Dec. 30, 2025
EP 51: Goal Setting, Revisited: Getting Focused for the New Year.
Send us a text As the new golf year begins, we’re revisiting one of our most important episodes on goal setting—because most golfers still approach goals in a way that actually holds them back. In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we break down how to set goals that align with scoring, skills, and process, not vague outcomes or unrealistic expectations. We also kick things off with a brief update on why we’ve been quiet the past couple of months—and more importantly, why we’re officially...
As the new golf year begins, we’re revisiting one of our most important episodes on goal setting—because most golfers still approach goals in a way that actually holds them back. In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we break down how to set goals that align with scoring, skills, and process, not vague outcomes or unrealistic expectations.
We also kick things off with a brief update on why we’ve been quiet the past couple of months—and more importantly, why we’re officially back on schedule with recording and releasing new episodes.
If you’re setting golf goals for the new year, this is the framework you need before you hit the range or the course.
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And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast.
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name is Eric Leighton.
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I'm sitting here with my co-host, Rob Fails.
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It is nearly New Year's Eve on the East Coast.
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We're getting close and we just wanted to say we missed you.
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Same.
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We're back.
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We're back.
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We've never really gone anywhere, but we are back.
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I guess we went somewhere.
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Um, if you are hearing us have this conversation,
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Nothing happened to us.
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We we're safe.
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Right?
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We're not, not, not we.
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We didn't meet our demise, but
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We still have a podcast.
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Yeah.
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what did happen though is we had some technical difficulties that we've been working through, which is all my fault.
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However, if you're hearing this,
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No.
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they have been resolved.
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So we've done this a few times, we record and
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Yep.
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doesn't work.
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And so
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Yeah.
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just hope you hear this because I wanted to, uh, update the listener and just say, we are.
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I'm gonna be back.
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We're gonna be better than ever.
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The Golf Intervention 2.0 is about to be unleashed upon you.
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Be excited for some new, exciting episodes, which we're going to be bringing out in the new year.
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uh, yeah, no, I know.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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Uh, the time away has made me miss it.
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I will say that.
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How about you, Rob?
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I a hundred percent miss it.
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Yeah,
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much we miss it, also we had some things we had to work through both technologically and personally and other
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yeah,
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and,
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yeah.
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When we, when we were first in our, kind of, our rhythm of recording this, uh, my son was going to bed at 7 30, 7 45.
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Uh, and you might hear some background noise.
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He is running around like a wild man right now, and it is 10 18, which makes it a little trickier.
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Um, but no, he's, uh, maybe hopefully some, some day soon he'll start to drop his nap and then maybe his bedtime will move back up closer to, you know, when we, when we used to have it.
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So, um, but yeah,
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Many people,
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here now, so.
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to this, have had two year olds before, so we know.
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What it is like, and we understand.
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So that's why we're not upset about it.
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But we've been working you and I on
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Yep.
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maybe some alternate options for recording.
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So we're gonna work through it.
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What we're gonna do is
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Yep.
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it happen.
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And actually it's a slower time of year for both Rob and I, um, in Central Virginia for
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Yeah.
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So our energies get turned, to this, which is a very fun outlet for both he and I and we do this, you know, for the good of golf, hopefully.
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That's why we do it.
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We enjoy it.
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It's a nice hobby.
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So we're glad you tune in.
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We
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Yep.
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the listener we wanted to kind of just drop back into the feed.
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What we really,
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Kind of just.
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run.
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See if it works.
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See if it doesn't, Robbie could steal maybe 10 minutes, um, to sit down and record so.
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If you're hearing this, like I said, it worked and then we we're gonna have an episode.
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So what we're gonna do is we're
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Yes.
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uh, with some light editing our episode on goal setting, which was one of my favorite, probably are one of our most, uh, positive feedback episodes that we did.
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I would encourage you to listen to it again'cause it is that time of year, the, you know, new Year's for no good reason.
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It's just like the turn of the year.
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But people do, um, look at their.
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their goals or their life or their dreams and hopes and aspirations.
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And they tend to start planning towards, uh, you know, self-improvement or whatever in the new year.
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And so I figured, hey, let's take a
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Here,
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back into the feed,
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let's take a moment, drop back.
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we're still here, we're
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Let everybody know that we are not the right
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episodes, hopefully just back in the
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bringing out these episodes at three.
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This is back in the
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very shortly in the new
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mm-hmm.
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Um.
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So please tune into that episode, refresh yourself on your goal setting, and
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He to that episode refresh itself,
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write some stuff out.
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see down.
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think it can be
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So.
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helpful exercise.
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What else you got going on, Rob fails.
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Anything else you wanna report?
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What else you got going on about anything else you wanna miss?
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Yeah, so we're super excited, um, our next retreat.
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So, if you're familiar, obviously aside from being, lead instructor at at Burwood Golf as well as., I work with Eric here on the podcast.
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I also have a yearly coaching conference that I run, with, mark Grace, Sean Kennedy and Garrett Ard.
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It's called the Retreat.
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This is actually our, gosh, is this our fourth year now?
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Fourth or fifth year,, in a row of doing this.
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Um, every year we bring in, um, at least one doctor, uh, um, in the kind of like the golf, uh, performance realm.
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Um, and we get to spend time.
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With him, with, with him slash them.
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And it's a very kind of, uh, intimate environment, right?
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We do usually 30 to 35 attendees over two days.
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And we pride ourselves on making it as hands-on and applicable as possible for when you.
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Take it and you go back home to wherever you teach and, and are able to actually start to apply what we're doing.
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So that's gonna be October 26th, 27th in Chicago, Illinois, Skokie Country Club, this upcoming year.
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So, we're gonna have Dr.
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Raymond Pryor come and, uh, and be our, feature doctor.
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Uh, it's gonna be awesome.
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And then, myself.
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Sean Garrett and Mark, for the first time, we're actually gonna be doing, um, all four of us are gonna have our own designated, um, presentation time and exploration time to where we're gonna go ahead and, uh, kind of take you through some of the stuff that we've been doing with our clients.
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So, uh, we are very, very excited about that.
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That'd be the only main update, really,
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Yeah.
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aside from having a three major
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Um, just to be clear, that's for golf instructors, um, edu education for golf instructors.
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Yep.
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Mm-hmm.
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uh, that team is great people.
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Those are great people.
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And, hopefully I can go to Skokie Country Club this year.
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We'll see.
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We'll see how the year, see how the year plays
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Come on.
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Um, I would love to do that for sure.
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And so that is it, that is,
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Yeah.
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is our update.
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I will say you, you mentioned Raymond Pryor, man, go back and listen to that.
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That is our number one most listened to episode that we've had.
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I look at the stats, Dr.
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Raymond Pryor has been life altering for me.
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I would say that reading his book and getting to, to interview him and I, I sent his interview with us to somebody last week.
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Who I thought needed it, and she, and she texted me back and said, wow, that was really good.
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That was really, really helpful for the stuff that
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Yeah.
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with.
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And so for me in 2026, I have this vision of pursuing.
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if you've listened to that episode, you'll know there's avoidance and there's pursuing, and I, I.
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I wanna pursue more in 2026.
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That's my vision for, so I just feel like going for things that I like to do is gonna be a bigger part of my story
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Mm-hmm.
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2026 and,
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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Not a New Year's resolution or anything.
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I'm just trying to, trying to do life a little bit better.
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That's it.
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So,
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Yep.
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got nothing else to
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Love it.
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unless you do, Rob.
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We'll get you off the call and you can go chase Jackson around and, uh, I hope you have a great evening and thank you again people for tuning in.
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Yeah.
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Intervention Podcast.
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I promise we miss you and we will be back.
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And we are, uh, we'll be back probably, hopefully next week.
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We're gonna figure out, we're gonna start recording, um, even if it's later
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Yeah.
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if that works.
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Um, I'm gonna try to stay up later in my advanced age, tender years.
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I will try to pick a night and stay up a little bit later, um, because I do enjoy it so much.
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So, That's it.
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So
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too.
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everyone has a great New Year's.
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Be safe and uh, I look forward to some great conversations and some great golf in 2026.
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And welcome in to the Golf Intervention Podcast.
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Whether you're a weekend warrior looking to shave a few strokes off your handicap, or a competitive player striving for excellence, join us as we explore the science strategies and secrets behind mastering the game of golf.
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It is time for your golf intervention.
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How you doing today?
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Rob fails.
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I know I'm doing pretty well here in Richmond, Virginia.
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I'm doing great.
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Doing great.
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Eric, thanks for, uh, thanks for joining me tonight.
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Should be, uh, should be a lot of fun.
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I wanna start off, um, by saying thanks to Mark Sweeney again.
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We had such a good interview with him.
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Aim Point.
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If you haven't listened to that episode, please go back and check it out.
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We could not be more appreciative.
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And it was so cool checking in on the PGA and watching all those guys in the final groups using AIM Point, just like we said they did, and you could see it right on the screen.
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So.
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Really cool to see that those guys are really great putters, as we all know.
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And, uh, of course they're mostly using name points, so kind of proved what we were talking about there.
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So that was kind of fun.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's, uh, like Mark said, it's almost surprising now when they're not using it, which is, uh, which is testament to how accurate it is.
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So on today's episode, we're gonna talk about goals and really we're gonna talk about.
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Achieving satisfaction with your golf game and how do goals really play some type of role in that?
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Um, I'm kind of excited for this episode in a way'cause it's going back.
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We're kind of going back in time, back to our first few episodes when we really started to introduce how the golf intervention was gonna look at.
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Scoring strategies and who you are as a player and kind of break down the science of this thing and get you on a game plan for improvement.
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Um, and so we're going back a little bit to that and we're gonna expand out on that a little bit here.
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We're gonna start with goals and it was really interesting.
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Yeah, because Robbie and I had a little pre-production meeting and I said, maybe we could, maybe we can expand on skill or on on goal setting.
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And uh, and we had a long conversation and um, and we kinda went through, we kinda went through goals and, and it was, and I was gonna entitle this episode.
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Why Rob fails?
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Hates goals.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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Just being, just being funny.
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Um.
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'cause he definitely doesn't, but I think it was a really good discussion about sort of parsing out.
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How, how relevant, really goal setting is to a, to a golfer and how important it is for them, if it is, it even is important depending on who you are as a player.
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So when we, when we look at goals, you know, I was a business major in college and they're gonna teach you, um, goals.
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There's this acronym smart.
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Remember, remember that, Rob?
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Did you learn the smart goal acronym whenever you were in college?
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And the Smart Goal acronym, um, really it sort of stood for, um, specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time based.
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That was what SMART meant, and as you and I were discussing it, um.
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You brought up some really good points about smart goals, which was, is it really, is that really how golf works?
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I mean, is it really, and and the biggest sticking point I think that you and I found was the time, the time-based element to it.
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Although we found other sticking points too.
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But you as a golfer, as you're setting goals, um, I think that.
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Whether you realize it or not in your game, if you're satisfied or dissatisfied with how you're playing, um, which you're probably gonna fall into one of those camps, right?
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Um, you probably have some type of goal.
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We're actually gonna detail three different sort of, uh, subsets of goals that you would definitely fall into.
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You go, oh, yeah, yeah, that's me.
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I have that goal, or I have two of those, or three of those goals and.
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And, and it's really probably a little bit better description of it than the smart goal, don't you think, Robin, we're gonna go into these here in a second.
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Yeah, no doubt.
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Let's go back, let's talk about, let's talk about the smart goal for just a second.
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Um, and, and I think it's, I think that the smart goal is really probably very helpful when you're talking about.
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Business strategies or sales stuff or, or that kind of thing, like in the quote unquote in the real world.
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But when you're talking about athletic performance, how do you feel like the smart goal really attaches to that or is really relevant for that, uh, certain type of performance?
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Yeah, I think piggybacking on our conversation we had actually just before going on air, I think it really depends on.
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The type of goal.
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I think when it comes to being in the real world, a lot of times we can easily meet our goals just through effort, right?
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Just through cognitive understanding.
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I don't have this piece of information.
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I'm gonna go find it.
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Now I have it.
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And a lot of people want to believe that acquiring golf skill is like that.
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They don't know how to do it.
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X Pro tells them here's what to do, and now they have it.
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And for many people, they haven't actually learned a motor skill since they learned to probably drive a car.
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And if you think about a lot of the clients that we're working with, 60 years old, 65 years old, who still have goals, they still wanna play at a high level.
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You ask them, when's the last time you actually learned?
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A motor skill.
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Um, and you get some amazing answers.
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I mean, I've had 65 year olds say, oh, I just learned how to play piano.
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I'm like, oh my gosh, that's incredible.
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And sure enough, they're typically right, uh, quite a bit better, uh, when it comes to understanding the learning process.
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But even for a lot of people when they, you really ask'em to think about it, and you peel back the onion layer after layer after layer, they haven't learned.
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To do anything since they learned to drive a car motor skill wise, which is insane to think about, like learning in of itself is a skill.
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You can get better at learning, you can get worse at learning.
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Um, and I think a lot of people fall out of touch with learning.
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And so I think this is gonna be a really good episode'cause we're gonna talk about what is it to learn and what is it to really.
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Have a game plan for how you're going to acquire a new motor skill.
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I can't wait to get into this.
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I, I think that you and I being around, um, busy active golf places, we see people every day.
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Some I'm very satisfied with how they're playing.
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Others very dissatisfied with how they're playing.
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And I think my goal as an instructor a lot of the times is to say, Hey, let's, let's figure out what's going on there and,'cause I want you to be satisfied with golf, like.
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For many of the people, although that not all, and by the way, I was just, just kind of involved in helping with someone's playing in a very large professional tournament this week.
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So nice.
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Um, some not all play for play for fun or play for enjoyment or recreation.
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And when, when whatever their expectation or quote unquote goal gets misaligned from their.
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S current skill set or their current abilities or their current idea about how they should be playing.
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Um, that's when the frustration, uh, sets in.
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And for me, like right now being that I've played very little golf this year, like it.
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If you said, Hey, Eric, let's play the two man next week, or whatever.
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I, I would've very realistic expectations about how I'm gonna perform in that.
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So I probably wouldn't be too frustrated because I know I just haven't played very much.
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Right.
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But I think golfers in general, um, people in general, like just not even in golf, but in life, we all struggle with that sort of realization, that actualization between, you know.
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What is my performance?
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What should I, should I be doing?
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What's gonna make me happy?
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What doesn't?
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How do I get there?
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Right?
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And like you said, if I just work harder in a lot of things or I just put the effort in, I'm gonna get there.
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But golf just really doesn't always work that way.
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And that's why the smart goal doesn't always land to the absolute best.
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Not always.
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Yeah.
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Um.
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Yeah, it doesn't always lend to that.
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So what we, what we're gonna talk about here, I'm gonna introduce three separate types of goals.
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Okay?
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A little bit different way of looking at it.
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Um, the very first type of goal we're gonna talk about, I'm just gonna name them and we'll talk about a little bit.
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One is an outcome goal, second is a performance goal, and the third would be a process goal.
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So outcome goal is really gonna be like, Hey, I wanna do this thing.
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Like I wanna, I wanna win a golf tournament.
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I want to be valedictorian.
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I want to, um, become, you know, CEO of IBMI wanna be president of the United States.
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Like these are outcome goals, right?
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That I'm sort of, sort of have a vision for how I wanna unfold my life or my career.
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A, a performance goal is gonna be more about your skillset.
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Like, this is gonna be about me, um, determining the skills that I have and then working on them to be a little bit better, or, you know, or improve them or keep them sharp or whatever, and they're measurable.
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Um, so like in golf, the equivalent might be in performance.
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I, I want to hit more greens and regulation.
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I wanna make more putts from, you know, four to six feet.
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I wanna.
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You know, drive the ball further.
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Like those are, those are performance based goals.
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And then per the process based goal is really about, um.
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The, the really the process of improvement, right?
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Like, so how I'm gonna work through, uh, what it is and I'm trying to do, how I'm gonna train it, how I'm gonna set up that process.
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So, um, as we look at this from these separate outcomes, we can start to see now Rob fails.
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There's some problems there with the smart goals and how that all fits into that.
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Am I not right about that?
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Correct?
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Yes.
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And, uh, I think the, the big differentiating factor that.
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We discussed, uh, off air is just how as you move from process to performance to outcome, you have less and less and less control over whether or not you achieve your goal or not.
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So again, what what that looks like is from a, from a process standpoint, it could be, alright, my process here is.
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Exactly what I'm gonna do to read this putt.
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This is my process goal.
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I'm going to put my feet in the middle section of the putt.
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I'm going to walk back.
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I'm going to use that information to determine a start line, and then from there, I'm going to focus on my speed control.
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Right?
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So that is a process, a mental process.
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That you have complete control over.
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There is nothing that the environment or nothing that any other plane competitors are gonna do to interrupt that process.
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Now, as you move from process to performance, even though the process is directly influencing the performance, you have less control over what's going on performance wise.
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You can do everything in your power.
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The golf ball, be up in the air in a.
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In a, in a bird fly across and, and hit your golf ball like you have, you have, you know, much, much less control over from a performance standpoint.
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Um, what ends up happening and then when you go from performance to outcome.
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So you think about the PGA, that just happened, right?
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I would be willing to, to, I'd be, I'd bet any amount of money that Bryce and de Shambo met or exceeded his performance goals.
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I mean, it was like the lowest.
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S uh, total score for PGA championship in like forever, I think.
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Right?
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So yeah, even though he met his performance goals, he didn't meet his outcome goal of winning the tournament.
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And so from an outcome standpoint, that's where you really have virtually no control.
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I shouldn't say no control.
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You have some control, but you have much less control over the outcome relative to the performance and then relative to the, the process.
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So all this to say.
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And you can kind of see where we're probably gonna end up going with this is that we would highly recommend process goals.
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We, they're almost, I shouldn't say man, but they're, they're pretty much mandatory for you to move to the next level.
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I think performance goals are still incredibly important to have, um, maybe a little bit less so than process.
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And then outcome goals, they can be great, but I think.
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What we'll talk about in this and later on in the show is that they're not mandatory in all scenarios.
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Yeah.
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And I think depending on who you are, and you're sitting there thinking about this to yourself, and this is what we, this is what we're about on the golf intervention is saying as, as you, as the listener, you know, put yourself, just think about your yourself for a second, and what are your goals?
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Are you much more outcome oriented?
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You know, are you saying, you know, I wanna win?
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My match on Saturday, I wanna win the club championship.
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Um, I want to beat this friend of mine who I always play with.
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I mean, those are a lot of the times how we, how we measure up.
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Um.
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And I like what you said there about control.
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You know, we have ultimate control over our process and if we, if we set the goal up to be process oriented a, I think our performance will likely improve.
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Not guaranteed.
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Yes.
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And therefore, if our performance likely improves, then we'll get some outcomes that we'll be satisfied with.
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I would think, unless we're not in the realm of reality.
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Right.
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And like I was saying to you before we came on.
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I, I could go try to play on the PGA tour, I would not do very well.
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And if I tried to think that that was reality for me, I'd be very dissatisfied.
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Right.
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So I'm very in reality when it comes to what my outcomes should be.
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And so when you look at performance, you know, you and I have, we, we really.
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Spend a lot of time.
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This is where data really comes in for performance, right?
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Um, but again, that can't really improve until the process improves.
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So, I'm with you.
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I think it's all about process.
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Uh.
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Outcomes.
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Yeah.
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I mean they'll, they, like you were saying, you don't have control of it.
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They kind of take care of themselves in a way.
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And Bryson had no out, he had no control.
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There's no defense in that in the PGA championship.
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Right.
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Sanders shuffle just put, played better.
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No, he was just standing there watching that putt go in while he is, you know, warming up on the range and that.
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That's a great, that was a great example of outcome goals and how there's nothing you do, you just.
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Was watching what was happening with that putt and it just didn't go his way.
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So yeah, I, I think, um, I think that's a, that's a good representation of that for sure.
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So now that we've defined these three types of goals, and you can sit there as a golfer, hopefully listening to this and say, okay, yeah.
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Like, I can see what I've been looking to achieve with my game and sort of tying, tying.
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You know, whatever it is that I'm trying to do or trying to feel about my game to one of those types of goals.
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Right.
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And this is different than the smart goal thing because I think that the smart goal thing and what we had a problem with was it was just so, it was so like it, it's not really how.
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Athletic performance works anyway and definitely not golf.
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'cause remember, golf is really hard.
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There's so many skills involved.
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There's such a diverse environment.
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You're really playing the golf course, but then you're, you're playing the golf course against other players who are playing the same golf course.
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And so it just changes, you know, it's just a different situation.
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So let's go into now with that framework in mind, let's talk about the outcome based goal.
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Yes.
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I think it's pretty easy to see here where the frustration lies in outcome based goals, correct?
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Yes.
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I think, uh, the first thing that I would want everyone to do or not do is do not couple your self-worth with your outcome goals.
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And this seems obvious.
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This seems like.
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Every, you know, everyone who's gonna listen to this podcast is gonna say, well, of course, I, I don't do that already.
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But you'd be surprised.
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There are questions, really relatively existential questions you can ask yourself of like, what if my best isn't good enough?
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Are you going to be okay?
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And you need to be able to answer that question unequivocally, yes, I'm going to be okay even if my best isn't good enough.
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Because again, you have so little.
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Control over the outcome is that if you start to say, okay, well I am a golfer who wins tournaments, well then what happens if you're not winning a tournament?
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Who are you then?
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Right?
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So you need to make sure that you, outcome goals are just, it's like a, it's like a compass.
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It's just pointing you in a direction of where you want to go.
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Long term.
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It is not.
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A end all be all, and your wellbeing is not dependent on you achieving this outcome goal.
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I think that would be the first place that I'd like to go with that.
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Yeah.
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And it depends on what, I think that there's a lot of deep psychological, uh, aspects to this whole part of it, because I'm way better as a, as a coach talking about things like process and performance than I am outcomes.
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Yeah.
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And in fact, I don't talk about outcomes all that often.
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I think you and I were discussing that off air before we started recording.
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It's like, I don't know that I've ever had an outcome goal for myself.
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Um, part of that is because, you know, just the reality of playing golf and teaching golf and being a parent and like, you know, I was always, always process oriented, always.
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And then performance to an extent, um, as I started being able to track things and try to figure that out a little bit more.
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But this is really before the stat age, right?
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'cause I'm older, so that was a little bit, uh, earlier.
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And so I think that there, your motivations and sort of your self-worth and all those things are really questions that people have to ask themselves, right?
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Like, I, I'm not gonna be able to solve that for somebody.
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But what I can tell you is.
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The frustration that I see with people lies mostly in the outcome.
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If it's performance based, we can work on it, you know, like typically we can work on performance, uh, numbers and we, we can, we can use the things that we talk about, data points and track man stuff and whatever, uh, scoring strategies, all these things.
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But when it comes to outcome based.
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I, I don't have a lot of answers there because this is really just the person and themselves trying to determine what it is their vision for their life is, right?
00:27:07.694 --> 00:27:07.755
Yeah.
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So it's like, as a, for instance, if my son who came to me, who's a great student, right?
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He's graduating tomorrow or two days from now, excuse me, really excited, um, great student going to the, going to the University of Virginia, which is just an absolute unbelievable thing for him, right?
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And.
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If he said to me, Hey, you know, um, my goal is to be president of the United States.
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I, I don't know.
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I don't know what I would say.
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You know, like, well, that's awesome, right?
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Um, and then he would have to try to figure out how he's gonna perform and how he's gonna work on his process to get there.
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Right.
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And what I would encourage him is to say, you know what, it'd be cool to be the president of the United States, but.
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That's really outta your hands, right?
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Like you can work towards that.
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You can make all these choices along the way.
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You can figure out how to study the best, you can figure out how to, um, really take all the right career choices, meet the right people, but at the end of the day, it's really outta your hands, right?
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Something like that is in the voter's hands or something like being president of IBM or something like that.
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That's outta your hands as well.
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Somebody else is making that decision for you, and so you cannot.
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Really look at that and say, son, you know, my life would be worthless if I didn't achieve that.
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Right?
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Like, and that's kind of what we see in golf sometimes, where the biggest frustration lies with golfers, I see it all the time, is they're just not per, they're not getting to that outcome that they think they deserve and that it's frustrating them.
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Right.
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I think you and I would say, Hey.
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That's a vision that you're having.
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Great.
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Now let's talk about what's really going on with your performance and with your process.
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Is that kind of how you would look at it too, Rob, or you got some different insight there?
00:28:53.880 --> 00:29:01.289
No, that I think we are definitely on the same page as far as that goes, and that gets into the relevancy of it, right?
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What is relevant for this person?
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We can't really tell you from an outcome standpoint what's relevant for you, but what we can tell you is.
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Relative to that outcome, what performance metrics are relevant and then relative to that performance goal, right?
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What processes are gonna be relevant for you?
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So that's where we more come in, uh, more often than not.
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It was fun.
00:29:25.724 --> 00:29:37.964
We did a little exercise, you and I, uh, before we came on the air, um, where we were sort of divvying up the, the pieces of the smart goal, um, and sort of graphing them into.
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:43.380
The different types of, uh, goals as far as process, performance and outcome.
00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:45.450
And it was really interesting to do that.
00:29:45.450 --> 00:29:49.230
Most of them fell under performance strong, strongest under performance.
00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:51.420
Obviously, they could have ranges on each one of them.
00:29:51.900 --> 00:30:00.539
Um, the outcome based goal really only has two of the smart goals that really are any part of that, which would be measurable and timely.
00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:00.869
Right.
00:30:00.869 --> 00:30:05.200
Like outside of that, the, the, the relevancy of it.
00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:10.859
Um, the achievable part of it, like none of that's really as relevant as it is to the other ones.
00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:11.220
Right.
00:30:11.490 --> 00:30:15.000
As far as performance goes, almost everything applies to performance, right?
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:21.809
Like every, every part of it is in the performance, but the most relevant we determined was the process, right?
00:30:21.809 --> 00:30:23.519
So that, that's so interesting.
00:30:23.549 --> 00:30:25.799
Well, why would that be the process?
00:30:26.115 --> 00:30:28.785
Is what drives the other stuff, right?
00:30:28.785 --> 00:30:30.884
So that's, that's really what it's all about.
00:30:31.184 --> 00:30:34.335
Um, so we've discussed real here outcome.
00:30:34.365 --> 00:30:39.884
We think outcome based is gonna be your most frustrating, so let's go to performance.
00:30:39.890 --> 00:30:44.234
I, I think performance can be a little more neutral in some of this.
00:30:44.325 --> 00:30:48.615
Like it's a little more, I'm trying to use the right term here.
00:30:48.615 --> 00:30:51.884
It can be more neutral for the right word, but basically it's like a little bit more.
00:30:52.884 --> 00:30:56.724
I was gonna say the, it's almost less emotional because it's either a plus or a minus.
00:30:56.724 --> 00:31:00.414
Like I, I, in my performance goals, I'm either doing it or I'm not.
00:31:00.565 --> 00:31:00.865
Right.
00:31:00.865 --> 00:31:06.714
And, and then I should be able to with modern, this is kind of the point we made way back in episode one and two is.
00:31:07.184 --> 00:31:13.244
You know, we can measure the metrics and then we can determine data points for you to work on, and then we just work on it, right?
00:31:13.244 --> 00:31:15.285
And that's just, then we have a process to work on it.
00:31:15.285 --> 00:31:20.565
So, you know, like if I wanna hit more greens and regulation, you and I are gonna figure that answer out for them.
00:31:20.835 --> 00:31:23.174
Okay, well how many are you, how many are you hitting it?
00:31:23.174 --> 00:31:23.924
Where are you missing it?
00:31:23.924 --> 00:31:25.095
What's your dispersion patterns?
00:31:25.095 --> 00:31:27.434
Like, let's look at your face to path numbers.
00:31:27.434 --> 00:31:29.025
Let, let's look at your contact issues.
00:31:29.025 --> 00:31:34.335
Let's look at, you know, all the relevant things, and then put it into that, and then we'll be able to figure it out, right?
00:31:34.335 --> 00:31:35.595
So there's a little bit more of a.
00:31:36.099 --> 00:31:42.670
Uh, I don't wanna say less emotional, but it's more math based there, you know, like here it is, there's the data point, and it's not the data point.
00:31:42.670 --> 00:31:43.779
Boom, boom, boom, off I go.
00:31:43.779 --> 00:31:44.200
Right.
00:31:44.529 --> 00:31:45.819
Um, do you disagree with that?
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:46.960
Not at all.
00:31:47.049 --> 00:31:47.289
No.
00:31:47.289 --> 00:31:49.569
I think that's, that's, that's spot on.
00:31:50.710 --> 00:31:54.160
And then we go into process and that's a little more warm and fuzzy in a way.
00:31:54.730 --> 00:31:56.200
So that's kinda the way I look at it.
00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:01.509
I mean, like, the process piece of it is more of the like, um.
00:32:02.575 --> 00:32:07.075
That achievement of waking up in the morning and getting on the Peloton and just knowing that you did it.
00:32:07.075 --> 00:32:08.390
Like there's a, there's a.
00:32:09.099 --> 00:32:16.240
There's an achievement to that, that like, when you're in the process and you're trusting the process, like it just feels right.
00:32:16.390 --> 00:32:17.619
You know, like, it just feels right.
00:32:17.619 --> 00:32:20.650
So let, let's not glance over performance base here.
00:32:20.650 --> 00:32:22.210
I want to get into that a little bit with you.
00:32:22.210 --> 00:32:33.789
So when we look at the performance based goals specifically, I think, again, going back to some of our first very earlier episodes, um, this is where.
00:32:34.180 --> 00:32:36.055
We like to capture some data, right?
00:32:36.055 --> 00:32:38.545
Like, isn't it, isn't it in the performance space?
00:32:38.545 --> 00:32:58.224
If I'm gonna be satisfied with how I'm doing, if I capture data and capture statistics and I can analyze'em with something like Game Forge, um, which we talked about with Mark Sweeney last week, isn't that really the thing that guides me towards, um, my satisfaction with my performance goals?
00:32:59.154 --> 00:32:59.785
Yes.
00:32:59.875 --> 00:33:00.684
Yeah, absolutely.
00:33:00.684 --> 00:33:01.519
That's gonna be where.
00:33:02.859 --> 00:33:16.390
Most of your attention's gonna be certainly af right after you play is, what was I trying to do as far as a performance metric side of it goes, um, how was I trying to do it?
00:33:16.390 --> 00:33:19.240
And then ultimately what I do, right?
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:21.640
What was, what was the actual performance?
00:33:21.670 --> 00:33:27.640
And then because that is, that is most directly tied to our processes.
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.490
So really the, the performance is.
00:33:30.789 --> 00:33:40.119
Uh, the feedback for, you know, what, what kind of processes are, are the processes that I'm putting in place actually moving me in the direction that I want?
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:46.750
And I know that based off of the objective, measurable, specific, right.
00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:49.359
The non-emotional performance metrics.
00:33:49.630 --> 00:33:49.690
Yeah.
00:33:49.690 --> 00:33:52.990
Non-emotional, measurable, mathematical.
00:33:52.990 --> 00:33:55.269
Like that's what I, that's really what I was after.
00:33:55.539 --> 00:33:57.309
And I think that's the world I live in.
00:33:58.029 --> 00:34:06.609
Um, e each and every day with my students is a lot of that performance, um, based sort of relevancy.
00:34:06.700 --> 00:34:11.710
And obviously then you're putting in the process like you're saying to, to, to, to get to where you want to go.
00:34:12.099 --> 00:34:14.949
Um, but every day I try to be in that moment.
00:34:14.949 --> 00:34:16.780
It's, it's really interesting to me.
00:34:17.170 --> 00:34:25.420
Um, I had some conversations with golfers who were sort of dissatisfied with how they were playing.
00:34:25.929 --> 00:34:26.889
I wanna say they're.
00:34:27.369 --> 00:34:41.469
They were very outcome oriented, not achieving that, and then sort of not going back into their, either their performance, it was some measurable data point or their, into their process for that.
00:34:41.469 --> 00:34:47.829
But I think the performance was the key for the, for this, actually it was a few people I was talking to with the same, with the same type of thing.
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:54.070
Then they wanted to blame things like, um, you know, I'm not committed to my shots or I'm not.
00:34:54.670 --> 00:34:59.559
Trusting my swing, or I'm not, you know, I need a sports psychologist and all this stuff.
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:03.250
And, and my answer to to them was like, well, no.
00:35:03.250 --> 00:35:06.579
It's like your, your face is four degrees open and impact on your driver.
00:35:06.579 --> 00:35:07.900
You're always gonna hit it in the woods.
00:35:07.900 --> 00:35:10.869
I don't care how much you trust it, I trust that swing.
00:35:10.869 --> 00:35:11.110
Right?
00:35:11.110 --> 00:35:13.690
Like, and so if you can.
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:21.670
If you can figure out those things in the Perform, boy, you want to talk about gain and satisfaction with what you're doing.
00:35:21.909 --> 00:35:25.119
All of a sudden, you're not blaming yourself for these things.
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:30.474
You're understanding what it is that you need to do to get better, and those performance type goals like.
00:35:31.010 --> 00:35:31.579
Hey, Eric.
00:35:31.585 --> 00:35:34.070
I, I, I can't, I can't break 80.
00:35:34.219 --> 00:35:36.139
Hey, Eric, I can't break a hundred.
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.269
Um, I, I don't know what's wrong with me.
00:35:38.295 --> 00:35:40.250
I, I, I need a, I need this and I need that.
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.289
Well, no, I mean, let's talk about it.
00:35:42.289 --> 00:35:43.340
Let's look at your metrics.
00:35:43.340 --> 00:35:44.329
Like we can figure it out.
00:35:44.329 --> 00:35:45.920
It doesn't have to be emotional, right?
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:45.980
Yeah.
00:35:45.980 --> 00:35:56.090
Like this is where we can really get into the bottom of it and create solutions that are very much like you were saying, they're just.
00:35:56.980 --> 00:36:01.360
They're very objective and measurable and unemotional, and it's just a data point.
00:36:01.389 --> 00:36:02.710
Like, nope, it's just a data point.
00:36:02.710 --> 00:36:09.195
It's not your self worth, it's just a data point on a scale, and we can get you, you got it to where you want to go, and that's why I love.
00:36:10.074 --> 00:36:22.614
How we teach golf these days with TrackMan, because I'm telling you, I did this for 15 plus years without it, and man was that difficult to pull off in the past, but now we can do it.
00:36:22.945 --> 00:36:35.034
And um, and I think that that's probably one of the most satisfying things that I see with my job these days is seeing the, seeing the answer for people, seeing the solution like.
00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:38.530
Almost in a mathematical way and them going like, I got buy-in.
00:36:38.530 --> 00:36:39.460
I can work on that.
00:36:39.849 --> 00:36:41.409
And that's where you go into the process.
00:36:41.409 --> 00:36:44.500
But anyway, I, I kind of see that a lot.
00:36:44.769 --> 00:36:53.289
Rob, do you see that same sort of thing as far as like self-confidence and all these things as far as the outcome and really it should have been a performance based situation?
00:36:54.250 --> 00:36:54.699
Correct?
00:36:54.820 --> 00:36:56.679
Yeah, I, I would completely agree.
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:00.340
So let's get into some examples of kind of.
00:37:00.699 --> 00:37:06.909
Uh, relative to an outcome goal, what's a, what's a relevant performance goal?
00:37:07.090 --> 00:37:16.369
And then, uh, process just to kind of give the listener a little bit more color, a little bit more context behind, um, some of these terms that we're kind of throwing out what you said.
00:37:17.304 --> 00:37:17.844
Awesome.
00:37:17.844 --> 00:37:23.215
And maybe for a, for them too is like, when is it most important for me to have one of those in place?
00:37:23.215 --> 00:37:23.545
Right.
00:37:23.574 --> 00:37:27.954
So, um, so you want to give an example, first of a process?
00:37:27.954 --> 00:37:29.184
Do you wanna go start with process?
00:37:29.184 --> 00:37:35.635
Yeah, we can move kind of through the smart, uh, acronym, maybe even, uh, with some of these might be, might be fun.
00:37:35.755 --> 00:37:36.744
Okay, go ahead.
00:37:36.744 --> 00:37:37.644
You started off then.
00:37:37.675 --> 00:37:37.795
Okay.
00:37:37.824 --> 00:37:41.574
So outcome goal would be, I wanna win my club championship.
00:37:42.864 --> 00:37:43.224
Right.
00:37:43.614 --> 00:37:45.534
And then relative to that.
00:37:46.750 --> 00:37:58.510
I've looked at the, the previous winning scores, I can see that I'm gonna need to shoot something in the neighborhood of, let's say it's a three six hole event.
00:37:59.019 --> 00:38:05.139
Let's say I'm gonna need to shoot something in the neighborhood of five to six under par to give myself a chance.
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:05.710
Right?
00:38:05.710 --> 00:38:11.980
So the five to six under par, uh, on a particular golf course would be the performance or would be a.
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:14.349
Type of performance goal.
00:38:14.590 --> 00:38:15.940
'cause it's just a number, right?
00:38:16.449 --> 00:38:22.059
It's just, hey, this is generally speaking what we're gonna need to do now for that.
00:38:22.059 --> 00:38:27.369
Then you're gonna break down, okay, where are my, what's my offensive opportunities?
00:38:27.369 --> 00:38:28.840
What's my defensive opportunities?
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:33.519
Offense being like birdie opportunities, defense being, Hey, I'm just trying to get out with par.
00:38:33.969 --> 00:38:35.829
Um, par fives.
00:38:36.489 --> 00:38:39.159
Short par fours, maybe short par threes.
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:47.530
And then you've got your really long par fours, long par four, but long par threes, um, which would be some of your more, your defensive opportunities.
00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:47.829
Right.
00:38:47.829 --> 00:38:54.130
And then looking at, for you as an individual, what are your performance goals?
00:38:54.429 --> 00:38:59.920
So like for, um, let's say this individual really struggles with the short game.
00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:03.070
It's like, Hey, let's make sure that we get 100% of our shots.
00:39:03.730 --> 00:39:03.940
Um.
00:39:04.585 --> 00:39:07.014
On the green from inside of 40 yards, right?
00:39:07.014 --> 00:39:09.925
That could be, again, another type of performance goal.
00:39:10.164 --> 00:39:13.795
Now, as we peel back the onion even deeper, right?
00:39:13.795 --> 00:39:17.934
So we're going from almost no control, right?
00:39:17.994 --> 00:39:21.085
To pretty decent amount of control.
00:39:21.655 --> 00:39:24.295
But then now what are we fully gonna control, right?
00:39:24.295 --> 00:39:28.704
So from a process standpoint, let's say again, I'm looking at short game.
00:39:29.425 --> 00:39:42.355
I'm trying to take advantage of my offensive opportunities on par fives when I'm pushing the green, trying to get inside 40 yards in, um, in two, you know, if I miss the green on par threes or par fours, my ability to save par.
00:39:42.954 --> 00:39:48.804
So for that, I'm gonna make sure that I'm going to read the lie as best as I possibly can.
00:39:50.215 --> 00:39:54.775
I'm going to pick out a land area, right?
00:39:54.775 --> 00:39:54.985
And.
00:39:55.315 --> 00:39:58.164
Based off how far it's gonna roll, right?
00:39:58.164 --> 00:40:01.284
I'm gonna choose a club and a shot.
00:40:01.405 --> 00:40:04.494
I'm gonna rehearse, I'm gonna see it as best I can.
00:40:04.494 --> 00:40:06.715
I'm gonna commit to creating that shot.
00:40:06.985 --> 00:40:07.195
Right?
00:40:07.195 --> 00:40:10.494
So that's just an example of like a mental process that you could go through.
00:40:11.695 --> 00:40:13.164
Just an example for the podcast.
00:40:13.164 --> 00:40:16.824
But you can do that every single time.
00:40:16.824 --> 00:40:21.954
You can read the lie, you can pick a landing area, you can pick a shot, you can.
00:40:22.045 --> 00:40:22.074
Okay.
00:40:22.974 --> 00:40:26.304
Visualize the shot, feel the shot, and try to execute the shot as best you can.
00:40:26.844 --> 00:40:32.695
And whatever happens, at least you'll know that you met your process goal.
00:40:33.054 --> 00:40:42.420
Now, if you go through your process goal and you commit to that process goal, what we're saying is that your performance goal is probably gonna be more likely achieved.
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.420
Yeah, if you didn't achieve your process, sorry.
00:40:46.449 --> 00:40:52.480
If you didn't achieve, achieve your performance goal, then the question is, all right, was it the right performance goal?
00:40:52.510 --> 00:40:55.840
Number one, let's assume it is Number two.
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:57.309
Was it just variance?
00:40:57.489 --> 00:41:00.159
Was it, oh, well my process were good.
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.949
Everything was in place, just didn't work out for me this time, right?
00:41:02.949 --> 00:41:04.809
Everything, everything happens in variance.
00:41:04.809 --> 00:41:07.360
You're gonna have, it's like a bell curve, right?
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.820
You're gonna hit, half of your shots are gonna be better than average.
00:41:09.820 --> 00:41:11.260
Half of your shots are gonna be worse than average.
00:41:11.260 --> 00:41:12.849
You're gonna hit a ton of shots that are average.
00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:15.519
Some are gonna be amazing, some are gonna be terrible, right?
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.380
So everything's happening on the spell curve.
00:41:17.949 --> 00:41:19.269
So it could just be variance.
00:41:19.659 --> 00:41:27.010
What it also could be is that your processes weren't aligned with what you needed to do, right?
00:41:27.010 --> 00:41:37.059
And so that's when you can take a step back and say, all right, what do I need to build into my processes to better allow me to produce my performance goal?
00:41:37.449 --> 00:41:40.090
And so now we're looking at things very much from a.
00:41:41.244 --> 00:41:42.954
You know, like you'd run a business, right?
00:41:42.954 --> 00:41:48.655
It's not, it's not just, oh, I feel like I need to do this, so I'm just gonna go and see how this works.
00:41:48.684 --> 00:41:55.465
No, you're actually looking at what is actually moving performance in the direction of your outcome goal.
00:41:55.525 --> 00:41:59.394
If you have an outcome goal, like we said, we don't, you don't have to have one, right?
00:41:59.394 --> 00:42:00.715
And you're giving yourself feedback.
00:42:00.715 --> 00:42:05.784
You're giving yourself actionable feedback around what you need to do to kind of push yourself in the right direction.
00:42:05.784 --> 00:42:08.905
So that would be an example of kind of how you can move from.
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:12.639
Outcome Win Club championship process.
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:14.679
All right, we need to get this score.
00:42:14.739 --> 00:42:15.969
How are we gonna build this score?
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.519
Well, it's just a accumulation of offensive defense.
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:27.309
All right, so for this particular golfer, let's say that they hit it tee to green really well, but once they get inside 40 yards, they kinda struggle.
00:42:27.369 --> 00:42:28.114
Well, now they're gonna have.
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.000
Um, kind of a spotlight.
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:32.469
Performance outcomes.
00:42:32.469 --> 00:42:34.360
Like, Hey, let's make sure we never miss a green.
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.050
And you can even put like proximities, P twelves, P sixes, right?
00:42:38.050 --> 00:42:39.909
If you're game forge, you know what I'm talking about.
00:42:40.449 --> 00:42:41.650
And then process goals.
00:42:41.650 --> 00:42:42.820
How am I hitting these shots?
00:42:42.820 --> 00:42:46.269
What are the behaviors that are going to align with my process goals?
00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:46.929
Sorry.
00:42:47.469 --> 00:42:52.329
What are my process behaviors that are going to align with my performance goals?
00:42:53.230 --> 00:42:55.570
And would you put practice?
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:56.380
Um.
00:42:56.755 --> 00:42:57.894
In the process.
00:42:57.925 --> 00:42:58.255
Yes.
00:42:58.284 --> 00:43:00.059
Part of the, yeah, absolutely.
00:43:00.059 --> 00:43:00.925
Of that whole equation.
00:43:00.925 --> 00:43:01.405
A hundred percent.
00:43:01.764 --> 00:43:02.065
Okay.
00:43:02.065 --> 00:43:02.755
That's what I mean.
00:43:02.875 --> 00:43:06.565
To me, that's like the biggest, the biggest driver of that.
00:43:06.565 --> 00:43:11.304
And I think that as you go again, so we're talking about kind the overarching theme.
00:43:11.784 --> 00:43:15.204
You know, if you looked at Bryson Dbo may have had.
00:43:15.925 --> 00:43:20.485
Maybe he had a goal to win the PGA this week coming in, which would be very reasonable for him.
00:43:20.485 --> 00:43:27.054
He is, you know, a great player, one of the best players in the world, and so there's his outcome goal to win.
00:43:27.775 --> 00:43:31.855
So then his performance, he might have set a metric, I'm gonna shoot 20 under par this week.
00:43:31.855 --> 00:43:35.005
If I shoot 20 under par, I gotta Chino, I'm gonna do this thing.
00:43:35.005 --> 00:43:35.125
Yeah.
00:43:35.394 --> 00:43:38.304
Um, and he does it through all the things that you just said.
00:43:38.304 --> 00:43:41.485
You know, he, he works on his driving and I need to hit this.
00:43:41.485 --> 00:43:43.494
And these guys are going through things like.
00:43:43.914 --> 00:43:49.945
You know, this week I'm gonna need, you know, this type of shot for the par fives, or maybe this is a good shot I need on some of the par three.
00:43:49.945 --> 00:43:55.045
So they're, they're building towards their, they're periodizing, their training and their skillset.
00:43:55.255 --> 00:43:58.735
This is a level three thing, by the way, really level four, we'll call it tour player level four.
00:43:59.065 --> 00:44:05.730
Um, this is a level, level four thing where they're building up to this with specific skills inside their skillset.
00:44:06.414 --> 00:44:15.445
To optimize for the certain course, the certain week, the certain conditions, and then the process obviously is trusting that and building the caddy and the whole deal.
00:44:15.445 --> 00:44:15.715
Correct.
00:44:15.985 --> 00:44:20.394
And that's a beautiful, um, that's a beautiful description of all that.
00:44:20.905 --> 00:44:23.275
So let's, let's think about that whole thing again.
00:44:23.605 --> 00:44:30.025
Um, from a level one player, like maybe my outcome goal here is break a hundred.
00:44:31.885 --> 00:44:33.355
So I gotta, I'm gonna try to break a hundred.
00:44:33.355 --> 00:44:34.804
I guess that, is that an, is that as.
00:44:35.304 --> 00:44:37.494
Too much of a, um, performance goal.
00:44:37.585 --> 00:44:38.094
Guess that More perform?
00:44:38.094 --> 00:44:38.105
Yeah.
00:44:38.105 --> 00:44:39.139
That's more of a performance, performance goal, isn't it?
00:44:39.139 --> 00:44:39.389
Perform, yeah.
00:44:39.389 --> 00:44:39.744
Outcome.
00:44:40.255 --> 00:44:43.585
Outcome would be like, I'm going to beat, I'm gonna beat my buddy.
00:44:43.855 --> 00:44:44.425
Okay.
00:44:44.635 --> 00:44:44.934
Okay.
00:44:44.934 --> 00:44:46.614
So I see this all the time, right?
00:44:46.614 --> 00:44:48.054
I, I need to beat this friend of mine.
00:44:48.445 --> 00:44:53.125
He's obnoxious and he talks, he talks smack to me all the time, and I need to beat him, right?
00:44:53.125 --> 00:44:56.514
But I'm, but I can't do it until I can break a hundred, essentially.
00:44:56.514 --> 00:44:58.764
So here I am, level one golfer.
00:44:58.914 --> 00:45:00.445
Maybe I got a buddy that's a level two golfer.
00:45:00.445 --> 00:45:04.164
So now I've got this, this performance goal of shooting.
00:45:04.750 --> 00:45:05.320
A number.
00:45:05.349 --> 00:45:07.960
I gotta, I gotta break a hundred to beat this person.
00:45:08.530 --> 00:45:20.530
Um, so when they're looking inside of that skill set to break a hundred, they come to see you or me or some other teacher, like they're gonna need a definable thing to work on.
00:45:20.590 --> 00:45:24.670
And that's where we get into, that's where ball flight stuff comes in.
00:45:24.670 --> 00:45:27.070
Like, we're gonna be creating skills for them.
00:45:27.474 --> 00:45:32.155
That help them align with what someone that breaks a hundred does, right?
00:45:32.155 --> 00:45:34.644
They've gotta hit a certain number of greener regulation.
00:45:34.704 --> 00:45:36.114
It's not many, I don't think, right?
00:45:36.114 --> 00:45:37.284
Four, four or five.
00:45:37.284 --> 00:45:38.425
I don't have the data in front of me.
00:45:38.784 --> 00:45:41.244
I've gotta have this amount of putts, probably.
00:45:41.724 --> 00:45:47.920
Um, I gotta have not too many disruptors and penalty shots, and these are the things that are gonna help me.
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:49.449
Uh, do that.
00:45:49.449 --> 00:45:55.239
And then the process is probably the hardest for the, for the level one player or the level one player, don't you think?
00:45:55.239 --> 00:46:02.860
I mean, I would say a level three player to tour player is so in tune to a process and they probably had to have that to get there.
00:46:03.429 --> 00:46:10.150
But the level one player, Rob, isn't this the place where the process really probably lets them down to speak.
00:46:10.150 --> 00:46:14.929
So yeah, it's the, it's the biggest opportunity for development for them because they don't have one.
00:46:15.909 --> 00:46:18.130
They literally, they, they don't know what they don't know.
00:46:18.789 --> 00:46:29.110
So at some point you've gotta give, you've either gotta give them a framework or you just give them the information and then allow them to come up with a framework.
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:43.690
Um, but whatever they need to do, they need to understand again, their, their relevant process goals, which for level one golfers are usually low point in three dimensions, right?
00:46:43.809 --> 00:46:44.079
Is it.
00:46:44.409 --> 00:46:52.329
Up, down, forward, back, right or left, and they're keeping track of right where is my low point over time, right?
00:46:52.329 --> 00:46:53.920
They're not saying, okay, shot to shot.
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:58.570
They're saying, okay, after the round of golf, where was my tendency in my low point?
00:46:58.570 --> 00:47:03.159
Because you do have control over where the low point having you might not feel like you have.
00:47:03.550 --> 00:47:09.429
You might feel like it's more variable than what you want, but the way that you swing the club.
00:47:09.954 --> 00:47:18.864
Is creating a low point and you can get more or less aware of that low point and the process of becoming aware of that low point is an amazing process goal.
00:47:19.644 --> 00:47:29.605
And so if you can have the process goal becoming more aware of where the bottom of your swing is, more aware of where the face of the club at impact is pointing, more aware of the speed of the club and impact those.
00:47:30.190 --> 00:47:32.110
Again, those are the golf intervention big three.
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:32.949
Alright.
00:47:32.949 --> 00:47:34.389
Low point club phase speed.
00:47:34.900 --> 00:47:42.610
As you develop awareness of those things, then those are for almost every level one golfer that's gonna be very well aligned to their performance goal of reducing shots to green.
00:47:42.969 --> 00:47:47.889
I don't think there's any question when I've have level one players, either in clinics or in lessons.
00:47:48.820 --> 00:47:54.369
I feel like, and the, and you mentioned this a little bit before, is that we can all learn how to learn better.
00:47:54.460 --> 00:47:54.849
Right.
00:47:54.909 --> 00:48:03.070
And I feel like my job with a lot of that level one, level two player is really helping them learn how to learn better.
00:48:03.130 --> 00:48:03.369
Right?
00:48:03.369 --> 00:48:12.159
Like, it just, it's, it's about creating a process for learning, creating an environment to succeed in, um, getting a mindset that helps you achieve it.
00:48:12.414 --> 00:48:14.545
And then just, you know, building that up.
00:48:14.545 --> 00:48:16.974
And granted, I'm looking at the performance factors.
00:48:16.974 --> 00:48:18.744
There's no question about it.
00:48:18.744 --> 00:48:20.454
I'm looking at it every single time.
00:48:20.905 --> 00:48:27.505
But if we know that you've got this big data point, you know, club face to path is open seven degrees.
00:48:28.224 --> 00:48:30.925
Okay, we're gonna have a hard time here, right?
00:48:31.105 --> 00:48:31.704
So.
00:48:32.605 --> 00:48:42.594
We're gonna develop a process to try to, we're gonna know how to fix that from a swing technique standpoint, but I gotta, I gotta develop a process to practice it and implement it on the golf course.
00:48:42.684 --> 00:48:44.664
And so what becomes the most important thing?
00:48:44.664 --> 00:48:51.324
Well, it's really like the performance element in the lesson is really now just knowing what you didn't know, but that doesn't.
00:48:51.344 --> 00:48:52.094
Fix anything.
00:48:52.125 --> 00:48:52.364
Correct.
00:48:52.394 --> 00:48:52.695
Right.
00:48:52.695 --> 00:48:56.474
Like that's the least, that is not the roast relative relevant thing.
00:48:56.744 --> 00:49:09.494
And that's where we go back to process being relevant is I've gotta send you the student out and say, here's the process for you to practice this thing and implement it on the golf course.
00:49:09.585 --> 00:49:18.030
And if you can't, if we can't communicate that to our students, we failed them because man, nothing, nothing bums me out more when it's like than I hear.
00:49:18.625 --> 00:49:20.934
Man, Eric, I can do it when you're here coaching me up.
00:49:20.934 --> 00:49:22.644
And then when I'm left on my own, I can't do it.
00:49:23.184 --> 00:49:26.934
And, and I'm like, you know, I want you to be able to do it.
00:49:26.934 --> 00:49:29.514
I need you to be able to, and it's really hard'cause golf is hard.
00:49:29.514 --> 00:49:29.994
I get it.
00:49:29.994 --> 00:49:37.494
Like we all, we all experience that, but my goal for you is to be able to do this when I'm not standing there.
00:49:37.494 --> 00:49:40.855
So the process is the key to that.
00:49:40.855 --> 00:49:46.525
We go back to this, the process is the most relevant piece of this, especially in that level one player.
00:49:46.525 --> 00:49:47.784
I don't think there's any.
00:49:48.324 --> 00:49:49.344
Question about it.
00:49:49.344 --> 00:49:53.335
So, um, those are, those are good example.
00:49:53.335 --> 00:49:56.545
I think that hopefully gives a listener a little bit of a, a visual on that.
00:49:56.545 --> 00:49:58.914
Do you want to go through another example of that, Rob?
00:50:00.025 --> 00:50:01.885
Yeah, I can, I can think of a couple.
00:50:01.945 --> 00:50:09.264
Um, so let's say outcome, goal is to win the masters, right?
00:50:09.264 --> 00:50:14.965
You could go out and you could, you could shoot the Augusta National course record.
00:50:16.224 --> 00:50:18.775
And someone else could come right behind.
00:50:18.775 --> 00:50:26.454
You have the have the t have the tee time right behind you and then break your course record to win the, to win the masters.
00:50:26.454 --> 00:50:34.585
So again, you have an influence, but it's not direct control over that is more your compass.
00:50:34.585 --> 00:50:38.094
That is your guiding light to, okay, what are the performance goals that I need?
00:50:39.295 --> 00:50:44.590
So then you're going to back that into, okay, performance goal would be I need to hit.
00:50:45.954 --> 00:50:49.644
Half of my par fives, I need to birdie half of my par fives, right?
00:50:49.644 --> 00:50:55.885
Let's say that would be your performance goal is that you're trying to figure out how to birdie half of your par fives.
00:50:56.125 --> 00:50:59.875
Then you're gonna work that in, okay, what are my go for green opportunities?
00:51:00.295 --> 00:51:10.284
And then you might have even like a A underneath the surface, like, okay, my performance goal for this is to hit 75% of those fairways.
00:51:11.125 --> 00:51:11.364
Right?
00:51:11.364 --> 00:51:13.264
So that might even be kind of a, a.
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.300
Peeled onion of that performance goal.
00:51:16.750 --> 00:51:27.670
Now, from a process goal, right, let's make sure that in practice we are hitting the shots that we're gonna hit, the way we're gonna hit'em some amount, right?
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:36.400
We would prefer that it's a representative sample, which means if you're gonna hit 10 drivers, let's hit 10 drivers.
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:45.880
The way we're gonna hit those 10 drivers, and you can visualize the fairway, you can visualize kind of what the, where the ball's gonna end up and then play the hole in from there, right?
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:50.800
But then let's spend some amount of process time developing skill.
00:51:51.099 --> 00:52:00.400
So for this golfer, I can guarantee that face to path awareness is gonna be number, you know, very high on their list.
00:52:00.969 --> 00:52:06.460
Um, let's figure out where my bandwidth is, what my reference points are for my face to path.
00:52:06.730 --> 00:52:09.550
So I have awareness of where I need to operate within.
00:52:09.550 --> 00:52:14.110
This is gonna be a really, really tight face to path awareness with this type of player, right?
00:52:14.110 --> 00:52:15.880
So that'd be more of like a skill aspect.
00:52:16.510 --> 00:52:26.829
And then from a swing aspect, what are the general movements that I need to encourage that would allow me to then control the face to path more predictably, right?
00:52:26.829 --> 00:52:31.179
And so I'm gonna have between this player and their coach, they're gonna have some.
00:52:31.764 --> 00:52:35.005
Drill or some movement, some exercise that's gonna encourage that.
00:52:35.275 --> 00:52:37.494
Maybe they turn that into a pre-shot routine.
00:52:37.764 --> 00:52:38.304
Okay.
00:52:38.304 --> 00:52:48.775
For this swing change that I'm trying to encourage, here's a pre-shot routine that's gonna prime this movement, that's gonna make it more likely that that movement shows up when I play.
00:52:49.284 --> 00:52:54.835
So now we're building processes that are relevant to actually playing the game.
00:52:55.375 --> 00:52:59.364
Because ev, before you hit a shot, you're gonna have to do something before you hit the shot.
00:52:59.755 --> 00:53:21.864
So can we use that time prior to swinging the golf club to help encourage the swing that is going to make the skill more accessible and that skill be relevant for the performance goal of hitting 75% of the fairways, of the par fives that you're gonna hit into, and you're gonna try to bird half of those.
00:53:22.704 --> 00:53:23.574
To win the masters.
00:53:23.605 --> 00:53:23.815
Right.
00:53:23.815 --> 00:53:25.735
So you can see how this all kind of flows together.
00:53:26.304 --> 00:53:26.934
I think it's great.
00:53:26.934 --> 00:53:33.804
I think the listener here should maybe work through it a little bit themselves, like visualize what they want to do.
00:53:34.164 --> 00:53:35.425
It's really interesting.
00:53:35.425 --> 00:53:39.114
I wish, I wish people could have had some insight into the conversation we had.
00:53:39.114 --> 00:53:42.175
'cause it, it was re it was pretty interesting.
00:53:42.625 --> 00:53:43.255
Um.
00:53:43.644 --> 00:53:57.295
How we, how we ended up on this sort of outline for the, for the show, because you and I probably, we kind of looked at each other and we're like, you know, we're, we're both very satisfied golfers with how we play in general.
00:53:57.474 --> 00:53:58.675
Um, play really well.
00:53:58.675 --> 00:54:00.925
Number one, you know, we're level three players.
00:54:01.434 --> 00:54:04.105
Number two, we're both very satisfied with how we play.
00:54:04.105 --> 00:54:10.255
Like, I don't, I mean, I have days where I don't like, ah, you know, I didn't play that great, but it, I never get really frustrated with it.
00:54:10.675 --> 00:54:10.795
Yeah.
00:54:10.855 --> 00:54:11.394
Um.
00:54:12.235 --> 00:54:16.135
And I have never, I don't think in my life had an outcome goal.
00:54:16.644 --> 00:54:24.264
I don't think ever, um, performance goals may, maybe at times, you know, some stuff that, some data points.
00:54:24.264 --> 00:54:29.454
Like I went through a little bit of a time where I'm like, oh, I need to get my club, I need to get my club speed up.
00:54:29.454 --> 00:54:31.074
Or, um.
00:54:32.230 --> 00:54:34.000
You know, some proximity stuff.
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:41.619
Maybe in the short game I was really working on hard in with wedge play, but for the most part I was always focused on just the process.
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:43.480
You know, just always focused on the process.
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:52.750
And I've always been fairly content with how I've played, you know, as I've moved along through, but everybody's different, you know, everybody's very different.
00:54:52.750 --> 00:55:00.489
And so I think that you can't, you can't box yourself into the smart goal framework in golf'cause it just doesn't really work for those.
00:55:00.925 --> 00:55:02.125
For those reasons.
00:55:02.784 --> 00:55:14.454
So I think what we're gonna do, Rob, is we're gonna, you and I are gonna work on a, a worksheet for the listener that we're gonna put on our substack.
00:55:14.454 --> 00:55:14.545
Yes.
00:55:14.574 --> 00:55:22.824
We're gonna put, we're gonna put that out on the substack and it's gonna help them work through some of these, some of these goals and kind of outlined a little bit better for them.
00:55:22.824 --> 00:55:23.275
So.
00:55:24.085 --> 00:55:33.804
Um, if you hadn't heard from us yet, we do have something called a substack, which is really just where we, where we put our content on the, on the, I guess on the internet.
00:55:34.105 --> 00:55:38.335
It's the golf intervention.substack.com is where you can find us.
00:55:38.394 --> 00:55:44.244
We have both free and paid subscriptions on there, so some of the stuff we're gonna do will be behind a paywall.
00:55:44.635 --> 00:55:46.945
Um, we'll, we definitely will have a bonus.
00:55:47.425 --> 00:55:51.954
Um, episode every month we've promised out there, plus some other really good stuff.
00:55:51.954 --> 00:55:58.375
And Robbie, you've written some incredible stuff for that already, which is all very golf intervention focused, right?
00:55:58.375 --> 00:56:01.164
It's like very much what we talk about on this show.
00:56:01.164 --> 00:56:06.204
So if you want to support the show, we would love you to have you subscribe to the Substack either.
00:56:06.550 --> 00:56:07.059
Either way.
00:56:07.059 --> 00:56:08.619
If you want the free, that's totally fine.
00:56:08.650 --> 00:56:12.250
'cause you're gonna see, we're gonna put stuff out there that's not behind the paywall too.
00:56:12.579 --> 00:56:16.659
And every time something comes up that we do put behind the paywall, you're gonna get a little notification about it.
00:56:16.659 --> 00:56:21.010
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00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:26.739
But those of you that have subscribed and are supporting the show, we can't thank you anymore.
00:56:26.739 --> 00:56:28.539
It's really cool to have that happening for us.
00:56:28.539 --> 00:56:28.599
Yeah.
00:56:29.380 --> 00:56:32.739
Um, I know, I think it's been really fun so far to figure that thing out.
00:56:32.739 --> 00:56:35.679
I think you and I are still figuring out the best ways to use that.
00:56:36.309 --> 00:56:37.599
Um, but it's fun.
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.610
It's fun, it's a fun thing for us.
00:56:39.699 --> 00:56:50.889
Um, so we're gonna put some stuff out there on the substack when it come, where it comes to this process, or excuse me, this goal conversation that we're having.
00:56:50.889 --> 00:56:55.239
'cause what we wanna do is drive you towards golf satisfaction.
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:55.989
Isn't that what we said?
00:56:55.989 --> 00:56:57.340
Like, we want to be satisfied.
00:56:57.925 --> 00:56:58.735
With how we play.
00:56:58.735 --> 00:57:00.684
We want to enjoy the game to the utmost.
00:57:00.954 --> 00:57:04.824
And I think some of this is really a, a very, very big part of that, without doubt.
00:57:04.914 --> 00:57:11.844
Um, so as far as goals go, Rob, um, anything else you'd like to add to that conversation?
00:57:12.534 --> 00:57:13.494
I think we covered it.
00:57:13.855 --> 00:57:16.614
I think that's, uh, I think that's a good summary for sure.
00:57:17.485 --> 00:57:18.295
So once again.
00:57:19.389 --> 00:57:21.550
Goals in golf are a very interesting thing.
00:57:21.579 --> 00:57:27.909
Think about to yourself what it is that you've been focusing on to, to determine whether or not you're satisfied with how you played.
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:29.739
Is it an outcome?
00:57:29.769 --> 00:57:31.030
I want to beat this person.
00:57:31.030 --> 00:57:32.170
I wanna win that thing.
00:57:32.170 --> 00:57:41.110
I want to, whatever performance is more about your score and your skills and some metrics that are measurable that you're putting out there.
00:57:41.110 --> 00:57:43.599
It's very, like I said, it's almost mathematical.
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:45.460
It's not, it's not emotional.
00:57:46.090 --> 00:57:48.730
Um, or have you been more process oriented?
00:57:49.300 --> 00:57:52.300
Um, all of which have their, their place.
00:57:52.570 --> 00:57:55.360
And so just figure out what you want to do.
00:57:55.900 --> 00:57:57.849
You don't have to write it down again.
00:57:58.150 --> 00:58:00.760
Robbie says, I've never written a goal down.
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.489
You know, should I have not shared that with a listener?
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:05.530
That's'cause we just keep it in the back of our mind.
00:58:05.530 --> 00:58:05.619
Right?
00:58:05.619 --> 00:58:07.210
Never in an outcome goal down.
00:58:07.210 --> 00:58:07.539
Yeah.
00:58:07.545 --> 00:58:07.934
Yeah, yeah.
00:58:07.989 --> 00:58:09.309
Um, I think it's, yeah.
00:58:09.894 --> 00:58:11.304
Yeah, that's right.
00:58:11.304 --> 00:58:12.144
An outcome goal.
00:58:12.414 --> 00:58:13.704
I think it's so interesting.
00:58:13.704 --> 00:58:19.675
You know what you'll, what you'll learn from Robbie and I, and I think it's funny that we're just on the same page on a lot of this stuff.
00:58:20.094 --> 00:58:31.315
Um, you can listen to some stuff on whatever you want to, you know, what podcasts or who knows Instagram stuff or YouTube.
00:58:31.315 --> 00:58:35.755
It's like, you know, all this motivational stuff that's like, you know.
00:58:36.429 --> 00:58:42.519
You gotta put your goals on your lock screen on your phone, or you gotta write'em on your mirror and you gotta, you know, positive.
00:58:42.849 --> 00:58:46.300
I mean, yeah, all that stuff's relevant to some people too.
00:58:46.329 --> 00:58:49.389
You know, like, again, I've never really had to do any of that stuff.
00:58:49.389 --> 00:58:53.710
And, um, and some of you would go like, yeah, that, that wouldn't work for me.
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.079
And other people would go, no, I have to do all that.
00:58:56.230 --> 00:58:57.670
Otherwise I would never achieve a goal.
00:58:57.670 --> 00:58:58.989
And that's all of it's fine.
00:58:58.989 --> 00:59:01.420
And every part along the spectrum is good.
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:04.300
So don't let anybody tell you what's right and wrong there.
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:06.824
You know, thyself thy best.
00:59:07.344 --> 00:59:09.474
And that you're gonna be your own best guide.
00:59:09.474 --> 00:59:10.824
We've always said that here.
00:59:11.335 --> 00:59:13.195
We're not telling you what you did, what to do.
00:59:13.224 --> 00:59:16.195
We're helping you help yourself along the path.
00:59:16.255 --> 00:59:17.454
That's our ultimate goal.
00:59:17.454 --> 00:59:18.625
At least that's what we're trying to do.
00:59:19.315 --> 00:59:21.474
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00:59:21.474 --> 00:59:23.815
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00:59:23.815 --> 00:59:25.195
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00:59:25.244 --> 00:59:30.675
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00:59:30.945 --> 00:59:33.704
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00:59:33.974 --> 00:59:45.824
Um, and the really the biggest thing you can do to support this show if you want to keep, keep Rob and I motivated and excited is really just share it with people.
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I mean, that would be the most powerful thing you could do for us.
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It's just share.
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Yeah, tell your friends, put it on your Facebook or your Insta whatever, and your stories and whatever stuff you've got out there.
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Um.
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That's the most powerful way for people to find us.
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'cause you know, we're not marketers.
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We're just a couple of guys trying to help people play better golf.
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Anything you'd like to add here at the end?
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Rob, that's it.
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Alright people, we'll be back next time and we're gonna talk a little bit more about skills on the next episode.
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So don't worry.
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We're gonna bring the heat with some skills.
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Tune in next time.
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Thank you.
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See you soon.
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And welcome in to the Golf Intervention Podcast.
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Whether you're a weekend warrior looking to shave a few strokes off your handicap, or a competitive player striving for excellence, join us as we explore the science strategies and secrets behind mastering the game of golf.
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It is time for your golf intervention.
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How you doing today?
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Rob fails.
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I know I'm doing pretty well here in Richmond, Virginia.
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I'm doing great.
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Doing great.
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Eric, thanks for, uh, thanks for joining me tonight.
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Should be, uh, should be a lot of fun.
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I wanna start off, um, by saying thanks to Mark Sweeney again.
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We had such a good interview with him.
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Aim Point.
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If you haven't listened to that episode, please go back and check it out.
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We could not be more appreciative.
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And it was so cool checking in on the PGA and watching all those guys in the final groups using AIM Point, just like we said they did, and you could see it right on the screen.
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So.
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Really cool to see that those guys are really great putters, as we all know.
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And, uh, of course they're mostly using name points, so kind of proved what we were talking about there.
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So that was kind of fun.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's, uh, like Mark said, it's almost surprising now when they're not using it, which is, uh, which is testament to how accurate it is.
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So on today's episode, we're gonna talk about goals and really we're gonna talk about.
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Achieving satisfaction with your golf game and how do goals really play some type of role in that?
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Um, I'm kind of excited for this episode in a way'cause it's going back.
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We're kind of going back in time, back to our first few episodes when we really started to introduce how the golf intervention was gonna look at.
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Scoring strategies and who you are as a player and kind of break down the science of this thing and get you on a game plan for improvement.
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Um, and so we're going back a little bit to that and we're gonna expand out on that a little bit here.
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We're gonna start with goals and it was really interesting.
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Yeah, because Robbie and I had a little pre-production meeting and I said, maybe we could, maybe we can expand on skill or on on goal setting.
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And uh, and we had a long conversation and um, and we kinda went through, we kinda went through goals and, and it was, and I was gonna entitle this episode.
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Why Rob fails?
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Hates goals.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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Just being, just being funny.
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Um.
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'cause he definitely doesn't, but I think it was a really good discussion about sort of parsing out.
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How, how relevant, really goal setting is to a, to a golfer and how important it is for them, if it is, it even is important depending on who you are as a player.
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So when we, when we look at goals, you know, I was a business major in college and they're gonna teach you, um, goals.
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There's this acronym smart.
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Remember, remember that, Rob?
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Did you learn the smart goal acronym whenever you were in college?
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And the Smart Goal acronym, um, really it sort of stood for, um, specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time based.
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That was what SMART meant, and as you and I were discussing it, um.
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You brought up some really good points about smart goals, which was, is it really, is that really how golf works?
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I mean, is it really, and and the biggest sticking point I think that you and I found was the time, the time-based element to it.
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Although we found other sticking points too.
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But you as a golfer, as you're setting goals, um, I think that.
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Whether you realize it or not in your game, if you're satisfied or dissatisfied with how you're playing, um, which you're probably gonna fall into one of those camps, right?
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Um, you probably have some type of goal.
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We're actually gonna detail three different sort of, uh, subsets of goals that you would definitely fall into.
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You go, oh, yeah, yeah, that's me.
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I have that goal, or I have two of those, or three of those goals and.
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And, and it's really probably a little bit better description of it than the smart goal, don't you think, Robin, we're gonna go into these here in a second.
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Yeah, no doubt.
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Let's go back, let's talk about, let's talk about the smart goal for just a second.
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Um, and, and I think it's, I think that the smart goal is really probably very helpful when you're talking about.
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Business strategies or sales stuff or, or that kind of thing, like in the quote unquote in the real world.
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But when you're talking about athletic performance, how do you feel like the smart goal really attaches to that or is really relevant for that, uh, certain type of performance?
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Yeah, I think piggybacking on our conversation we had actually just before going on air, I think it really depends on.
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The type of goal.
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I think when it comes to being in the real world, a lot of times we can easily meet our goals just through effort, right?
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Just through cognitive understanding.
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I don't have this piece of information.
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I'm gonna go find it.
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Now I have it.
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And a lot of people want to believe that acquiring golf skill is like that.
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They don't know how to do it.
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X Pro tells them here's what to do, and now they have it.
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And for many people, they haven't actually learned a motor skill since they learned to probably drive a car.
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And if you think about a lot of the clients that we're working with, 60 years old, 65 years old, who still have goals, they still wanna play at a high level.
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You ask them, when's the last time you actually learned?
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A motor skill.
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Um, and you get some amazing answers.
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I mean, I've had 65 year olds say, oh, I just learned how to play piano.
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I'm like, oh my gosh, that's incredible.
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And sure enough, they're typically right, uh, quite a bit better, uh, when it comes to understanding the learning process.
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But even for a lot of people when they, you really ask'em to think about it, and you peel back the onion layer after layer after layer, they haven't learned.
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To do anything since they learned to drive a car motor skill wise, which is insane to think about, like learning in of itself is a skill.
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You can get better at learning, you can get worse at learning.
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Um, and I think a lot of people fall out of touch with learning.
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And so I think this is gonna be a really good episode'cause we're gonna talk about what is it to learn and what is it to really.
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Have a game plan for how you're going to acquire a new motor skill.
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I can't wait to get into this.
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I, I think that you and I being around, um, busy active golf places, we see people every day.
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Some I'm very satisfied with how they're playing.
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Others very dissatisfied with how they're playing.
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And I think my goal as an instructor a lot of the times is to say, Hey, let's, let's figure out what's going on there and,'cause I want you to be satisfied with golf, like.
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For many of the people, although that not all, and by the way, I was just, just kind of involved in helping with someone's playing in a very large professional tournament this week.
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So nice.
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Um, some not all play for play for fun or play for enjoyment or recreation.
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And when, when whatever their expectation or quote unquote goal gets misaligned from their.
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S current skill set or their current abilities or their current idea about how they should be playing.
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Um, that's when the frustration, uh, sets in.
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And for me, like right now being that I've played very little golf this year, like it.
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If you said, Hey, Eric, let's play the two man next week, or whatever.
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I, I would've very realistic expectations about how I'm gonna perform in that.
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So I probably wouldn't be too frustrated because I know I just haven't played very much.
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Right.
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But I think golfers in general, um, people in general, like just not even in golf, but in life, we all struggle with that sort of realization, that actualization between, you know.
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What is my performance?
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What should I, should I be doing?
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What's gonna make me happy?
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What doesn't?
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How do I get there?
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Right?
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And like you said, if I just work harder in a lot of things or I just put the effort in, I'm gonna get there.
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But golf just really doesn't always work that way.
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And that's why the smart goal doesn't always land to the absolute best.
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Not always.
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Yeah.
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Um.
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Yeah, it doesn't always lend to that.
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So what we, what we're gonna talk about here, I'm gonna introduce three separate types of goals.
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Okay?
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A little bit different way of looking at it.
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Um, the very first type of goal we're gonna talk about, I'm just gonna name them and we'll talk about a little bit.
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One is an outcome goal, second is a performance goal, and the third would be a process goal.
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So outcome goal is really gonna be like, Hey, I wanna do this thing.
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Like I wanna, I wanna win a golf tournament.
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I want to be valedictorian.
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I want to, um, become, you know, CEO of IBMI wanna be president of the United States.
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Like these are outcome goals, right?
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That I'm sort of, sort of have a vision for how I wanna unfold my life or my career.
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A, a performance goal is gonna be more about your skillset.
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Like, this is gonna be about me, um, determining the skills that I have and then working on them to be a little bit better, or, you know, or improve them or keep them sharp or whatever, and they're measurable.
00:17:20.910 --> 00:17:23.730
Um, so like in golf, the equivalent might be in performance.
00:17:23.910 --> 00:17:25.890
I, I want to hit more greens and regulation.
00:17:26.099 --> 00:17:29.339
I wanna make more putts from, you know, four to six feet.
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I wanna.
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You know, drive the ball further.
00:17:32.009 --> 00:17:34.289
Like those are, those are performance based goals.
00:17:34.380 --> 00:17:38.700
And then per the process based goal is really about, um.
00:17:39.855 --> 00:17:42.644
The, the really the process of improvement, right?
00:17:42.644 --> 00:17:49.605
Like, so how I'm gonna work through, uh, what it is and I'm trying to do, how I'm gonna train it, how I'm gonna set up that process.
00:17:49.605 --> 00:17:56.474
So, um, as we look at this from these separate outcomes, we can start to see now Rob fails.
00:17:56.505 --> 00:17:59.954
There's some problems there with the smart goals and how that all fits into that.
00:17:59.954 --> 00:18:01.065
Am I not right about that?
00:18:01.244 --> 00:18:01.785
Correct?
00:18:01.815 --> 00:18:02.174
Yes.
00:18:02.174 --> 00:18:05.654
And, uh, I think the, the big differentiating factor that.
00:18:05.970 --> 00:18:24.059
We discussed, uh, off air is just how as you move from process to performance to outcome, you have less and less and less control over whether or not you achieve your goal or not.
00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:30.269
So again, what what that looks like is from a, from a process standpoint, it could be, alright, my process here is.
00:18:31.049 --> 00:18:33.180
Exactly what I'm gonna do to read this putt.
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This is my process goal.
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I'm going to put my feet in the middle section of the putt.
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I'm going to walk back.
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I'm going to use that information to determine a start line, and then from there, I'm going to focus on my speed control.
00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:47.940
Right?
00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:50.174
So that is a process, a mental process.
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That you have complete control over.
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There is nothing that the environment or nothing that any other plane competitors are gonna do to interrupt that process.
00:19:01.230 --> 00:19:12.240
Now, as you move from process to performance, even though the process is directly influencing the performance, you have less control over what's going on performance wise.
00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.430
You can do everything in your power.
00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:16.599
The golf ball, be up in the air in a.
00:19:17.714 --> 00:19:27.134
In a, in a bird fly across and, and hit your golf ball like you have, you have, you know, much, much less control over from a performance standpoint.
00:19:27.585 --> 00:19:32.055
Um, what ends up happening and then when you go from performance to outcome.
00:19:32.055 --> 00:19:34.214
So you think about the PGA, that just happened, right?
00:19:35.085 --> 00:19:44.174
I would be willing to, to, I'd be, I'd bet any amount of money that Bryce and de Shambo met or exceeded his performance goals.
00:19:44.174 --> 00:19:45.585
I mean, it was like the lowest.
00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:50.309
S uh, total score for PGA championship in like forever, I think.
00:19:50.339 --> 00:19:50.700
Right?
00:19:51.089 --> 00:19:58.109
So yeah, even though he met his performance goals, he didn't meet his outcome goal of winning the tournament.
00:19:58.589 --> 00:20:04.049
And so from an outcome standpoint, that's where you really have virtually no control.
00:20:04.049 --> 00:20:05.099
I shouldn't say no control.
00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:13.980
You have some control, but you have much less control over the outcome relative to the performance and then relative to the, the process.
00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:15.390
So all this to say.
00:20:15.990 --> 00:20:22.079
And you can kind of see where we're probably gonna end up going with this is that we would highly recommend process goals.
00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:29.130
We, they're almost, I shouldn't say man, but they're, they're pretty much mandatory for you to move to the next level.
00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:37.920
I think performance goals are still incredibly important to have, um, maybe a little bit less so than process.
00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:43.380
And then outcome goals, they can be great, but I think.
00:20:43.994 --> 00:20:49.335
What we'll talk about in this and later on in the show is that they're not mandatory in all scenarios.
00:20:50.384 --> 00:20:50.714
Yeah.
00:20:50.714 --> 00:21:06.345
And I think depending on who you are, and you're sitting there thinking about this to yourself, and this is what we, this is what we're about on the golf intervention is saying as, as you, as the listener, you know, put yourself, just think about your yourself for a second, and what are your goals?
00:21:06.345 --> 00:21:08.744
Are you much more outcome oriented?
00:21:09.164 --> 00:21:11.085
You know, are you saying, you know, I wanna win?
00:21:12.210 --> 00:21:15.869
My match on Saturday, I wanna win the club championship.
00:21:16.289 --> 00:21:20.099
Um, I want to beat this friend of mine who I always play with.
00:21:20.339 --> 00:21:23.490
I mean, those are a lot of the times how we, how we measure up.
00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:24.390
Um.
00:21:25.005 --> 00:21:27.015
And I like what you said there about control.
00:21:27.345 --> 00:21:37.065
You know, we have ultimate control over our process and if we, if we set the goal up to be process oriented a, I think our performance will likely improve.
00:21:37.275 --> 00:21:38.234
Not guaranteed.
00:21:38.565 --> 00:21:38.714
Yes.
00:21:38.714 --> 00:21:44.085
And therefore, if our performance likely improves, then we'll get some outcomes that we'll be satisfied with.
00:21:44.085 --> 00:21:47.295
I would think, unless we're not in the realm of reality.
00:21:47.444 --> 00:21:47.775
Right.
00:21:48.375 --> 00:21:50.835
And like I was saying to you before we came on.
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I, I could go try to play on the PGA tour, I would not do very well.
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And if I tried to think that that was reality for me, I'd be very dissatisfied.
00:22:01.575 --> 00:22:01.785
Right.
00:22:01.785 --> 00:22:06.255
So I'm very in reality when it comes to what my outcomes should be.
00:22:07.454 --> 00:22:11.505
And so when you look at performance, you know, you and I have, we, we really.
00:22:12.539 --> 00:22:13.769
Spend a lot of time.
00:22:13.769 --> 00:22:16.470
This is where data really comes in for performance, right?
00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:20.730
Um, but again, that can't really improve until the process improves.
00:22:20.970 --> 00:22:22.109
So, I'm with you.
00:22:22.109 --> 00:22:23.549
I think it's all about process.
00:22:23.549 --> 00:22:23.609
Uh.
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Outcomes.
00:22:26.204 --> 00:22:26.625
Yeah.
00:22:26.684 --> 00:22:29.444
I mean they'll, they, like you were saying, you don't have control of it.
00:22:29.444 --> 00:22:31.424
They kind of take care of themselves in a way.
00:22:31.904 --> 00:22:35.535
And Bryson had no out, he had no control.
00:22:35.565 --> 00:22:38.204
There's no defense in that in the PGA championship.
00:22:38.204 --> 00:22:38.414
Right.
00:22:38.414 --> 00:22:39.819
Sanders shuffle just put, played better.
00:22:39.819 --> 00:22:46.335
No, he was just standing there watching that putt go in while he is, you know, warming up on the range and that.
00:22:46.335 --> 00:22:51.565
That's a great, that was a great example of outcome goals and how there's nothing you do, you just.
00:22:52.095 --> 00:22:55.005
Was watching what was happening with that putt and it just didn't go his way.
00:22:55.005 --> 00:22:59.414
So yeah, I, I think, um, I think that's a, that's a good representation of that for sure.
00:22:59.714 --> 00:23:05.744
So now that we've defined these three types of goals, and you can sit there as a golfer, hopefully listening to this and say, okay, yeah.
00:23:05.744 --> 00:23:12.015
Like, I can see what I've been looking to achieve with my game and sort of tying, tying.
00:23:12.615 --> 00:23:17.234
You know, whatever it is that I'm trying to do or trying to feel about my game to one of those types of goals.
00:23:17.234 --> 00:23:17.535
Right.
00:23:17.684 --> 00:23:27.494
And this is different than the smart goal thing because I think that the smart goal thing and what we had a problem with was it was just so, it was so like it, it's not really how.
00:23:28.454 --> 00:23:32.325
Athletic performance works anyway and definitely not golf.
00:23:32.325 --> 00:23:33.914
'cause remember, golf is really hard.
00:23:33.974 --> 00:23:35.775
There's so many skills involved.
00:23:36.045 --> 00:23:37.904
There's such a diverse environment.
00:23:38.144 --> 00:23:43.634
You're really playing the golf course, but then you're, you're playing the golf course against other players who are playing the same golf course.
00:23:43.694 --> 00:23:46.875
And so it just changes, you know, it's just a different situation.
00:23:46.934 --> 00:23:54.644
So let's go into now with that framework in mind, let's talk about the outcome based goal.
00:23:54.765 --> 00:23:55.154
Yes.
00:23:55.740 --> 00:24:04.319
I think it's pretty easy to see here where the frustration lies in outcome based goals, correct?
00:24:04.349 --> 00:24:04.859
Yes.
00:24:05.490 --> 00:24:19.500
I think, uh, the first thing that I would want everyone to do or not do is do not couple your self-worth with your outcome goals.
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:22.440
And this seems obvious.
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:23.039
This seems like.
00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:28.289
Every, you know, everyone who's gonna listen to this podcast is gonna say, well, of course, I, I don't do that already.
00:24:28.289 --> 00:24:29.549
But you'd be surprised.
00:24:30.539 --> 00:24:38.700
There are questions, really relatively existential questions you can ask yourself of like, what if my best isn't good enough?
00:24:39.509 --> 00:24:40.710
Are you going to be okay?
00:24:41.670 --> 00:24:49.019
And you need to be able to answer that question unequivocally, yes, I'm going to be okay even if my best isn't good enough.
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.589
Because again, you have so little.
00:24:53.190 --> 00:25:04.140
Control over the outcome is that if you start to say, okay, well I am a golfer who wins tournaments, well then what happens if you're not winning a tournament?
00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:05.369
Who are you then?
00:25:05.549 --> 00:25:05.910
Right?
00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:13.859
So you need to make sure that you, outcome goals are just, it's like a, it's like a compass.
00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:17.250
It's just pointing you in a direction of where you want to go.
00:25:17.250 --> 00:25:17.940
Long term.
00:25:18.029 --> 00:25:18.839
It is not.
00:25:20.265 --> 00:25:28.424
A end all be all, and your wellbeing is not dependent on you achieving this outcome goal.
00:25:28.664 --> 00:25:30.944
I think that would be the first place that I'd like to go with that.
00:25:32.144 --> 00:25:32.325
Yeah.
00:25:32.325 --> 00:25:45.884
And it depends on what, I think that there's a lot of deep psychological, uh, aspects to this whole part of it, because I'm way better as a, as a coach talking about things like process and performance than I am outcomes.
00:25:46.065 --> 00:25:46.184
Yeah.
00:25:46.454 --> 00:25:50.025
And in fact, I don't talk about outcomes all that often.
00:25:50.204 --> 00:25:53.505
I think you and I were discussing that off air before we started recording.
00:25:53.505 --> 00:25:57.555
It's like, I don't know that I've ever had an outcome goal for myself.
00:25:57.974 --> 00:26:10.785
Um, part of that is because, you know, just the reality of playing golf and teaching golf and being a parent and like, you know, I was always, always process oriented, always.
00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:16.890
And then performance to an extent, um, as I started being able to track things and try to figure that out a little bit more.
00:26:16.890 --> 00:26:18.990
But this is really before the stat age, right?
00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:21.809
'cause I'm older, so that was a little bit, uh, earlier.
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:29.730
And so I think that there, your motivations and sort of your self-worth and all those things are really questions that people have to ask themselves, right?
00:26:29.730 --> 00:26:32.339
Like, I, I'm not gonna be able to solve that for somebody.
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.220
But what I can tell you is.
00:26:36.555 --> 00:26:40.934
The frustration that I see with people lies mostly in the outcome.
00:26:41.535 --> 00:26:56.625
If it's performance based, we can work on it, you know, like typically we can work on performance, uh, numbers and we, we can, we can use the things that we talk about, data points and track man stuff and whatever, uh, scoring strategies, all these things.
00:26:56.625 --> 00:26:58.964
But when it comes to outcome based.
00:26:59.654 --> 00:27:07.694
I, I don't have a lot of answers there because this is really just the person and themselves trying to determine what it is their vision for their life is, right?
00:27:07.694 --> 00:27:07.755
Yeah.
00:27:08.085 --> 00:27:12.525
So it's like, as a, for instance, if my son who came to me, who's a great student, right?
00:27:12.525 --> 00:27:24.914
He's graduating tomorrow or two days from now, excuse me, really excited, um, great student going to the, going to the University of Virginia, which is just an absolute unbelievable thing for him, right?
00:27:25.365 --> 00:27:25.904
And.
00:27:26.265 --> 00:27:30.255
If he said to me, Hey, you know, um, my goal is to be president of the United States.
00:27:31.130 --> 00:27:31.694
I, I don't know.
00:27:32.444 --> 00:27:33.494
I don't know what I would say.
00:27:33.525 --> 00:27:35.924
You know, like, well, that's awesome, right?
00:27:36.315 --> 00:27:41.835
Um, and then he would have to try to figure out how he's gonna perform and how he's gonna work on his process to get there.
00:27:41.835 --> 00:27:42.194
Right.
00:27:42.795 --> 00:27:50.414
And what I would encourage him is to say, you know what, it'd be cool to be the president of the United States, but.
00:27:50.970 --> 00:27:52.710
That's really outta your hands, right?
00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:53.910
Like you can work towards that.
00:27:53.910 --> 00:27:56.039
You can make all these choices along the way.
00:27:56.309 --> 00:28:09.150
You can figure out how to study the best, you can figure out how to, um, really take all the right career choices, meet the right people, but at the end of the day, it's really outta your hands, right?
00:28:09.150 --> 00:28:14.099
Something like that is in the voter's hands or something like being president of IBM or something like that.
00:28:14.099 --> 00:28:15.299
That's outta your hands as well.
00:28:15.299 --> 00:28:19.890
Somebody else is making that decision for you, and so you cannot.
00:28:20.549 --> 00:28:26.220
Really look at that and say, son, you know, my life would be worthless if I didn't achieve that.
00:28:26.250 --> 00:28:26.460
Right?
00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:40.410
Like, and that's kind of what we see in golf sometimes, where the biggest frustration lies with golfers, I see it all the time, is they're just not per, they're not getting to that outcome that they think they deserve and that it's frustrating them.
00:28:40.410 --> 00:28:40.740
Right.
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:42.990
I think you and I would say, Hey.
00:28:43.829 --> 00:28:45.180
That's a vision that you're having.
00:28:45.210 --> 00:28:45.630
Great.
00:28:45.930 --> 00:28:50.819
Now let's talk about what's really going on with your performance and with your process.
00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:53.789
Is that kind of how you would look at it too, Rob, or you got some different insight there?
00:28:53.880 --> 00:29:01.289
No, that I think we are definitely on the same page as far as that goes, and that gets into the relevancy of it, right?
00:29:01.289 --> 00:29:03.240
What is relevant for this person?
00:29:03.509 --> 00:29:08.214
We can't really tell you from an outcome standpoint what's relevant for you, but what we can tell you is.
00:29:09.045 --> 00:29:18.404
Relative to that outcome, what performance metrics are relevant and then relative to that performance goal, right?
00:29:18.404 --> 00:29:21.105
What processes are gonna be relevant for you?
00:29:21.105 --> 00:29:24.585
So that's where we more come in, uh, more often than not.
00:29:25.214 --> 00:29:25.724
It was fun.
00:29:25.724 --> 00:29:37.964
We did a little exercise, you and I, uh, before we came on the air, um, where we were sort of divvying up the, the pieces of the smart goal, um, and sort of graphing them into.
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:43.380
The different types of, uh, goals as far as process, performance and outcome.
00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:45.450
And it was really interesting to do that.
00:29:45.450 --> 00:29:49.230
Most of them fell under performance strong, strongest under performance.
00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:51.420
Obviously, they could have ranges on each one of them.
00:29:51.900 --> 00:30:00.539
Um, the outcome based goal really only has two of the smart goals that really are any part of that, which would be measurable and timely.
00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:00.869
Right.
00:30:00.869 --> 00:30:05.200
Like outside of that, the, the, the relevancy of it.
00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:10.859
Um, the achievable part of it, like none of that's really as relevant as it is to the other ones.
00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:11.220
Right.
00:30:11.490 --> 00:30:15.000
As far as performance goes, almost everything applies to performance, right?
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:21.809
Like every, every part of it is in the performance, but the most relevant we determined was the process, right?
00:30:21.809 --> 00:30:23.519
So that, that's so interesting.
00:30:23.549 --> 00:30:25.799
Well, why would that be the process?
00:30:26.115 --> 00:30:28.785
Is what drives the other stuff, right?
00:30:28.785 --> 00:30:30.884
So that's, that's really what it's all about.
00:30:31.184 --> 00:30:34.335
Um, so we've discussed real here outcome.
00:30:34.365 --> 00:30:39.884
We think outcome based is gonna be your most frustrating, so let's go to performance.
00:30:39.890 --> 00:30:44.234
I, I think performance can be a little more neutral in some of this.
00:30:44.325 --> 00:30:48.615
Like it's a little more, I'm trying to use the right term here.
00:30:48.615 --> 00:30:51.884
It can be more neutral for the right word, but basically it's like a little bit more.
00:30:52.884 --> 00:30:56.724
I was gonna say the, it's almost less emotional because it's either a plus or a minus.
00:30:56.724 --> 00:31:00.414
Like I, I, in my performance goals, I'm either doing it or I'm not.
00:31:00.565 --> 00:31:00.865
Right.
00:31:00.865 --> 00:31:06.714
And, and then I should be able to with modern, this is kind of the point we made way back in episode one and two is.
00:31:07.184 --> 00:31:13.244
You know, we can measure the metrics and then we can determine data points for you to work on, and then we just work on it, right?
00:31:13.244 --> 00:31:15.285
And that's just, then we have a process to work on it.
00:31:15.285 --> 00:31:20.565
So, you know, like if I wanna hit more greens and regulation, you and I are gonna figure that answer out for them.
00:31:20.835 --> 00:31:23.174
Okay, well how many are you, how many are you hitting it?
00:31:23.174 --> 00:31:23.924
Where are you missing it?
00:31:23.924 --> 00:31:25.095
What's your dispersion patterns?
00:31:25.095 --> 00:31:27.434
Like, let's look at your face to path numbers.
00:31:27.434 --> 00:31:29.025
Let, let's look at your contact issues.
00:31:29.025 --> 00:31:34.335
Let's look at, you know, all the relevant things, and then put it into that, and then we'll be able to figure it out, right?
00:31:34.335 --> 00:31:35.595
So there's a little bit more of a.
00:31:36.099 --> 00:31:42.670
Uh, I don't wanna say less emotional, but it's more math based there, you know, like here it is, there's the data point, and it's not the data point.
00:31:42.670 --> 00:31:43.779
Boom, boom, boom, off I go.
00:31:43.779 --> 00:31:44.200
Right.
00:31:44.529 --> 00:31:45.819
Um, do you disagree with that?
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:46.960
Not at all.
00:31:47.049 --> 00:31:47.289
No.
00:31:47.289 --> 00:31:49.569
I think that's, that's, that's spot on.
00:31:50.710 --> 00:31:54.160
And then we go into process and that's a little more warm and fuzzy in a way.
00:31:54.730 --> 00:31:56.200
So that's kinda the way I look at it.
00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:01.509
I mean, like, the process piece of it is more of the like, um.
00:32:02.575 --> 00:32:07.075
That achievement of waking up in the morning and getting on the Peloton and just knowing that you did it.
00:32:07.075 --> 00:32:08.390
Like there's a, there's a.
00:32:09.099 --> 00:32:16.240
There's an achievement to that, that like, when you're in the process and you're trusting the process, like it just feels right.
00:32:16.390 --> 00:32:17.619
You know, like, it just feels right.
00:32:17.619 --> 00:32:20.650
So let, let's not glance over performance base here.
00:32:20.650 --> 00:32:22.210
I want to get into that a little bit with you.
00:32:22.210 --> 00:32:33.789
So when we look at the performance based goals specifically, I think, again, going back to some of our first very earlier episodes, um, this is where.
00:32:34.180 --> 00:32:36.055
We like to capture some data, right?
00:32:36.055 --> 00:32:38.545
Like, isn't it, isn't it in the performance space?
00:32:38.545 --> 00:32:58.224
If I'm gonna be satisfied with how I'm doing, if I capture data and capture statistics and I can analyze'em with something like Game Forge, um, which we talked about with Mark Sweeney last week, isn't that really the thing that guides me towards, um, my satisfaction with my performance goals?
00:32:59.154 --> 00:32:59.785
Yes.
00:32:59.875 --> 00:33:00.684
Yeah, absolutely.
00:33:00.684 --> 00:33:01.519
That's gonna be where.
00:33:02.859 --> 00:33:16.390
Most of your attention's gonna be certainly af right after you play is, what was I trying to do as far as a performance metric side of it goes, um, how was I trying to do it?
00:33:16.390 --> 00:33:19.240
And then ultimately what I do, right?
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:21.640
What was, what was the actual performance?
00:33:21.670 --> 00:33:27.640
And then because that is, that is most directly tied to our processes.
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.490
So really the, the performance is.
00:33:30.789 --> 00:33:40.119
Uh, the feedback for, you know, what, what kind of processes are, are the processes that I'm putting in place actually moving me in the direction that I want?
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:46.750
And I know that based off of the objective, measurable, specific, right.
00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:49.359
The non-emotional performance metrics.
00:33:49.630 --> 00:33:49.690
Yeah.
00:33:49.690 --> 00:33:52.990
Non-emotional, measurable, mathematical.
00:33:52.990 --> 00:33:55.269
Like that's what I, that's really what I was after.
00:33:55.539 --> 00:33:57.309
And I think that's the world I live in.
00:33:58.029 --> 00:34:06.609
Um, e each and every day with my students is a lot of that performance, um, based sort of relevancy.
00:34:06.700 --> 00:34:11.710
And obviously then you're putting in the process like you're saying to, to, to, to get to where you want to go.
00:34:12.099 --> 00:34:14.949
Um, but every day I try to be in that moment.
00:34:14.949 --> 00:34:16.780
It's, it's really interesting to me.
00:34:17.170 --> 00:34:25.420
Um, I had some conversations with golfers who were sort of dissatisfied with how they were playing.
00:34:25.929 --> 00:34:26.889
I wanna say they're.
00:34:27.369 --> 00:34:41.469
They were very outcome oriented, not achieving that, and then sort of not going back into their, either their performance, it was some measurable data point or their, into their process for that.
00:34:41.469 --> 00:34:47.829
But I think the performance was the key for the, for this, actually it was a few people I was talking to with the same, with the same type of thing.
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:54.070
Then they wanted to blame things like, um, you know, I'm not committed to my shots or I'm not.
00:34:54.670 --> 00:34:59.559
Trusting my swing, or I'm not, you know, I need a sports psychologist and all this stuff.
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:03.250
And, and my answer to to them was like, well, no.
00:35:03.250 --> 00:35:06.579
It's like your, your face is four degrees open and impact on your driver.
00:35:06.579 --> 00:35:07.900
You're always gonna hit it in the woods.
00:35:07.900 --> 00:35:10.869
I don't care how much you trust it, I trust that swing.
00:35:10.869 --> 00:35:11.110
Right?
00:35:11.110 --> 00:35:13.690
Like, and so if you can.
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:21.670
If you can figure out those things in the Perform, boy, you want to talk about gain and satisfaction with what you're doing.
00:35:21.909 --> 00:35:25.119
All of a sudden, you're not blaming yourself for these things.
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:30.474
You're understanding what it is that you need to do to get better, and those performance type goals like.
00:35:31.010 --> 00:35:31.579
Hey, Eric.
00:35:31.585 --> 00:35:34.070
I, I, I can't, I can't break 80.
00:35:34.219 --> 00:35:36.139
Hey, Eric, I can't break a hundred.
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.269
Um, I, I don't know what's wrong with me.
00:35:38.295 --> 00:35:40.250
I, I, I need a, I need this and I need that.
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.289
Well, no, I mean, let's talk about it.
00:35:42.289 --> 00:35:43.340
Let's look at your metrics.
00:35:43.340 --> 00:35:44.329
Like we can figure it out.
00:35:44.329 --> 00:35:45.920
It doesn't have to be emotional, right?
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:45.980
Yeah.
00:35:45.980 --> 00:35:56.090
Like this is where we can really get into the bottom of it and create solutions that are very much like you were saying, they're just.
00:35:56.980 --> 00:36:01.360
They're very objective and measurable and unemotional, and it's just a data point.
00:36:01.389 --> 00:36:02.710
Like, nope, it's just a data point.
00:36:02.710 --> 00:36:09.195
It's not your self worth, it's just a data point on a scale, and we can get you, you got it to where you want to go, and that's why I love.
00:36:10.074 --> 00:36:22.614
How we teach golf these days with TrackMan, because I'm telling you, I did this for 15 plus years without it, and man was that difficult to pull off in the past, but now we can do it.
00:36:22.945 --> 00:36:35.034
And um, and I think that that's probably one of the most satisfying things that I see with my job these days is seeing the, seeing the answer for people, seeing the solution like.
00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:38.530
Almost in a mathematical way and them going like, I got buy-in.
00:36:38.530 --> 00:36:39.460
I can work on that.
00:36:39.849 --> 00:36:41.409
And that's where you go into the process.
00:36:41.409 --> 00:36:44.500
But anyway, I, I kind of see that a lot.
00:36:44.769 --> 00:36:53.289
Rob, do you see that same sort of thing as far as like self-confidence and all these things as far as the outcome and really it should have been a performance based situation?
00:36:54.250 --> 00:36:54.699
Correct?
00:36:54.820 --> 00:36:56.679
Yeah, I, I would completely agree.
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:00.340
So let's get into some examples of kind of.
00:37:00.699 --> 00:37:06.909
Uh, relative to an outcome goal, what's a, what's a relevant performance goal?
00:37:07.090 --> 00:37:16.369
And then, uh, process just to kind of give the listener a little bit more color, a little bit more context behind, um, some of these terms that we're kind of throwing out what you said.
00:37:17.304 --> 00:37:17.844
Awesome.
00:37:17.844 --> 00:37:23.215
And maybe for a, for them too is like, when is it most important for me to have one of those in place?
00:37:23.215 --> 00:37:23.545
Right.
00:37:23.574 --> 00:37:27.954
So, um, so you want to give an example, first of a process?
00:37:27.954 --> 00:37:29.184
Do you wanna go start with process?
00:37:29.184 --> 00:37:35.635
Yeah, we can move kind of through the smart, uh, acronym, maybe even, uh, with some of these might be, might be fun.
00:37:35.755 --> 00:37:36.744
Okay, go ahead.
00:37:36.744 --> 00:37:37.644
You started off then.
00:37:37.675 --> 00:37:37.795
Okay.
00:37:37.824 --> 00:37:41.574
So outcome goal would be, I wanna win my club championship.
00:37:42.864 --> 00:37:43.224
Right.
00:37:43.614 --> 00:37:45.534
And then relative to that.
00:37:46.750 --> 00:37:58.510
I've looked at the, the previous winning scores, I can see that I'm gonna need to shoot something in the neighborhood of, let's say it's a three six hole event.
00:37:59.019 --> 00:38:05.139
Let's say I'm gonna need to shoot something in the neighborhood of five to six under par to give myself a chance.
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:05.710
Right?
00:38:05.710 --> 00:38:11.980
So the five to six under par, uh, on a particular golf course would be the performance or would be a.
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:14.349
Type of performance goal.
00:38:14.590 --> 00:38:15.940
'cause it's just a number, right?
00:38:16.449 --> 00:38:22.059
It's just, hey, this is generally speaking what we're gonna need to do now for that.
00:38:22.059 --> 00:38:27.369
Then you're gonna break down, okay, where are my, what's my offensive opportunities?
00:38:27.369 --> 00:38:28.840
What's my defensive opportunities?
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:33.519
Offense being like birdie opportunities, defense being, Hey, I'm just trying to get out with par.
00:38:33.969 --> 00:38:35.829
Um, par fives.
00:38:36.489 --> 00:38:39.159
Short par fours, maybe short par threes.
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:47.530
And then you've got your really long par fours, long par four, but long par threes, um, which would be some of your more, your defensive opportunities.
00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:47.829
Right.
00:38:47.829 --> 00:38:54.130
And then looking at, for you as an individual, what are your performance goals?
00:38:54.429 --> 00:38:59.920
So like for, um, let's say this individual really struggles with the short game.
00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:03.070
It's like, Hey, let's make sure that we get 100% of our shots.
00:39:03.730 --> 00:39:03.940
Um.
00:39:04.585 --> 00:39:07.014
On the green from inside of 40 yards, right?
00:39:07.014 --> 00:39:09.925
That could be, again, another type of performance goal.
00:39:10.164 --> 00:39:13.795
Now, as we peel back the onion even deeper, right?
00:39:13.795 --> 00:39:17.934
So we're going from almost no control, right?
00:39:17.994 --> 00:39:21.085
To pretty decent amount of control.
00:39:21.655 --> 00:39:24.295
But then now what are we fully gonna control, right?
00:39:24.295 --> 00:39:28.704
So from a process standpoint, let's say again, I'm looking at short game.
00:39:29.425 --> 00:39:42.355
I'm trying to take advantage of my offensive opportunities on par fives when I'm pushing the green, trying to get inside 40 yards in, um, in two, you know, if I miss the green on par threes or par fours, my ability to save par.
00:39:42.954 --> 00:39:48.804
So for that, I'm gonna make sure that I'm going to read the lie as best as I possibly can.
00:39:50.215 --> 00:39:54.775
I'm going to pick out a land area, right?
00:39:54.775 --> 00:39:54.985
And.
00:39:55.315 --> 00:39:58.164
Based off how far it's gonna roll, right?
00:39:58.164 --> 00:40:01.284
I'm gonna choose a club and a shot.
00:40:01.405 --> 00:40:04.494
I'm gonna rehearse, I'm gonna see it as best I can.
00:40:04.494 --> 00:40:06.715
I'm gonna commit to creating that shot.
00:40:06.985 --> 00:40:07.195
Right?
00:40:07.195 --> 00:40:10.494
So that's just an example of like a mental process that you could go through.
00:40:11.695 --> 00:40:13.164
Just an example for the podcast.
00:40:13.164 --> 00:40:16.824
But you can do that every single time.
00:40:16.824 --> 00:40:21.954
You can read the lie, you can pick a landing area, you can pick a shot, you can.
00:40:22.045 --> 00:40:22.074
Okay.
00:40:22.974 --> 00:40:26.304
Visualize the shot, feel the shot, and try to execute the shot as best you can.
00:40:26.844 --> 00:40:32.695
And whatever happens, at least you'll know that you met your process goal.
00:40:33.054 --> 00:40:42.420
Now, if you go through your process goal and you commit to that process goal, what we're saying is that your performance goal is probably gonna be more likely achieved.
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.420
Yeah, if you didn't achieve your process, sorry.
00:40:46.449 --> 00:40:52.480
If you didn't achieve, achieve your performance goal, then the question is, all right, was it the right performance goal?
00:40:52.510 --> 00:40:55.840
Number one, let's assume it is Number two.
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:57.309
Was it just variance?
00:40:57.489 --> 00:41:00.159
Was it, oh, well my process were good.
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.949
Everything was in place, just didn't work out for me this time, right?
00:41:02.949 --> 00:41:04.809
Everything, everything happens in variance.
00:41:04.809 --> 00:41:07.360
You're gonna have, it's like a bell curve, right?
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.820
You're gonna hit, half of your shots are gonna be better than average.
00:41:09.820 --> 00:41:11.260
Half of your shots are gonna be worse than average.
00:41:11.260 --> 00:41:12.849
You're gonna hit a ton of shots that are average.
00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:15.519
Some are gonna be amazing, some are gonna be terrible, right?
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.380
So everything's happening on the spell curve.
00:41:17.949 --> 00:41:19.269
So it could just be variance.
00:41:19.659 --> 00:41:27.010
What it also could be is that your processes weren't aligned with what you needed to do, right?
00:41:27.010 --> 00:41:37.059
And so that's when you can take a step back and say, all right, what do I need to build into my processes to better allow me to produce my performance goal?
00:41:37.449 --> 00:41:40.090
And so now we're looking at things very much from a.
00:41:41.244 --> 00:41:42.954
You know, like you'd run a business, right?
00:41:42.954 --> 00:41:48.655
It's not, it's not just, oh, I feel like I need to do this, so I'm just gonna go and see how this works.
00:41:48.684 --> 00:41:55.465
No, you're actually looking at what is actually moving performance in the direction of your outcome goal.
00:41:55.525 --> 00:41:59.394
If you have an outcome goal, like we said, we don't, you don't have to have one, right?
00:41:59.394 --> 00:42:00.715
And you're giving yourself feedback.
00:42:00.715 --> 00:42:05.784
You're giving yourself actionable feedback around what you need to do to kind of push yourself in the right direction.
00:42:05.784 --> 00:42:08.905
So that would be an example of kind of how you can move from.
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:12.639
Outcome Win Club championship process.
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:14.679
All right, we need to get this score.
00:42:14.739 --> 00:42:15.969
How are we gonna build this score?
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.519
Well, it's just a accumulation of offensive defense.
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:27.309
All right, so for this particular golfer, let's say that they hit it tee to green really well, but once they get inside 40 yards, they kinda struggle.
00:42:27.369 --> 00:42:28.114
Well, now they're gonna have.
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.000
Um, kind of a spotlight.
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:32.469
Performance outcomes.
00:42:32.469 --> 00:42:34.360
Like, Hey, let's make sure we never miss a green.
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.050
And you can even put like proximities, P twelves, P sixes, right?
00:42:38.050 --> 00:42:39.909
If you're game forge, you know what I'm talking about.
00:42:40.449 --> 00:42:41.650
And then process goals.
00:42:41.650 --> 00:42:42.820
How am I hitting these shots?
00:42:42.820 --> 00:42:46.269
What are the behaviors that are going to align with my process goals?
00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:46.929
Sorry.
00:42:47.469 --> 00:42:52.329
What are my process behaviors that are going to align with my performance goals?
00:42:53.230 --> 00:42:55.570
And would you put practice?
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:56.380
Um.
00:42:56.755 --> 00:42:57.894
In the process.
00:42:57.925 --> 00:42:58.255
Yes.
00:42:58.284 --> 00:43:00.059
Part of the, yeah, absolutely.
00:43:00.059 --> 00:43:00.925
Of that whole equation.
00:43:00.925 --> 00:43:01.405
A hundred percent.
00:43:01.764 --> 00:43:02.065
Okay.
00:43:02.065 --> 00:43:02.755
That's what I mean.
00:43:02.875 --> 00:43:06.565
To me, that's like the biggest, the biggest driver of that.
00:43:06.565 --> 00:43:11.304
And I think that as you go again, so we're talking about kind the overarching theme.
00:43:11.784 --> 00:43:15.204
You know, if you looked at Bryson Dbo may have had.
00:43:15.925 --> 00:43:20.485
Maybe he had a goal to win the PGA this week coming in, which would be very reasonable for him.
00:43:20.485 --> 00:43:27.054
He is, you know, a great player, one of the best players in the world, and so there's his outcome goal to win.
00:43:27.775 --> 00:43:31.855
So then his performance, he might have set a metric, I'm gonna shoot 20 under par this week.
00:43:31.855 --> 00:43:35.005
If I shoot 20 under par, I gotta Chino, I'm gonna do this thing.
00:43:35.005 --> 00:43:35.125
Yeah.
00:43:35.394 --> 00:43:38.304
Um, and he does it through all the things that you just said.
00:43:38.304 --> 00:43:41.485
You know, he, he works on his driving and I need to hit this.
00:43:41.485 --> 00:43:43.494
And these guys are going through things like.
00:43:43.914 --> 00:43:49.945
You know, this week I'm gonna need, you know, this type of shot for the par fives, or maybe this is a good shot I need on some of the par three.
00:43:49.945 --> 00:43:55.045
So they're, they're building towards their, they're periodizing, their training and their skillset.
00:43:55.255 --> 00:43:58.735
This is a level three thing, by the way, really level four, we'll call it tour player level four.
00:43:59.065 --> 00:44:05.730
Um, this is a level, level four thing where they're building up to this with specific skills inside their skillset.
00:44:06.414 --> 00:44:15.445
To optimize for the certain course, the certain week, the certain conditions, and then the process obviously is trusting that and building the caddy and the whole deal.
00:44:15.445 --> 00:44:15.715
Correct.
00:44:15.985 --> 00:44:20.394
And that's a beautiful, um, that's a beautiful description of all that.
00:44:20.905 --> 00:44:23.275
So let's, let's think about that whole thing again.
00:44:23.605 --> 00:44:30.025
Um, from a level one player, like maybe my outcome goal here is break a hundred.
00:44:31.885 --> 00:44:33.355
So I gotta, I'm gonna try to break a hundred.
00:44:33.355 --> 00:44:34.804
I guess that, is that an, is that as.
00:44:35.304 --> 00:44:37.494
Too much of a, um, performance goal.
00:44:37.585 --> 00:44:38.094
Guess that More perform?
00:44:38.094 --> 00:44:38.105
Yeah.
00:44:38.105 --> 00:44:39.139
That's more of a performance, performance goal, isn't it?
00:44:39.139 --> 00:44:39.389
Perform, yeah.
00:44:39.389 --> 00:44:39.744
Outcome.
00:44:40.255 --> 00:44:43.585
Outcome would be like, I'm going to beat, I'm gonna beat my buddy.
00:44:43.855 --> 00:44:44.425
Okay.
00:44:44.635 --> 00:44:44.934
Okay.
00:44:44.934 --> 00:44:46.614
So I see this all the time, right?
00:44:46.614 --> 00:44:48.054
I, I need to beat this friend of mine.
00:44:48.445 --> 00:44:53.125
He's obnoxious and he talks, he talks smack to me all the time, and I need to beat him, right?
00:44:53.125 --> 00:44:56.514
But I'm, but I can't do it until I can break a hundred, essentially.
00:44:56.514 --> 00:44:58.764
So here I am, level one golfer.
00:44:58.914 --> 00:45:00.445
Maybe I got a buddy that's a level two golfer.
00:45:00.445 --> 00:45:04.164
So now I've got this, this performance goal of shooting.
00:45:04.750 --> 00:45:05.320
A number.
00:45:05.349 --> 00:45:07.960
I gotta, I gotta break a hundred to beat this person.
00:45:08.530 --> 00:45:20.530
Um, so when they're looking inside of that skill set to break a hundred, they come to see you or me or some other teacher, like they're gonna need a definable thing to work on.
00:45:20.590 --> 00:45:24.670
And that's where we get into, that's where ball flight stuff comes in.
00:45:24.670 --> 00:45:27.070
Like, we're gonna be creating skills for them.
00:45:27.474 --> 00:45:32.155
That help them align with what someone that breaks a hundred does, right?
00:45:32.155 --> 00:45:34.644
They've gotta hit a certain number of greener regulation.
00:45:34.704 --> 00:45:36.114
It's not many, I don't think, right?
00:45:36.114 --> 00:45:37.284
Four, four or five.
00:45:37.284 --> 00:45:38.425
I don't have the data in front of me.
00:45:38.784 --> 00:45:41.244
I've gotta have this amount of putts, probably.
00:45:41.724 --> 00:45:47.920
Um, I gotta have not too many disruptors and penalty shots, and these are the things that are gonna help me.
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:49.449
Uh, do that.
00:45:49.449 --> 00:45:55.239
And then the process is probably the hardest for the, for the level one player or the level one player, don't you think?
00:45:55.239 --> 00:46:02.860
I mean, I would say a level three player to tour player is so in tune to a process and they probably had to have that to get there.
00:46:03.429 --> 00:46:10.150
But the level one player, Rob, isn't this the place where the process really probably lets them down to speak.
00:46:10.150 --> 00:46:14.929
So yeah, it's the, it's the biggest opportunity for development for them because they don't have one.
00:46:15.909 --> 00:46:18.130
They literally, they, they don't know what they don't know.
00:46:18.789 --> 00:46:29.110
So at some point you've gotta give, you've either gotta give them a framework or you just give them the information and then allow them to come up with a framework.
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:43.690
Um, but whatever they need to do, they need to understand again, their, their relevant process goals, which for level one golfers are usually low point in three dimensions, right?
00:46:43.809 --> 00:46:44.079
Is it.
00:46:44.409 --> 00:46:52.329
Up, down, forward, back, right or left, and they're keeping track of right where is my low point over time, right?
00:46:52.329 --> 00:46:53.920
They're not saying, okay, shot to shot.
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:58.570
They're saying, okay, after the round of golf, where was my tendency in my low point?
00:46:58.570 --> 00:47:03.159
Because you do have control over where the low point having you might not feel like you have.
00:47:03.550 --> 00:47:09.429
You might feel like it's more variable than what you want, but the way that you swing the club.
00:47:09.954 --> 00:47:18.864
Is creating a low point and you can get more or less aware of that low point and the process of becoming aware of that low point is an amazing process goal.
00:47:19.644 --> 00:47:29.605
And so if you can have the process goal becoming more aware of where the bottom of your swing is, more aware of where the face of the club at impact is pointing, more aware of the speed of the club and impact those.
00:47:30.190 --> 00:47:32.110
Again, those are the golf intervention big three.
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:32.949
Alright.
00:47:32.949 --> 00:47:34.389
Low point club phase speed.
00:47:34.900 --> 00:47:42.610
As you develop awareness of those things, then those are for almost every level one golfer that's gonna be very well aligned to their performance goal of reducing shots to green.
00:47:42.969 --> 00:47:47.889
I don't think there's any question when I've have level one players, either in clinics or in lessons.
00:47:48.820 --> 00:47:54.369
I feel like, and the, and you mentioned this a little bit before, is that we can all learn how to learn better.
00:47:54.460 --> 00:47:54.849
Right.
00:47:54.909 --> 00:48:03.070
And I feel like my job with a lot of that level one, level two player is really helping them learn how to learn better.
00:48:03.130 --> 00:48:03.369
Right?
00:48:03.369 --> 00:48:12.159
Like, it just, it's, it's about creating a process for learning, creating an environment to succeed in, um, getting a mindset that helps you achieve it.
00:48:12.414 --> 00:48:14.545
And then just, you know, building that up.
00:48:14.545 --> 00:48:16.974
And granted, I'm looking at the performance factors.
00:48:16.974 --> 00:48:18.744
There's no question about it.
00:48:18.744 --> 00:48:20.454
I'm looking at it every single time.
00:48:20.905 --> 00:48:27.505
But if we know that you've got this big data point, you know, club face to path is open seven degrees.
00:48:28.224 --> 00:48:30.925
Okay, we're gonna have a hard time here, right?
00:48:31.105 --> 00:48:31.704
So.
00:48:32.605 --> 00:48:42.594
We're gonna develop a process to try to, we're gonna know how to fix that from a swing technique standpoint, but I gotta, I gotta develop a process to practice it and implement it on the golf course.
00:48:42.684 --> 00:48:44.664
And so what becomes the most important thing?
00:48:44.664 --> 00:48:51.324
Well, it's really like the performance element in the lesson is really now just knowing what you didn't know, but that doesn't.
00:48:51.344 --> 00:48:52.094
Fix anything.
00:48:52.125 --> 00:48:52.364
Correct.
00:48:52.394 --> 00:48:52.695
Right.
00:48:52.695 --> 00:48:56.474
Like that's the least, that is not the roast relative relevant thing.
00:48:56.744 --> 00:49:09.494
And that's where we go back to process being relevant is I've gotta send you the student out and say, here's the process for you to practice this thing and implement it on the golf course.
00:49:09.585 --> 00:49:18.030
And if you can't, if we can't communicate that to our students, we failed them because man, nothing, nothing bums me out more when it's like than I hear.
00:49:18.625 --> 00:49:20.934
Man, Eric, I can do it when you're here coaching me up.
00:49:20.934 --> 00:49:22.644
And then when I'm left on my own, I can't do it.
00:49:23.184 --> 00:49:26.934
And, and I'm like, you know, I want you to be able to do it.
00:49:26.934 --> 00:49:29.514
I need you to be able to, and it's really hard'cause golf is hard.
00:49:29.514 --> 00:49:29.994
I get it.
00:49:29.994 --> 00:49:37.494
Like we all, we all experience that, but my goal for you is to be able to do this when I'm not standing there.
00:49:37.494 --> 00:49:40.855
So the process is the key to that.
00:49:40.855 --> 00:49:46.525
We go back to this, the process is the most relevant piece of this, especially in that level one player.
00:49:46.525 --> 00:49:47.784
I don't think there's any.
00:49:48.324 --> 00:49:49.344
Question about it.
00:49:49.344 --> 00:49:53.335
So, um, those are, those are good example.
00:49:53.335 --> 00:49:56.545
I think that hopefully gives a listener a little bit of a, a visual on that.
00:49:56.545 --> 00:49:58.914
Do you want to go through another example of that, Rob?
00:50:00.025 --> 00:50:01.885
Yeah, I can, I can think of a couple.
00:50:01.945 --> 00:50:09.264
Um, so let's say outcome, goal is to win the masters, right?
00:50:09.264 --> 00:50:14.965
You could go out and you could, you could shoot the Augusta National course record.
00:50:16.224 --> 00:50:18.775
And someone else could come right behind.
00:50:18.775 --> 00:50:26.454
You have the have the t have the tee time right behind you and then break your course record to win the, to win the masters.
00:50:26.454 --> 00:50:34.585
So again, you have an influence, but it's not direct control over that is more your compass.
00:50:34.585 --> 00:50:38.094
That is your guiding light to, okay, what are the performance goals that I need?
00:50:39.295 --> 00:50:44.590
So then you're going to back that into, okay, performance goal would be I need to hit.
00:50:45.954 --> 00:50:49.644
Half of my par fives, I need to birdie half of my par fives, right?
00:50:49.644 --> 00:50:55.885
Let's say that would be your performance goal is that you're trying to figure out how to birdie half of your par fives.
00:50:56.125 --> 00:50:59.875
Then you're gonna work that in, okay, what are my go for green opportunities?
00:51:00.295 --> 00:51:10.284
And then you might have even like a A underneath the surface, like, okay, my performance goal for this is to hit 75% of those fairways.
00:51:11.125 --> 00:51:11.364
Right?
00:51:11.364 --> 00:51:13.264
So that might even be kind of a, a.
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.300
Peeled onion of that performance goal.
00:51:16.750 --> 00:51:27.670
Now, from a process goal, right, let's make sure that in practice we are hitting the shots that we're gonna hit, the way we're gonna hit'em some amount, right?
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:36.400
We would prefer that it's a representative sample, which means if you're gonna hit 10 drivers, let's hit 10 drivers.
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:45.880
The way we're gonna hit those 10 drivers, and you can visualize the fairway, you can visualize kind of what the, where the ball's gonna end up and then play the hole in from there, right?
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:50.800
But then let's spend some amount of process time developing skill.
00:51:51.099 --> 00:52:00.400
So for this golfer, I can guarantee that face to path awareness is gonna be number, you know, very high on their list.
00:52:00.969 --> 00:52:06.460
Um, let's figure out where my bandwidth is, what my reference points are for my face to path.
00:52:06.730 --> 00:52:09.550
So I have awareness of where I need to operate within.
00:52:09.550 --> 00:52:14.110
This is gonna be a really, really tight face to path awareness with this type of player, right?
00:52:14.110 --> 00:52:15.880
So that'd be more of like a skill aspect.
00:52:16.510 --> 00:52:26.829
And then from a swing aspect, what are the general movements that I need to encourage that would allow me to then control the face to path more predictably, right?
00:52:26.829 --> 00:52:31.179
And so I'm gonna have between this player and their coach, they're gonna have some.
00:52:31.764 --> 00:52:35.005
Drill or some movement, some exercise that's gonna encourage that.
00:52:35.275 --> 00:52:37.494
Maybe they turn that into a pre-shot routine.
00:52:37.764 --> 00:52:38.304
Okay.
00:52:38.304 --> 00:52:48.775
For this swing change that I'm trying to encourage, here's a pre-shot routine that's gonna prime this movement, that's gonna make it more likely that that movement shows up when I play.
00:52:49.284 --> 00:52:54.835
So now we're building processes that are relevant to actually playing the game.
00:52:55.375 --> 00:52:59.364
Because ev, before you hit a shot, you're gonna have to do something before you hit the shot.
00:52:59.755 --> 00:53:21.864
So can we use that time prior to swinging the golf club to help encourage the swing that is going to make the skill more accessible and that skill be relevant for the performance goal of hitting 75% of the fairways, of the par fives that you're gonna hit into, and you're gonna try to bird half of those.
00:53:22.704 --> 00:53:23.574
To win the masters.
00:53:23.605 --> 00:53:23.815
Right.
00:53:23.815 --> 00:53:25.735
So you can see how this all kind of flows together.
00:53:26.304 --> 00:53:26.934
I think it's great.
00:53:26.934 --> 00:53:33.804
I think the listener here should maybe work through it a little bit themselves, like visualize what they want to do.
00:53:34.164 --> 00:53:35.425
It's really interesting.
00:53:35.425 --> 00:53:39.114
I wish, I wish people could have had some insight into the conversation we had.
00:53:39.114 --> 00:53:42.175
'cause it, it was re it was pretty interesting.
00:53:42.625 --> 00:53:43.255
Um.
00:53:43.644 --> 00:53:57.295
How we, how we ended up on this sort of outline for the, for the show, because you and I probably, we kind of looked at each other and we're like, you know, we're, we're both very satisfied golfers with how we play in general.
00:53:57.474 --> 00:53:58.675
Um, play really well.
00:53:58.675 --> 00:54:00.925
Number one, you know, we're level three players.
00:54:01.434 --> 00:54:04.105
Number two, we're both very satisfied with how we play.
00:54:04.105 --> 00:54:10.255
Like, I don't, I mean, I have days where I don't like, ah, you know, I didn't play that great, but it, I never get really frustrated with it.
00:54:10.675 --> 00:54:10.795
Yeah.
00:54:10.855 --> 00:54:11.394
Um.
00:54:12.235 --> 00:54:16.135
And I have never, I don't think in my life had an outcome goal.
00:54:16.644 --> 00:54:24.264
I don't think ever, um, performance goals may, maybe at times, you know, some stuff that, some data points.
00:54:24.264 --> 00:54:29.454
Like I went through a little bit of a time where I'm like, oh, I need to get my club, I need to get my club speed up.
00:54:29.454 --> 00:54:31.074
Or, um.
00:54:32.230 --> 00:54:34.000
You know, some proximity stuff.
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:41.619
Maybe in the short game I was really working on hard in with wedge play, but for the most part I was always focused on just the process.
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:43.480
You know, just always focused on the process.
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:52.750
And I've always been fairly content with how I've played, you know, as I've moved along through, but everybody's different, you know, everybody's very different.
00:54:52.750 --> 00:55:00.489
And so I think that you can't, you can't box yourself into the smart goal framework in golf'cause it just doesn't really work for those.
00:55:00.925 --> 00:55:02.125
For those reasons.
00:55:02.784 --> 00:55:14.454
So I think what we're gonna do, Rob, is we're gonna, you and I are gonna work on a, a worksheet for the listener that we're gonna put on our substack.
00:55:14.454 --> 00:55:14.545
Yes.
00:55:14.574 --> 00:55:22.824
We're gonna put, we're gonna put that out on the substack and it's gonna help them work through some of these, some of these goals and kind of outlined a little bit better for them.
00:55:22.824 --> 00:55:23.275
So.
00:55:24.085 --> 00:55:33.804
Um, if you hadn't heard from us yet, we do have something called a substack, which is really just where we, where we put our content on the, on the, I guess on the internet.
00:55:34.105 --> 00:55:38.335
It's the golf intervention.substack.com is where you can find us.
00:55:38.394 --> 00:55:44.244
We have both free and paid subscriptions on there, so some of the stuff we're gonna do will be behind a paywall.
00:55:44.635 --> 00:55:46.945
Um, we'll, we definitely will have a bonus.
00:55:47.425 --> 00:55:51.954
Um, episode every month we've promised out there, plus some other really good stuff.
00:55:51.954 --> 00:55:58.375
And Robbie, you've written some incredible stuff for that already, which is all very golf intervention focused, right?
00:55:58.375 --> 00:56:01.164
It's like very much what we talk about on this show.
00:56:01.164 --> 00:56:06.204
So if you want to support the show, we would love you to have you subscribe to the Substack either.
00:56:06.550 --> 00:56:07.059
Either way.
00:56:07.059 --> 00:56:08.619
If you want the free, that's totally fine.
00:56:08.650 --> 00:56:12.250
'cause you're gonna see, we're gonna put stuff out there that's not behind the paywall too.
00:56:12.579 --> 00:56:16.659
And every time something comes up that we do put behind the paywall, you're gonna get a little notification about it.
00:56:16.659 --> 00:56:21.010
And so you'll see if you think that's something you want to, you want to check out or not.
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:26.739
But those of you that have subscribed and are supporting the show, we can't thank you anymore.
00:56:26.739 --> 00:56:28.539
It's really cool to have that happening for us.
00:56:28.539 --> 00:56:28.599
Yeah.
00:56:29.380 --> 00:56:32.739
Um, I know, I think it's been really fun so far to figure that thing out.
00:56:32.739 --> 00:56:35.679
I think you and I are still figuring out the best ways to use that.
00:56:36.309 --> 00:56:37.599
Um, but it's fun.
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.610
It's fun, it's a fun thing for us.
00:56:39.699 --> 00:56:50.889
Um, so we're gonna put some stuff out there on the substack when it come, where it comes to this process, or excuse me, this goal conversation that we're having.
00:56:50.889 --> 00:56:55.239
'cause what we wanna do is drive you towards golf satisfaction.
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:55.989
Isn't that what we said?
00:56:55.989 --> 00:56:57.340
Like, we want to be satisfied.
00:56:57.925 --> 00:56:58.735
With how we play.
00:56:58.735 --> 00:57:00.684
We want to enjoy the game to the utmost.
00:57:00.954 --> 00:57:04.824
And I think some of this is really a, a very, very big part of that, without doubt.
00:57:04.914 --> 00:57:11.844
Um, so as far as goals go, Rob, um, anything else you'd like to add to that conversation?
00:57:12.534 --> 00:57:13.494
I think we covered it.
00:57:13.855 --> 00:57:16.614
I think that's, uh, I think that's a good summary for sure.
00:57:17.485 --> 00:57:18.295
So once again.
00:57:19.389 --> 00:57:21.550
Goals in golf are a very interesting thing.
00:57:21.579 --> 00:57:27.909
Think about to yourself what it is that you've been focusing on to, to determine whether or not you're satisfied with how you played.
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:29.739
Is it an outcome?
00:57:29.769 --> 00:57:31.030
I want to beat this person.
00:57:31.030 --> 00:57:32.170
I wanna win that thing.
00:57:32.170 --> 00:57:41.110
I want to, whatever performance is more about your score and your skills and some metrics that are measurable that you're putting out there.
00:57:41.110 --> 00:57:43.599
It's very, like I said, it's almost mathematical.
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:45.460
It's not, it's not emotional.
00:57:46.090 --> 00:57:48.730
Um, or have you been more process oriented?
00:57:49.300 --> 00:57:52.300
Um, all of which have their, their place.
00:57:52.570 --> 00:57:55.360
And so just figure out what you want to do.
00:57:55.900 --> 00:57:57.849
You don't have to write it down again.
00:57:58.150 --> 00:58:00.760
Robbie says, I've never written a goal down.
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.489
You know, should I have not shared that with a listener?
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:05.530
That's'cause we just keep it in the back of our mind.
00:58:05.530 --> 00:58:05.619
Right?
00:58:05.619 --> 00:58:07.210
Never in an outcome goal down.
00:58:07.210 --> 00:58:07.539
Yeah.
00:58:07.545 --> 00:58:07.934
Yeah, yeah.
00:58:07.989 --> 00:58:09.309
Um, I think it's, yeah.
00:58:09.894 --> 00:58:11.304
Yeah, that's right.
00:58:11.304 --> 00:58:12.144
An outcome goal.
00:58:12.414 --> 00:58:13.704
I think it's so interesting.
00:58:13.704 --> 00:58:19.675
You know what you'll, what you'll learn from Robbie and I, and I think it's funny that we're just on the same page on a lot of this stuff.
00:58:20.094 --> 00:58:31.315
Um, you can listen to some stuff on whatever you want to, you know, what podcasts or who knows Instagram stuff or YouTube.
00:58:31.315 --> 00:58:35.755
It's like, you know, all this motivational stuff that's like, you know.
00:58:36.429 --> 00:58:42.519
You gotta put your goals on your lock screen on your phone, or you gotta write'em on your mirror and you gotta, you know, positive.
00:58:42.849 --> 00:58:46.300
I mean, yeah, all that stuff's relevant to some people too.
00:58:46.329 --> 00:58:49.389
You know, like, again, I've never really had to do any of that stuff.
00:58:49.389 --> 00:58:53.710
And, um, and some of you would go like, yeah, that, that wouldn't work for me.
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.079
And other people would go, no, I have to do all that.
00:58:56.230 --> 00:58:57.670
Otherwise I would never achieve a goal.
00:58:57.670 --> 00:58:58.989
And that's all of it's fine.
00:58:58.989 --> 00:59:01.420
And every part along the spectrum is good.
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:04.300
So don't let anybody tell you what's right and wrong there.
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:06.824
You know, thyself thy best.
00:59:07.344 --> 00:59:09.474
And that you're gonna be your own best guide.
00:59:09.474 --> 00:59:10.824
We've always said that here.
00:59:11.335 --> 00:59:13.195
We're not telling you what you did, what to do.
00:59:13.224 --> 00:59:16.195
We're helping you help yourself along the path.
00:59:16.255 --> 00:59:17.454
That's our ultimate goal.
00:59:17.454 --> 00:59:18.625
At least that's what we're trying to do.
00:59:19.315 --> 00:59:21.474
And we thank you for tuning into the show.
00:59:21.474 --> 00:59:23.815
If you wanna support the show again, find us on Sub Stack.
00:59:23.815 --> 00:59:25.195
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00:59:25.244 --> 00:59:30.675
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00:59:30.945 --> 00:59:33.704
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00:59:33.974 --> 00:59:45.824
Um, and the really the biggest thing you can do to support this show if you want to keep, keep Rob and I motivated and excited is really just share it with people.
00:59:45.945 --> 00:59:48.764
I mean, that would be the most powerful thing you could do for us.
00:59:48.764 --> 00:59:49.635
It's just share.
00:59:49.844 --> 00:59:56.894
Yeah, tell your friends, put it on your Facebook or your Insta whatever, and your stories and whatever stuff you've got out there.
00:59:57.315 --> 00:59:57.675
Um.
00:59:57.974 --> 01:00:00.914
That's the most powerful way for people to find us.
01:00:00.945 --> 01:00:02.925
'cause you know, we're not marketers.
01:00:03.195 --> 01:00:05.655
We're just a couple of guys trying to help people play better golf.
01:00:05.744 --> 01:00:07.275
Anything you'd like to add here at the end?
01:00:07.275 --> 01:00:07.875
Rob, that's it.
01:00:08.264 --> 01:00:14.385
Alright people, we'll be back next time and we're gonna talk a little bit more about skills on the next episode.
01:00:14.385 --> 01:00:15.885
So don't worry.
01:00:15.885 --> 01:00:18.644
We're gonna bring the heat with some skills.
01:00:19.454 --> 01:00:20.414
Tune in next time.
01:00:20.565 --> 01:00:20.864
Thank you.
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See you soon.
