47:52.197 --> 00:47:54.927
skills and see, and see what you can do with it.

00:47:54.927 --> 00:47:57.266
So I really, I really appreciate that story.

00:47:57.797 --> 00:48:18.956
And if in that first lesson he didn't see the golf ball do something different, like it's one thing to stick to an idea of like, oh, your elbow should be in this position, or the club should be in this position, or Your left hip should be doing this, and you're like, well, there isn't really any obvious evidence that it's doing anything.

00:48:19.452 --> 00:48:30.822
Uh, productive for me, it's just because this person believes that I should do that, versus an idea that you directly experience in the moment makes a difference to something that you care about.

00:48:31.061 --> 00:48:43.992
Because if in that first lesson, if I didn't get him to go from not ever being able to hit a ball, left of target to being able to hit a little draw that actually finishes at or just left of Target.

00:48:45.402 --> 00:48:49.811
Then I probably wouldn't have had him buy in and continue that process.

00:48:49.811 --> 00:49:03.336
So I think again, that's, that's as much of a, a lesson for our coaches as possible is like, even if the swing isn't exactly what you want, even if the rhythm's a little bit off, or if the grip's not quite what you like, or the posture is not quite right.

00:49:04.032 --> 00:49:05.952
It's so worth it.

00:49:05.981 --> 00:49:14.532
Just to give them the tools and give them the autonomy and to give them the power to be able to do something different with a golf ball when they want to do it.

00:49:15.101 --> 00:49:22.782
That I just think it's such an easy, no-brainer play call to make in the, especially if you know that you're gonna see the person again.

00:49:23.081 --> 00:49:29.922
If you know that you've got some bandwidth with this player and it's not gonna be just like a one-off and you know okay, well I can give them this skill training.

00:49:30.266 --> 00:49:37.586
They're gonna do it for two weeks and I'll come back and fix their grip and they'll come back and I'll, I'll adjust their posture, I'll, or they'll come back and I'll improve their rhythm.

00:49:37.637 --> 00:49:43.967
I just think that if they can go from hitting a top and then looking straight at you and saying, oh, why did I do that?

00:49:44.356 --> 00:49:50.867
To hitting a top and then having that relationship and that kind of, that conversation with themselves to say, oh, how interesting.

00:49:51.166 --> 00:49:53.327
The bottom of my swing was just a little higher than what I wanted there.

00:49:53.686 --> 00:49:54.137
Cool.

00:49:54.407 --> 00:49:54.677
Let's.

00:49:55.097 --> 00:49:57.347
Make another swing and see if that changes or not.

00:49:57.347 --> 00:49:57.586
Right.

00:49:58.036 --> 00:50:00.976
It's so worth it to make that intervention.

00:50:01.367 --> 00:50:02.387
Um, pun intended.

00:50:03.686 --> 00:50:05.577
No, agree.

00:50:05.726 --> 00:50:06.387
Totally agree.

00:50:07.407 --> 00:50:12.867
that is a great story and an encouragement to the listeners to go out there and work on your skills people.

00:50:13.347 --> 00:50:15.867
Well, Rob, that was a good episode.

00:50:15.867 --> 00:50:18.206
I feel like anything else you want to add here at the end of the

00:50:18.376 --> 00:50:18.677
Yeah,

00:50:18.717 --> 00:50:19.467
conversation?

00:50:19.606 --> 00:50:23.746
no, we've been kind of going through this new, uh, this format of having a quick question.

00:50:24.556 --> 00:50:29.597
A discussion of like levels one, two, and three, and then like some stories from our lesson tee.

00:50:29.597 --> 00:50:33.547
And uh,, we got like a two for one when it comes to the golf ball stuff, which I thought was great.

00:50:33.547 --> 00:50:38.476
And then, uh, yeah, no, that was a couple,, what I thought would be really valuable stories for the listener for sure.

00:50:38.751 --> 00:50:42.952
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00:50:52.987 --> 00:50:59.516
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Hope you make a lot of birdies this week, and we will catch you next time on the golf intervention.

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Cheers.