March 24, 2026

EP 55: Golf Improvement Theory Part 3, The SWING. What A Golfer Should be Focusing On.

EP 55: Golf Improvement Theory Part 3, The SWING. What A Golfer Should be Focusing On.

Send us Fan Mail Golfers obsess over swing positions—but that’s not what creates consistency. Learn how energy, timing, and skill development build a golf swing you can trust and perform with. ⛳ Episode Show NotesIn this episode of The Golf Intervention Podcast, we break down one of the most misunderstood topics in golf: the golf swing. Most golfers spend their time chasing positions—trying to make their swing look right. But the reality is, great golf isn’t built on perfect positions. It’s b...

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Golfers obsess over swing positions—but that’s not what creates consistency. Learn how energy, timing, and skill development build a golf swing you can trust and perform with.

⛳ Episode Show Notes

In this episode of The Golf Intervention Podcast, we break down one of the most misunderstood topics in golf: the golf swing.

Most golfers spend their time chasing positions—trying to make their swing look right. But the reality is, great golf isn’t built on perfect positions. It’s built on a system of energy, timing, and geometry that allows you to access skill and perform under pressure.

As part of our Golf Improvement Theory series, we connect the swing to the bigger picture—strategy and skill—and explain why focusing only on mechanics can actually hold you back.

🔑 What You’ll Learn in This Episode

  •  Why golfers overvalue swing positions and visuals 
  •  The difference between swing (macro) and skill (micro)
  •  The 3 true priorities of the golf swing: 
    •  Staying injury-free
    •  Creating efficient energy (clubhead speed)
    •  Allowing access to skill variability
  •  Why the golf swing does NOT directly control outcomes
  •  How poor practice habits lead to the “hamster wheel” of swing tips 
  •  The importance of rhythm and timing in consistent ball striking 
  •  Why consistency of rhythm is a universal trait of great players 
  •  How to build a swing that creates trust, freedom, and adaptability

🧠 Key Concepts from the Episode

1. Swing vs. Skill

  •  The swing is the macro movement (what you see) 
  •  Skill is the micro moment at impact (what actually matters) 
  •  Good shots ≠ “good swing” 
  •  Bad shots ≠ “bad swing” 

2. The Real Job of the Golf Swing

Your swing should:

  •  Keep you healthy 
  •  Produce efficient energy 
  •  Give you access to shot-making skills 

➡️ It should support performance—not control it

3. Energy, Timing, and Geometry

  • Energy → How force is created and transferred 
  • Timing (Tempo & Rhythm) → When energy is applied 
  • Geometry → The structure of the swing (positions) 

👉 Most golfers over-focus on geometry and ignore the other two.

4. Rhythm Is a Game-Changer

  •  Great players have consistent rhythm, not identical swings 
  •  Full swing rhythm ≈ 3:1 (backswing to downswing) 
  •  Short game rhythm ≈ 2:1 
  •  Consistent rhythm = more consistent skill access 

5. Why Swing Tips Don’t Work Long-Term

  •  One-shot feedback leads to bad conclusions 
  •  Constant swing changes destroy trust 
  •  Golfers chase “fixes” instead of understanding patterns 

6. The Goal: Trust & Freedom

The ultimate goal of your swing is:

  •  To trust it under pressure 
  •  To play without constant swing thoughts 
  •  To access skills naturally 

⚠️ Big Mistakes Golfers Make

  •  Thinking every bad shot = bad swing 
  •  Searching for the “perfect” swing model 
  •  Believing “you must do this” type instruction 
  •  Jumping from tip to tip without a plan 
  •  Ignoring strategy and skill development 

💡 Practical Takeaways

  •  Focus on rhythm and timing first
  •  Build a swing that allows shot variability
  •  Don’t jud
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And welcome back in to the Golf Intervention Podcast.

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Sitting here with my co-host, Rob Fails.

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We're discussing Cam Young's big win at the Championship today.

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Actually, we were not discussing that at all, but we

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Not a single word was uttered about that, but

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I tried, like

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we, we could discuss it.

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Congrats to Cam Young.

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I like Cam Young.

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Glad he won.

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I didn't really watch it.

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I wish I would've watched

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So funny.

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I was, I was interning at Sleepy Hollow, when he was a junior.

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Right.

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So I got to play a decent amount of golf with him at Sleepy Hollow with his dad.

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And just to see him where he is at now is, is amazing.

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so.

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Cool.

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And if you didn't know listener, his father was maybe still is the director of golf at Sleepy Hollow, which is one of the cool, cool places

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Awesome spot.

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Yes.

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Mm-hmm.

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yeah.

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In New York.

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And yeah, cam grew up there But that's cool that you got to play with him.

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So yeah, we should have talked about it.

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I guess we did just

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Yep.

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it.

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That was it.

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to Cam Young on winning the players, so on today's episode, you're gonna discuss the golf swing.

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So in this series that we're doing, which you can go back to the last couple episodes and check it out, it's on Golf improvement theory, I think is

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Yep,

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of the series.

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And on episode one, we went through the strategy On episode two, we went through, the skill, which is a great episode.

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And we talked about swing a lot in the skill

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we did.

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Because you have to understand and be able to delineate one

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Yep.

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to kind of understand what point we're trying to make.

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And although this is not our message solely, I feel like at times we're a little bit of a voice in the wilderness when it comes to

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A hundred percent, yes.

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golfers just, they think about swing all day every day and they correlate swing to.

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Everything that's happening.

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Good shot, good swing, bad shot, bad swing, right?

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Correct.

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good score, good swing day, bad score, bad swing day.

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You know?

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And it's just strategy and skill don't matter in that sense, right?

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It just never comes to the forefront.

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And so I think what this, this podcast we've been harping on this episode after episode, there are way easier and less intrusive ways to improve your game and or understand that they are separate things

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Yes.

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Okay.

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That's probably the bigger story.

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golf swing just tends to bombard us, you know?

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And it's because.

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Everything we see.

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You know, you listen to the players and they talk

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Mm-hmm.

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Well, what did he do with that swing, Johnny?

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Or what was wrong with Scotty's swing when he hit it in the water?

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You know,

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Yes.

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is, everything is swing.

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Couldn't be bad.

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Strategy.

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Couldn't be a less skillful moment from Scotty.

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No, it was a bad swing from Scotty.

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Right?

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And you opened your social media.

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Swing, swing, swing, swing.

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Do this with your swing.

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Do that with your swing.

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This is a good swing.

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This swing should look like this.

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You should do that with your swing.

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Everyone should have the same swing.

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No one should have the same swing.

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Swing, swing, swing.

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You know?

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So it's tv, it's your magazines, it's your social media.

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It's your thoughts.

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It's what your friends talk about, maybe even your golf coach.

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Okay?

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I think that when we discuss swing.

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We're gonna try to discuss it in a way so that the listener can sort through and you as golfers, you are our target audience right now.

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Okay?

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We're not really speaking to and all this, like today is golfer day, right?

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And want you to know that there'll be things unsaid today, and there'll be things that we'll say are that relevant that you may think are relevant.

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We don't want to offend you there, but what we're trying to do is give you that addition by subtraction thing keep you focused on what actually are the core principles of golf swing, and try to keep you away from being distracted by things that just seem to be making you spin on the hamster wheel, right when it comes to swing stuff.

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if you understand that everything gets better.

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more confident on the golf course, your practice gets more efficient and your strategy gets better and your skill improves when you can really understand how it all fits together.

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And so hopefully today we'll go through some core tenets of golf swing and be able to give you just some basic understanding of how

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Yep.

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And, um, yeah, that's all I have to say

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Yeah.

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think this will get

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We were talking earlier about how we're gonna attack this.

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So we're going to, we're gonna take a two-pronged approach here.

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I'm gonna just quickly just get right into it.

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Like what are the, the three to four priorities when we're looking at swing?

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And then for a lot of the rest of the episode is gonna be, here's what you don't need to be worrying about.

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Kind of a,, myth busting, kind of however long we take.

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This just might be a, a Robin Eric rant for 45 minutes, and that's okay., But we think it's a very valuable, exercise and, and starting to learn, hey, how to look at this maybe a little bit differently.

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So what are the priorities of swing?

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What are the things that we are looking at?

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The number one priority of the swing is to keep you safe, to allow you to play golf.

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If your, if your general motion right, we say skill is micro, swing is macro.

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The swing is what you can see from 300 yards away.

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You know who that is on the other side of the range based off of how they're swinging the golf club, right?

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The shot, what the ball did is dependent on the skill, which is the micro, that's the stuff that is determined in the one 2000th of a second of impact, right?

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So the macro, the swing number one priority is to keep you playing golf.

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That's gonna be, again, a little bit of a hot take, right?

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Maybe for some of y'all, maybe, right, this is preaching to the choir.

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But if your general motion is constantly hurting you, then you need to change your swing a hundred percent.

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Like.

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Without a shadow of doubt, unless it's you're playing for millions of dollars and your runway is very short and it's not hurting you that bad.

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Like you can still go out and play.

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You can tolerate it.

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You have strategies in place before and after the round to handle that pain.

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Right?

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So there again, there's that cost benefit analysis that we've talked about a lot throughout this podcast.

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It's like, for some people changing their swing, the cost of changing their swing at that point, like they're the top, you know, they're, they're the end of level four golfers.

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They're playing for millions of dollars.

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The cost of changing their swing at that point is too great.

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They would rather invest the time before and after the round and in between tournaments in rehabbing their body, making sure that, hey, this stuff is, is, it might be getting worse, but it's, it's getting worse at a reduced rate.

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And then cash the checks, right.

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Enjoy your retirement, right?

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And then, who are we to say that's the wrong way to go about it?

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But most of who we're talking about here are level one, two, and three golfers, not end of level four golfers.

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And we firmly believe that preventing injury as best as we can, and again, it's tricky, it's very, a very tricky conversation, right?

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Is our, is our number one due diligence, right?

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So we're gonna set that aside.

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The second priority of swing is efficiency, right?

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So, and yet I could probably argue like second and third priorities can be flip flopped depending on the level of golfer you are.

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But really the, the, the second and third is gonna be so efficiency.

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Like, hey, for how much work you're putting in, how much are you getting out of it?

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Right?

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And if we're looking at the skills, like probably club head speed would be the closest comp to that, like.

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Is the general motion, the the general pattern that you are moving with creating enough club head speed for you to play, and then it's also like, can I make the swing more efficient to get more club head speed so that I can play better?

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That kind of goes into that category as well, right?

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So again, that's technically a skill, right?

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It's allowing for a skill.

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And we're gonna talk about throughout a lot of this, the episode, the swing allows for skills.

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It doesn't determine skills, okay?

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And then the last, the last priority of swing is to be effective enough, functional enough to, again, I'm saying this again, allowing you to be skillful, which means you have access to.

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The, the, basically the, the ranges of the spectrum of arc location up and down and away from you and towards you.

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So heel and toe, right?

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So you have access to, to the ends of those spectrums, meaning like you can hit the heel and the toe, you can hit high on the face and low on the face.

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Right.

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You have access to both ends of the spectrum on face to path.

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Right.

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You ha you can have a ball curbing left, have a ball curbing.

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Right?

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Right.

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You can, right.

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And then we'll, we, we will maybe get into a little bit of on, on start line and like, Hey, what shot shape am I hitting?

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That's not what I'm talking about.

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Like, hey.

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Does your swing allow you to access both ends of the face to path spectrum?

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Again, that face to path number that you're gonna see on track man, it's just, again, it's just the twisting of the shaft.

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So if you can think of the, the club shaft in general and just spinning it back and forth, you're gonna see that face change relative to the shaft that's going to, it is gonna change the start direction for sure, but it's from a field perspective, most closely correlated to the curve of the golf ball.

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Right?

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So can you hit it straightish?

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Can you curve it right?

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Can you curve it left?

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Does your swing allow for that?

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And I would say like, is it neutral ish enough to where the ball can kind of start within your dispersion and stay inside your dispersion?

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Meaning like it's not so extreme with a club path going, you know, left or right or bottom of the swing being too far behind the ball or too far ahead the ball to where.

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Right.

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Again, it's not allowing you to be skillful for driver all the way down through wedge.

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Right?

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And that's pretty much it, so it's,, can I keep myself safe?

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Can I create and manage clubhead speed efficiently?

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And then do I have access to my skills?

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Right?

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Arc, location, face the path.

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And then club at speed would be the third skill.

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But we're kind of lumping that into efficiency.

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Exactly.

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You didn't say a lot of things that I see on Instagram, though.

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I there aren't there magic lines that Michael Club has

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Oh yeah.

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No, you gotta get, you gotta be slotted, Eric.

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Oh, I gotta be slotted.

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I can't rotate the face.

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That's another one.

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Face can't rotate.

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Has to, has to have no rotation.

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I'm just teasing you.

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So those, that was a great, I think that if people listen to what you just said there.

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Those are some absolute truths to go to good golfers, your access to skill is that thing that I think I harp on a lot with my students.

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It's very hard for you to do the thing that you're trying to do with what you're trying to

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Yes.

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with what you are doing.

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And I feel like, you know, we work on swing so much as golf instructors because we're the experts there, right?

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Yeah.

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able to get in there I think that when someone doesn't have access to the skill that they need, let's say it's a bottom of the A thing, right?

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And you describe this in great detail in the last episode very, very well.

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So if, if we're, we're kind of glancing over this in a

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Mm-hmm.

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of on purpose,'cause I don't wanna, I don't wanna harp on skill on the

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Right.

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Yeah.

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so, but one of the thing I, I think I mentioned, but I'll mention again, is.

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When that changes with a, with a change to the swing, it can be so dramatic.

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You can literally not be skillful in the moment and just completely miss it.

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Right?

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You can top it and thin it, and if the, if the golf instructor understands, and you have a good product like TrackMan helping you measure some of the parameters that you're looking at, you could go, no, no, no, that was better.

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That was better.

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Just hang with me a minute.

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We're gonna keep working on this swing and you're gonna get skillful in a moment., Hopefully.

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And if not, we'll figure something out.

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That's, you know, we have options here, but that's how it typically works on our own.

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When we're practicing and we're constantly like, oh, here's a swing tip and here's a swing tip, and that's a swing tip, and I gotta try this.

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And I saw this on YouTube, all of a sudden you just keep, you're spinning the hamster wheel, right?

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Because if it doesn't work into swings, you have, you don't have feedback.

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A lot of times they just go, oh, that was a bad shot, so it must have been a bad swing, and now I'm gonna be onto the next, a

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Right.

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It's all, it's all subjective, just good or bad, as opposed to being a little bit more objective and targeted to what's relevant.

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So I don't wanna get too, too off on a tangent there, but I I, I did like what you said there and the whole first do no harm to your body is a story that I don't thinkers think that much about until they get hurt.

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Right.

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And so did see this week, I don't know if you saw this, the clickbait stuff is just so crazy to me.

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The rage debate.

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Yeah.

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Morikawa, hurt his back.

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I don't know if it was in the first round.

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Did you see

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Mm-hmm.

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No.

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He had to withdraw he basically said like, I, I've never had a back injury before.

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I took a swing.

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And it just felt really bad.

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And then I knew I had to withdraw.

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It was like that

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Hmm.

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And you know, he just won a couple weeks ago.

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Right.

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So he's playing great.

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And

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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the crown jewel, the PGA tour season.

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So.

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article says this, this is the title of the article and I got sucked into it.

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'cause I had to, I had to click on this one.

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It said, is TGL hurting Players' Backs or something like that leading to back injuries is TGL leading to back

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Interesting.

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And I'm

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Oh my gosh.

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What?

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I click on it and it

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the,

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I guess a couple of,

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league.

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we go with players are having bad back that play in the TGL, right?

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And so, and then they're like, but we interviewed this back specialist.

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And they said no, it would have nothing to do with it.

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Because I'm like, why would you even write the article if you're just gonna say like, no, we asked somebody in there.

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But you know, that's just the way it goes.

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Like, everything's about swing and click this, read this article and it's.

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You know, it sends you down these rabbit holes like, oh my gosh, indoor golf might ruin my back or something.

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I have no idea.

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point being, I got distracted there for a second, right?

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I clicked the button and read it.

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So being healthy a huge deal.

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and efficiency in the swing a lot of times do go together, in my opinion.

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Right?

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If you're

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Agreed.

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moving

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Yes.

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and you're moving in a way that's, that, that is healthy and efficient, you're gonna be, you're gonna be okay, right?

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That

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Yep.

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you're probably moving the joints that need to move well and

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Yep.

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joints in the right ways and creating a good efficient motion.

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so that's huge.

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Right?

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And I, I've talked about efficiency with my students.

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Before I knew anything about golf instruction, but I knew it had to be, it had to be efficient in some way, shape, or form.

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And that that was a picture that people needed to have in their mind for what they were trying to work towards.

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And.

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so I like, I like the way that you described those.

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And again, there are pieces of golf swing we didn't, we didn't mention you know, it, what is the perfect model swing?

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Like, Eric, what is my back swing supposed to do?

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Or what is my elbow supposed to do?

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Or what is my sequence supposed to be like?

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And I think that you can try to answer those questions, but because the answer is always, well, it depends, then it's really not worth answering.

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You know what I mean?

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Yes,

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can't a, you can't answer in absolutes if you're being honest.

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Yes.

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Yep.

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there's some people being called held.

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Okay.

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So I'm trying not to get too far down the rabbit hole, but, there's a thing called the kinematics sequence, right?

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Which is, basically like what order your body parts are accelerating and decelerating it, right?

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And I should say segments, but you know, there's, there's TPI that's like, it has to be, has to be, it's how they say it, right?

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Pelvis, torso, arms club.

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It's like this, this 4, 3, 2, 1.

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See, it has to be, that's the most efficient.

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That's the, if you measure PGA tour players, like half of them aren't in that sequence.

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Somewhere around half, at least the stats I've seen, right?

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I don't know what you've seen somewhere around half.

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so how can that be the right answer?

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I mean, it might be the most efficient it could be, but also maybe for a lot of people being most skillful.

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Isn't that right?

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I don't actually know the answer.

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I'm just saying this is what, this is what the data says, right?

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So if, if many are not, I don't know if half is right.

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I've seen some conflicting things.

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Not that I measure tour players.

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I don't.

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Have you seen any stats on this?

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Have you

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I don't know the percentages, but yeah, I know like one, one being pelvis, two being torso, three being arm four being club.

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There are quite a few, 1, 2, 3 fours for sure.

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But then there's also like a staggering number of 1 3, 2 fours as well.

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Correct,

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so it's, again, it's like we're looking probably in the wrong place now.

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What I will say is like, hey, like if, if you have a bay that's got the, the technology to be able to measure this stuff, then when players are playing their best, and this is what we're gonna talk about here in a little bit.

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We believe the general consistency of rhythm is a big deal.

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Like how much is the rhythm changing from shot to shot?

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So totally like go measure your sequence when you're playing really well and when you're not, go hook yourself back up and see if you see any huge changes.

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A hundred percent definitely, offer stuff like that for sure.

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But.

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Where we gotta be careful is like attributing it directly to skill.

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It's like, oh, if your club face tends to be two degrees close to the path, let's take a look at your kinematic sequence, right?

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And try to find

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Right,

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difference in two degrees of face.

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You're not gonna find it like you can convince yourself that you found it, but there's just, it's two degrees is way too small.

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The, the amount of time and space this golf club is swinging through the, the amount of things that can actually create a a two degree difference is, is infinite.

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You can't possibly attribute it to a swing.

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A macro thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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Correct.

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It's discounting the things that we know really are controlling that

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Yep.

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which is

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Yes.

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right.

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And then our influence of that through swing.

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And so being able to produce shots,'cause that was the other part that you said there., Am I able to produce the skill, I should say, not the shots, but the skill, which is, you know, creating

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Yeah, exactly.

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Do I have access to that?

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you know, I had a, I had a gentleman come in for a club fitting the other day and with what he was doing with the swing.

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Now this was not a lesson, this was a club

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Yeah.

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But what, what he was doing with the swing, he currently didn't have access to being able to hit the ball high or hit the ball with any ball flight other than curving to the right.

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Right.

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That was it.

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And so I was explaining to him in the fitting, you, you know, what you're doing with your swing is creating a low.

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Cutting to the right or you know, curving

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Bias.

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Yeah.

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which is a, which is kind of a hard thing to fit with really,

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Yeah.

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We're trying to work through that.

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And so, you know, I had to give him a picture on why his swing was creating those biases, right?

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And said, I'm gonna fit you in a way that I feel like you can your best shots now, but also grow with these clubs if your swing does improve.

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Right?

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So trying to fit the range of outcomes.

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So there are just times that you cannot like, and that's where I wonder about practice with folks that when they quote unquote go to practice their swing, and there's been a lot of discussion about this this week on social media, like is hitting balls on the range for most people?

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Anything more than just quote unquote a waste of time?

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I don't, I don't believe that, by the way.

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I'm not one that thinks it's a waste of time at all.

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I think if you're putting the time in to.

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Trying to get better.

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That's a huge deal.

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Right?

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And so I would never discount that.

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I do think that there's probably more efficient ways to work on

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Yes,

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less efficient ways to

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absolutely.

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But it's not a waste of time.

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Just be, that's the thing that like sometimes golf instructors can be so, can be so arrogant in that way.

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Oh, they just don't know.

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They don't know the answers.

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They don't know how

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Yeah.

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They're just wasting their time.

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I'm like, no.

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I mean, I went in the backyard and didn't know how to shoot a basketball and I just spent time with myself and got better at it.

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And the skill of shooting a basketball, let's be honest, is way easier than hitting a golf

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Yep.

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But point being I wasn't being coached and it probably wasn't that efficient, but I got better at it.

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Right?

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And so there is stuff to not be discounted there, but at the end of the day, if I'm putting time in.

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And I'm just swinging the way.

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I'm always swinging and hoping for a different outcome.

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I may not have the swing that can bias the shots that I'm trying to see.

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So then I'm just, then I'm beating my head

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I'm accepting of that and trying to practice, in a way to create my best dispersion pattern and understand it.

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I need to practice in a way to improve my swing, to create a new skillset.

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And I think that's where people get lost in that last, in that second little piece.

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And that's where we as golf instructors, you and I come in.

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'cause we should be able to be the consultant there and say, let me step into that space with you and say, here are the things that I think can help you create the skill that you're looking for.

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And we need to figure out a plan for it and a way to practice it and a way to understand it so that you can

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I think the key there, the key there is that you're doing something to change a bias, right?

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And then by definite, like, that bias is going to be playing out over a long period of time.

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So when golfers get into trouble is they are looking for a swing.

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That is going to guarantee an avoidance of the outcomes and the skills and the right, the performance that they aren't willing to accept, right?

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So it's like, I just took this lesson.

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What did I leave my coach with?

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Did I leave my coach with the idea that this is what I should do and this is what good players do?

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And if I continue to drill this and drill this and drill this, I'm gonna avoid hitting this X shot ever again.

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Or, it's going to just make my scores improve and just have it be a very generic, a, a very non-specific type of outcome.

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Like, oh, just do this and you'll get better.

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Like, no, hold on.

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So if I'm gonna change swing to change a bias, then I'm gonna make sure that the player understands what that bias is and how to assess it in practice and.

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You can't assume just based off of like, Hey, you maybe did the swing stuff, right?

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But if one outcome wasn't the bias that you were looking, if the, okay, let's, let's give this like a tangible example.

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Let's say that someone has a, very open face to path, right?

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And they're gripping it way up in the palm of their lead hand.

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They're trail hands going right through the palm and they're just spinning that thing wide open, going back and like they could work skill with that and maybe on a shot get the face close to the path.

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But over the course of an entire year of doing that, they're gonna average maybe say like three to four degrees open relative to the path for an entire year.

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Right?

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Let's just, we're just throwing out numbers here.

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So they come and see us golf intervention and we say, alright, well let's first make sure you're aware of the thing that's causing the ball to go to the right.

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So we're not gonna, even though we know that we're gonna change the grip, we're not gonna change the grip right away.

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Hey, can you explore the face relative to the path to see, that's the thing that's.

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Causing the shots to go where we want.

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Yeah.

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And sometimes when we do skill, I've actually seen where people will change their grips once they are aware of the skill and they're aware of what they're trying to do with the skill, which is very interesting.

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But let's just say they don't change the grip.

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'cause that's totally possible too.

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And through doing that skill training the right side of the spectrum, the open face into the spectrum is so easy for them to manage.

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Like yeah, like I ask them to open the face path, watch this coach.

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No problem.

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I ask them to close the face of the path.

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Like, oh wait, no, we're here for like five, 10 minutes trying to, trying to just create one where it's close the path.

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All right.

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So now we're gonna say, all right, let's explore this different grip and see if it makes closing the face the path easier for you.

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And we continue with that same skill training with the new grip, and all of a sudden, oh wait, they can do it.

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And that's where it's like, Hey, this new technique, this new swing thing is helping make that skill easier.

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Here's the problem though, and here's what we gotta get our golfers to understand.

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Too many people will leave that lesson saying, and and we will tell them literally verbatim, exactly what I just told them, but they will still leave believing this is what I should do and this is gonna mean I'm gonna hit good golf shots on the golf course.

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And again, you might, but that's not like the swing thing that we did isn't quote unquote correct.

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It's not, it's just different.

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That's gonna bias the skill differently, right?

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So when they go out on the range on their own, they hit one shot.

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Like they, let's say, Hey, I did a great job with my grip.

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I am holding it exactly the way I want.

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They go up to the shot, they make a swing, and guess what?

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The ball curves are the right with their new grip.

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They, the one that they just did, they just, they improved.

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They knew that they, they held it well and the ball still curves are the right And what do they say?

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Oh, wait, what?

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That must be wrong then.

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Hold on.

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I, I thought this grip was supposed to not do that.

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This must be wrong.

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Like, no, no.

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Why did, why

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That's what exactly what we're talking about.

00:26:33.734 --> 00:26:34.035
Like,

00:26:34.250 --> 00:26:34.430
why

00:26:34.515 --> 00:26:35.265
exactly.

00:26:35.384 --> 00:26:38.474
So what we're saying is like, just let it play out.

00:26:38.654 --> 00:26:44.144
If you're still seeing the bias, don't even, then don't assume that your swing is incorrect.

00:26:44.144 --> 00:26:45.615
Go back into your skill training.

00:26:45.644 --> 00:26:51.525
The, your differential training that we do, um, see if then that becomes a little bit easier for you.

00:26:51.525 --> 00:26:56.355
And then retest and see what happens over the course of maybe 20 shots across different clubs.

00:26:56.355 --> 00:26:59.535
And then you're not worried about, sorry for that golfer.

00:26:59.535 --> 00:27:03.944
You're not worried about the arc location where you're hitting it on the face high or low or heel toe.

00:27:04.275 --> 00:27:08.115
You're not worried about the distance the ball's going, which is clubhead speed related.

00:27:09.255 --> 00:27:11.144
Um, other things related to that.

00:27:11.144 --> 00:27:13.694
But you will, you get my, the idea.

00:27:14.234 --> 00:27:16.934
You what's, you're, what's you're diagnosing is the curve of the golf ball.

00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:17.970
That's it.

00:27:18.150 --> 00:27:18.960
That's literally it.

00:27:19.019 --> 00:27:20.759
You're diagnosing the curve of the golf ball.

00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:21.779
Right.

00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:25.259
And if the ball was straightish, then great.

00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:27.000
If it curved to the left, great.

00:27:27.269 --> 00:27:28.619
If it curved to the right, great.

00:27:28.829 --> 00:27:31.529
But okay, if it's one shot to the right, that's one thing.

00:27:31.529 --> 00:27:33.869
If it's two still, we're not doing anything.

00:27:33.869 --> 00:27:45.299
If it's three in a row, four in a row, then you know like, Hey, I either need a calibrate skill, or I do need to just double check and say, Hey, am I actually doing the swing thing that my coach wanted me to do correctly?

00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:47.400
But again, we're not doing that based off of just one shot.

00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:56.369
We're doing that based off of the bias, the like the more the pattern, the long term data that you're kind of collecting as it relates to that one element of the skill.

00:27:58.684 --> 00:27:59.134
Yeah.

00:27:59.224 --> 00:28:08.585
And I think that's the, that's the patience that's required to create the skill and the belief in the, and the belief in the

00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:08.910
Yeah.

00:28:09.005 --> 00:28:10.055
to do it right.

00:28:10.325 --> 00:28:14.795
So I think that when it comes to swing, we're gonna talk about some swing stuff.

00:28:14.795 --> 00:28:15.305
We are.

00:28:16.505 --> 00:28:24.904
But I think that the big truth though, that I would love my students always to think about, is that your goal with your golf swing.

00:28:25.339 --> 00:28:39.440
Is to create complete freedom and trust with a swing that, you know, you can have access to the skills that you need to create the shots that you want to create, to play and enjoy the game in a, in a injury free way.

00:28:39.529 --> 00:28:39.710
Right?

00:28:39.710 --> 00:28:41.089
Like, that's the whole summary.

00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:41.599
Right.

00:28:42.829 --> 00:28:52.130
And I think, think avid golfers have a really hard time getting to the trust and freedom part, right?

00:28:52.130 --> 00:29:05.269
And that's, I think that's what we're talking about here, is we guide you to that in a way where you can just believe in yourself, just believe in yourself a little bit to be able to trust that you can do it right.

00:29:05.269 --> 00:29:12.079
I, I gotta, I gotta be doing some things that can do it, but then I gotta build the belief and trust that I can just let it go and have it happen.

00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.259
have a really hard time getting to that point, right?

00:29:15.259 --> 00:29:21.890
Because they, they just to your, what you were just saying is like, once one goes wrong in their mind it's, what did I do?

00:29:22.700 --> 00:29:23.630
Why didn't that work?

00:29:23.869 --> 00:29:26.539
And then I'm back to square one with, what was that tip?

00:29:26.569 --> 00:29:27.589
What did that guy say?

00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:41.420
You know, we were joking before we got on here, and I said, a lot of times I get these texts from usually not my students, it's usually like friends who play golf or you know, maybe, um, family members or whatever.

00:29:41.420 --> 00:29:44.180
And it's always like, Hey, should I try this thing?

00:29:44.180 --> 00:29:49.250
And it's like a, like a Instagram tip or something, and I'm like, I have no idea what you should try.

00:29:49.369 --> 00:29:49.549
Right?

00:29:49.549 --> 00:29:53.509
Like, I don't know, like maybe, probably not, I'm not really sure.

00:29:54.259 --> 00:29:59.930
And this, that's just that cycle of distrust that keeps bubbling up with golfers.

00:29:59.934 --> 00:30:07.849
Like, I always wanna do better, but they never get to that place where they lean into what they're doing with their, with their swing to develop the skill.

00:30:08.150 --> 00:30:11.359
So that's what I think it, like, you gotta lean in at times.

00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:17.299
And sometimes I'll say to my students, I'll say, Hey, we're in this place right now where I don't want you trying to find the next thing.

00:30:17.704 --> 00:30:25.535
Okay, from a swing standpoint, whatever, I want you to lean into what you're doing right now and just build faith and trust in your routine and in your process.

00:30:25.535 --> 00:30:26.424
And, to really hone in.

00:30:26.424 --> 00:30:37.464
I had junior, I had a junior golfer who's,, entering the season and, but that's all we've been talking about for like three weeks because he's worked so hard on what he's done and it's really coming together an incredible way.

00:30:37.464 --> 00:30:39.375
And I'm, and he's really wants to be good.

00:30:39.375 --> 00:30:41.204
So he keeps wanting to find the next thing.

00:30:41.204 --> 00:30:41.625
'cause that's his

00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:42.130
Yeah.

00:30:42.345 --> 00:30:44.954
And I'm like, just lean into it right now.

00:30:44.954 --> 00:30:47.924
Let's just lean into it and kind of just stay where we are.

00:30:47.924 --> 00:30:48.285
Stay the

00:30:48.384 --> 00:30:49.224
See what happens, right?

00:30:49.335 --> 00:30:50.805
and, um, let's see what happens.

00:30:50.805 --> 00:30:51.375
Just try to build

00:30:51.625 --> 00:30:51.984
Yeah.

00:30:52.424 --> 00:30:54.345
at some point we gotta build trust, right?

00:30:54.345 --> 00:30:58.125
And, and believe in what we're doing without trying to constantly be changing things.

00:30:58.285 --> 00:31:01.704
And I'd say like, I, I like the idea of trust.

00:31:01.704 --> 00:31:10.494
I would, I would also say like a frame, like a framework, basically, like how you're looking at, how you're interpreting what you're experiencing on a golf course.

00:31:10.494 --> 00:31:16.615
'cause no one, no one gets to decide whether or not they experience outcomes that they don't prefer.

00:31:17.515 --> 00:31:19.704
Every single round of golf, you're gonna have

00:31:19.710 --> 00:31:19.980
Right.

00:31:20.005 --> 00:31:25.795
plenty of information that could tell you that your swing sucks.

00:31:26.694 --> 00:31:29.365
Every golfer, every single golfer is going to be,

00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:30.000
percent.

00:31:30.174 --> 00:31:35.484
be given information in a round of golf from tee to green that could tell you that your swing is garbage.

00:31:36.085 --> 00:31:40.285
And we're here to tell you that you cannot jump to that assumption right away.

00:31:40.704 --> 00:31:41.845
There is strategy.

00:31:42.849 --> 00:31:45.970
There is skill and then there is swing.

00:31:45.970 --> 00:31:56.170
And, but then even within swing, right, there are things that we might, we might discuss here on this podcast that aren't the, the obvious.

00:31:56.170 --> 00:31:58.569
Like, Hey, where is my left arm at the top?

00:31:58.569 --> 00:32:00.730
Where is my, what is my right shoulder doing?

00:32:00.730 --> 00:32:01.930
What is my left hip doing?

00:32:01.930 --> 00:32:05.380
Like the geometry of the swing and the positions of the golf swing.

00:32:05.380 --> 00:32:06.789
Like you can't even blame.

00:32:06.819 --> 00:32:09.880
Like you probably shouldn't be blaming that first either.

00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:19.609
Even, let's say you've gone all the way to swing, we would probably say let's start with the rhythm of it first before even looking at the geometry of it.

00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:25.710
So there's just, again, I, strategy, skill, swing, and then what, even within swing, there's like.

00:32:26.220 --> 00:32:27.450
Energy and time.

00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:27.690
Right.

00:32:27.690 --> 00:32:32.069
Rhythm before we even ever get to the positions, right?

00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:32.490
Like

00:32:32.835 --> 00:32:33.184
Right,

00:32:33.269 --> 00:32:44.569
you're at a P four or P six, that's four things down the line that you need to be pretty well educated and have a framework of how to assess what's happening before you ever get into changing geometry.

00:32:44.569 --> 00:32:51.759
And I'm not saying I don't do that with clients, and I do, but it's certainly not the first, line of defense, if you will.

00:32:53.295 --> 00:32:54.164
No, it's not.

00:32:54.164 --> 00:32:55.904
So let's get, let's get into it a little bit.

00:32:55.904 --> 00:32:56.595
What do you think the

00:32:56.650 --> 00:32:57.849
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:32:58.035 --> 00:33:03.795
like swingy swing, and you talked about, um, you talked about rhythm.

00:33:05.230 --> 00:33:14.865
I, I work probably more on rhythm now than ever, you know, I would say in the last couple years with students especially, you know what's funny?

00:33:14.914 --> 00:33:17.134
The better the player is, the more I work on'em,

00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:18.029
A hundred percent.

00:33:18.035 --> 00:33:18.644
A hundred percent agree.

00:33:18.755 --> 00:33:18.964
as

00:33:19.144 --> 00:33:19.365
Yes.

00:33:20.045 --> 00:33:24.355
as they're moving up into level two, really level three

00:33:24.424 --> 00:33:24.755
Two to three.

00:33:24.755 --> 00:33:26.105
Yeah, it's a lot of that for sure.

00:33:27.309 --> 00:33:30.880
I, I'm, I'm fortunate as, as you know, I work with a lot of

00:33:31.055 --> 00:33:31.384
Yeah.

00:33:31.450 --> 00:33:35.660
golf game, an inordinate amount, but also like an inordinate amount of really good

00:33:35.744 --> 00:33:36.075
Yeah.

00:33:36.890 --> 00:33:51.819
So two of my better players I was working with this week, probably both in the one's probably plus two, one's probably like plus four or five handicap, like really good competitive, like USGA competitive type players on the amateur side.

00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:58.089
And one was a short game lesson, one was a full swing lesson and we worked on rhythm.

00:33:58.089 --> 00:34:01.029
And one, like, it was just, and it's the spring, right?

00:34:01.029 --> 00:34:09.219
So a lot of times, in this time of year in Virginia, especially coming out of a month with ice on the ground, it's the thing to be working home with a lot of people.

00:34:09.219 --> 00:34:14.550
They're hitting, they're hitting some, some weird shots and they're seeing some weird stuff and easy to go to.

00:34:15.704 --> 00:34:17.985
Who knows, like, oh my gosh, I'm chunking my

00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:18.610
Yeah.

00:34:18.644 --> 00:34:21.164
be, we, it's gotta be weight shift, it's gotta be this, gotta be that.

00:34:21.164 --> 00:34:23.505
And I'm like, it's so off.

00:34:23.565 --> 00:34:24.344
It's off rhythm.

00:34:24.610 --> 00:34:25.000
Yeah.

00:34:25.005 --> 00:34:25.394
off rhythm them.

00:34:25.425 --> 00:34:26.445
Let's just work on that.

00:34:26.445 --> 00:34:29.295
So we use Tour Tempo a lot with my students.

00:34:29.675 --> 00:34:30.514
I don't know how much you use

00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:31.139
Love it.

00:34:31.204 --> 00:34:31.295
your

00:34:31.469 --> 00:34:31.920
Yeah,

00:34:32.045 --> 00:34:32.315
I'm a

00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:32.969
yeah,

00:34:33.454 --> 00:34:33.934
Love it.

00:34:34.625 --> 00:34:45.125
Um, and that's an app that you can get and you kind of find your rhythm on the app for lack of a better, like, I guess there's a timing to the how it, how it beeps and you find, um, they have some ways that you, you

00:34:45.269 --> 00:34:45.690
yeah.

00:34:45.784 --> 00:34:49.054
one that works for you and, there's different ways to train with it.

00:34:49.170 --> 00:34:49.920
Yes, there are.

00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:51.599
Yeah.

00:34:51.664 --> 00:35:02.014
I had a, I had a really, really, really good player who was not, I mean, the, we were trying to hit 15 yard carry wide shots and it was, it was, yeah.

00:35:02.045 --> 00:35:03.275
It was like, he's like, it's

00:35:03.434 --> 00:35:03.855
Mm-hmm.

00:35:03.965 --> 00:35:06.394
okay, now we're playing on dormant Bermuda.

00:35:06.394 --> 00:35:06.994
Like, like I said, we

00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:07.409
Yeah.

00:35:07.409 --> 00:35:11.130
You're, you're, your short game areas there in the winter are dicey.

00:35:12.184 --> 00:35:12.994
Yeah, I mean, it's.

00:35:13.710 --> 00:35:14.219
Yeah.

00:35:14.405 --> 00:35:15.184
uh, yeah.

00:35:15.215 --> 00:35:23.105
So all I said was, I said I, we could have, we could have worked on a hundred geometrical things to be honest.

00:35:23.105 --> 00:35:25.175
Like you could look at, if you'd have slowed

00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:25.679
Yeah.

00:35:26.855 --> 00:35:31.775
and looked at it frame by frame, like you're talking about positionally, it would've looked off.

00:35:32.434 --> 00:35:33.664
We didn't talk about any of that,

00:35:33.989 --> 00:35:34.260
Yeah.

00:35:34.414 --> 00:35:34.864
right.

00:35:35.164 --> 00:35:40.835
We talked about getting the tension out and swinging on rhythm and get, got the tour tempo back in his practice.

00:35:40.835 --> 00:35:41.644
He texted me the next day.

00:35:41.644 --> 00:35:43.235
He is like, I just had the best practice session I've

00:35:43.295 --> 00:35:44.235
That's, that's awesome.

00:35:44.284 --> 00:35:45.215
just all, it was perfect.

00:35:45.664 --> 00:35:47.164
So that was just tour

00:35:47.375 --> 00:35:47.795
Mm-hmm.

00:35:47.795 --> 00:35:49.534
just like finding the right rhythm in a short

00:35:49.664 --> 00:35:49.954
Yeah.

00:35:50.105 --> 00:35:50.344
on it.

00:35:50.344 --> 00:35:52.324
And then there's some freedom of that too,

00:35:52.349 --> 00:35:53.039
Yes.

00:35:53.105 --> 00:36:01.414
trying to work on positions with, with, with rhythm, that's not working for him, it, I don't care what positions you work on,

00:36:01.710 --> 00:36:01.980
Yeah.

00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:06.170
So a hundred percent, and I, I just wanna say a lot of.

00:36:07.085 --> 00:36:08.914
The geometry.

00:36:08.914 --> 00:36:13.625
So we talk about swinging within energy, time, and geometry, like energy, time and geometry.

00:36:13.625 --> 00:36:14.764
Basically make up the swing, right?

00:36:14.764 --> 00:36:15.905
Those are our three main options.

00:36:16.355 --> 00:36:20.494
Geometry is very, very much shot dependent.

00:36:21.005 --> 00:36:29.454
If you're, if you're working on a geometry thing, like a position thing, the question you need to ask is for what shot, right?

00:36:29.485 --> 00:36:36.525
Because as soon as you change the shot, a bunch of geometry stuff probably should change, right?

00:36:36.525 --> 00:36:39.045
So, so we don't go there first.

00:36:39.045 --> 00:36:48.184
That's not really, and there are some geome geometric things like your grip, how you're holding it, the posture, how you're standing, that stuff is, is high, high up there for me.

00:36:48.215 --> 00:36:51.755
I will go geometry first when it comes to that stuff for sure.

00:36:52.264 --> 00:36:56.105
But you know, energy and time is more often than not kind of where we go.

00:36:56.135 --> 00:36:58.414
So within that like energy is also.

00:36:59.090 --> 00:37:03.050
There's kind of how you're applying energy, which is a big deal.

00:37:03.050 --> 00:37:05.059
And then there's how much you're applying energy.

00:37:05.900 --> 00:37:09.739
But then time is, is really broken up into tempo and, and rhythm.

00:37:10.010 --> 00:37:10.400
Right?

00:37:10.460 --> 00:37:15.800
And that's kind of what we talk a lot about is that's more of gonna be the constant, like energy's gonna

00:37:15.835 --> 00:37:16.764
Okay, so, so

00:37:16.940 --> 00:37:17.449
Yes.

00:37:17.875 --> 00:37:19.945
describe to the listener, we've done this a long

00:37:20.030 --> 00:37:21.139
No, I'm, yeah.

00:37:21.715 --> 00:37:22.735
brilliantly before.

00:37:23.184 --> 00:37:25.224
Please describe what the definition

00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:25.849
Yes.

00:37:25.849 --> 00:37:26.179
Yeah,

00:37:26.184 --> 00:37:28.135
it's like so confusing for people.

00:37:28.219 --> 00:37:35.269
So when we go into time, right, we have, we have tempo and rhythm, and I think a lot of people confuse the two and they lump them together as being the same things.

00:37:35.630 --> 00:37:42.829
They are not, when it comes to a golf swing, context tempo would be essentially the speed of it.

00:37:45.114 --> 00:37:46.730
I, I shouldn't even really say speed.

00:37:46.730 --> 00:37:50.360
It's the number of really beats per minute, right?

00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.039
So if I were to.

00:37:52.445 --> 00:37:57.059
Take the, the, the amount of time a swing takes, right?

00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:01.650
The total amount of swing time is essentially gonna be the tempo.

00:38:01.650 --> 00:38:10.679
So is your swing kind of here or is it here?

00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:11.699
Right.

00:38:11.969 --> 00:38:13.349
Those are two different tempos.

00:38:13.349 --> 00:38:26.010
And you'll see, on the Tour Tempo app, I always laugh because they call it, um, they go through the different, like 21 7, uh, 28, whatever, uh, 20.

00:38:26.369 --> 00:38:28.500
I, I can't do mental math right now on the podcast.

00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:29.730
Is that what I'm starting to learn?

00:38:29.969 --> 00:38:35.449
But, um, it's all three to one, but then they, they will call them, the tempos, the three to one tempo.

00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:36.349
It's like, no, it's not.

00:38:36.349 --> 00:38:36.949
That's rhythm.

00:38:37.010 --> 00:38:37.429
Okay.

00:38:37.699 --> 00:38:41.420
Because rhythm is a ratio of time, right?

00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:43.670
It's a pattern of time, right?

00:38:43.670 --> 00:38:47.719
So we can say like, there's an amount of time the club is taking in the backswing.

00:38:48.755 --> 00:38:53.105
And then there's an amount of time the club is taking from the top of the swing to the ball, right?

00:38:53.105 --> 00:39:05.405
And you'll, you'll see like the, the rhythm on long game shots tends to be three-ish to one, really two and a half, to three and a half to one on highly established ball strikers.

00:39:05.405 --> 00:39:08.764
Like tour pros are gonna be three and a half to two and a half to one.

00:39:08.945 --> 00:39:10.025
That's why I say three-ish.

00:39:10.054 --> 00:39:13.655
Like, don't ever let someone tell you you have to be exactly three to one.

00:39:13.655 --> 00:39:14.105
You do not.

00:39:14.664 --> 00:39:18.744
But then there's also short game, which tends to be two-ish to one, right?

00:39:18.744 --> 00:39:24.264
So one and a half to two and a half to one, meaning a, the amount of time the club.

00:39:24.385 --> 00:39:33.295
So for full swing, the amount of club that the amount of time the club is taking in the backswing direction is about three times the amount it's gonna take from the top of the backswing to the ball.

00:39:34.284 --> 00:39:46.675
Interestingly enough, if you take the ball away and you measure the backswing time relative to the entire downswing and follow through time, they're roughly similar.

00:39:47.050 --> 00:39:51.070
Across all shots, like with, again, highly established ball strikers.

00:39:51.699 --> 00:40:01.900
So if, if we said Hey, your backswing is gonna be three syllables, like Virginia, your entire downswing, and follow through to the club stops at the end of your finish is gonna be about three syllables.

00:40:02.019 --> 00:40:03.219
So Virginia.

00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:04.869
Virginia, right.

00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.070
And that would be a kind of like a nice rhythm, right?

00:40:09.070 --> 00:40:16.389
Whereas if you were like Virginia Cat, right, and your entire downswing and follow through took one syllable.

00:40:16.750 --> 00:40:23.889
Right, the word cat, that would be a different rhythm and a rhythm that we probably wouldn't super recommend.

00:40:24.579 --> 00:40:33.699
But the research does show that it's the consistency of the rhythm that is incredibly highly correlated to proficiency in ball striking.

00:40:33.909 --> 00:40:40.780
The more consistent your rhythm is, basically the, the higher likelihood you can develop skill on top of it.

00:40:40.869 --> 00:40:45.489
So if, if the rhythm that you're bringing is the same basically to every single shot, guess what?

00:40:45.860 --> 00:40:53.929
You can take that same rhythm and you can learn to locate the bottom of the swing arc, the face relative to the path, and then the club speed impact relative to the shot you have.

00:40:54.650 --> 00:40:54.860
Right?

00:40:54.860 --> 00:40:59.780
So again, tempo is the amount of swing time, the number of beats per minute.

00:40:59.809 --> 00:41:07.099
The, i, again, I don't like saying speed of it, because that's different., Especially when we're talking about the skill, right?

00:41:07.099 --> 00:41:09.619
Speed is an amount of momentum at impact.

00:41:10.114 --> 00:41:10.335
Hmm.

00:41:10.389 --> 00:41:15.130
It's really the amount of time, tempo is the amount of time your swing takes, is your swing taking it.

00:41:15.130 --> 00:41:19.690
And again, that's not correlated really strongly at all to the amount of clip at speed.

00:41:19.690 --> 00:41:21.130
You can create an impact.

00:41:21.489 --> 00:41:29.230
You can have someone with a one syllable swing like a John Rom, where it's like their ba the back swing is John again.

00:41:29.260 --> 00:41:35.409
One syllable, the entire downswing and fall through is rom one syllable and can create 120 miles an hour club at speed.

00:41:35.590 --> 00:41:46.250
You can also have someone with a three syllable, swing where the backswing takes three syllables and the entire downswing and fall through, takes three syllables, and then also create 120 miles per hour club at speed.

00:41:46.579 --> 00:41:46.730
Right?

00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:48.230
So that's not super correlated.

00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:56.219
But what is is, again, not the tempo'cause there's tons of different tempos, but they do stay relatively consistent.

00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:06.900
The thing that super stays consistent is the rhythm, which again, is the pattern of time, the, the ratio of time in the backswing relative to the ratio of, of time in the downswing and follow through.

00:42:07.789 --> 00:42:08.300
Mm-hmm.

00:42:09.155 --> 00:42:11.434
And that's why I like training with Tor tempo.

00:42:11.844 --> 00:42:16.284
You can get that consistency of pattern, you know, going.

00:42:16.335 --> 00:42:21.974
So I have one, one really good player that likes to train at actually a slower tempo on Tor tempo than he

00:42:22.034 --> 00:42:22.324
Yeah.

00:42:22.755 --> 00:42:24.074
'cause it helps him slow

00:42:24.099 --> 00:42:24.519
Cool.

00:42:24.670 --> 00:42:24.940
Yeah.

00:42:25.005 --> 00:42:30.105
he, he just so he warms up though, I should say it this way, he warms up that way, at least in his early warmup.

00:42:30.105 --> 00:42:30.795
And he just finds

00:42:31.059 --> 00:42:31.480
That's cool.

00:42:31.934 --> 00:42:42.829
but, but to be able to sort of backdoor it and just consistently have something that helps you, gives you a concrete feel of I know what I'm playing well at.

00:42:42.860 --> 00:42:44.150
This is what it, this is

00:42:44.269 --> 00:42:44.559
Yeah,

00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:47.389
out is really helpful in my opinion.

00:42:47.510 --> 00:42:47.809
Right.

00:42:48.045 --> 00:42:48.525
a hundred percent.

00:42:48.769 --> 00:42:53.449
This is, again, it's like this is universal to good golfers.

00:42:54.409 --> 00:42:55.190
This is, this isn't

00:42:55.394 --> 00:42:55.664
Yeah.

00:42:56.210 --> 00:42:59.090
and you could look at came young, his rhythm is interesting,

00:42:59.385 --> 00:43:00.224
Super consistent.

00:43:01.460 --> 00:43:02.300
But it's extremely

00:43:02.715 --> 00:43:03.195
Yes.

00:43:03.284 --> 00:43:05.025
Does it the same way every single time?

00:43:05.534 --> 00:43:05.985
Yes.

00:43:06.289 --> 00:43:06.739
Right.

00:43:06.949 --> 00:43:10.579
And so that really helps.

00:43:10.579 --> 00:43:12.889
Did he have that, I guess you played with him as a junior golfer.

00:43:12.889 --> 00:43:15.139
Was it always like that big, slow

00:43:15.224 --> 00:43:16.005
Yes.

00:43:16.215 --> 00:43:16.485
Mm-hmm.

00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:17.000
ripped the

00:43:17.324 --> 00:43:17.775
Yeah,

00:43:17.809 --> 00:43:18.079
Yeah,

00:43:18.195 --> 00:43:18.525
yeah,

00:43:18.650 --> 00:43:19.159
I figured it

00:43:19.335 --> 00:43:19.574
yeah.

00:43:20.090 --> 00:43:20.960
probably just always

00:43:21.014 --> 00:43:26.684
That stuff ain't changing with the best players in the world, that general rhythm is not changing.

00:43:27.335 --> 00:43:30.005
Now the short game rhythm is a little bit different.

00:43:30.005 --> 00:43:31.505
So this is what we talk about.

00:43:31.505 --> 00:43:39.744
Like golfers are typically, especially through level three, are either really good at speeding the ball up or slowing the ball down, right?

00:43:39.744 --> 00:43:42.144
So two to one rhythm is really great at slowing the ball down.

00:43:42.474 --> 00:43:44.304
Three to one rhythm's really great at speeding the ball up.

00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.679
The best player is level four, I believe.

00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:54.039
Get there, get to level four in no small part because they're pretty darn good at speeding it up and slowing it down.

00:43:54.429 --> 00:44:01.630
And so their three to one rhythm is incredibly consistent and their two to one con rhythm is incredibly consistent.

00:44:01.815 --> 00:44:03.164
Mm-hmm.

00:44:03.250 --> 00:44:09.079
tricky., I'm telling you like coaching this stuff, it is very tricky because you get someone really good at three to one and guess what?

00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:10.489
That's all they wanna do with short game.

00:44:11.179 --> 00:44:12.590
You get someone really good two to one.

00:44:12.739 --> 00:44:13.250
Guess what?

00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.260
That's all they wanna do in long game, right?

00:44:15.260 --> 00:44:17.300
So there, there are intricacies to that.

00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.989
That's actually gonna be in my presentation at Codebreakers retreat.

00:44:21.110 --> 00:44:30.960
So shameless plug, in October, I'm actually gonna talk about the, a lot and Sean Kennedy, my buddy too, is gonna talk about the differences in how to coach three to one versus two to one rhythm.

00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:31.260
And,

00:44:31.769 --> 00:44:31.989
oh,

00:44:31.989 --> 00:44:35.230
Tour tempo is actually gonna be a part of that.

00:44:35.230 --> 00:44:35.590
Right.

00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:43.670
Uh, and like you said, like there are different ways to, to coach it and there are ways that we see people use it that are great and ways that we see people use it, that are not so great.

00:44:44.059 --> 00:44:46.610
So, um, but but yeah.

00:44:46.610 --> 00:44:47.000
Sorry.

00:44:47.059 --> 00:44:48.380
Kind of backtracking to your point.

00:44:48.409 --> 00:44:48.800
Yes.

00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.250
That is the kind of the universal constant for sure.

00:44:51.309 --> 00:44:51.789
The rhythm.

00:44:53.474 --> 00:45:01.815
And so as we improve a golf rhythm becomes, I don't know if just better is the right word, more consistent for sure.

00:45:04.844 --> 00:45:05.954
there's more ownership in the

00:45:05.994 --> 00:45:06.284
Yeah.

00:45:06.675 --> 00:45:07.605
I would say, like that.

00:45:07.605 --> 00:45:08.864
That's leading to freedom

00:45:08.994 --> 00:45:09.215
Yep.

00:45:09.614 --> 00:45:14.789
And I know that we correlate, you and I had a big, long discussion about golf swing face-to-face, maybe

00:45:15.144 --> 00:45:15.565
Mm-hmm.

00:45:15.664 --> 00:45:16.594
ago, six.

00:45:16.985 --> 00:45:18.335
Was it before the ice storm?

00:45:18.389 --> 00:45:19.469
No, it was after.

00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:20.550
Yeah.

00:45:21.454 --> 00:45:21.635
Oh.

00:45:21.635 --> 00:45:23.795
'cause we were, were we in simulators that day?

00:45:23.824 --> 00:45:24.155
No,

00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:24.840
Yes.

00:45:24.929 --> 00:45:25.019
Mm-hmm.

00:45:25.349 --> 00:45:25.559
Yeah.

00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:26.280
There were indoor sims.

00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:26.369
Yeah.

00:45:26.375 --> 00:45:28.144
we were in, we were indoors.

00:45:28.925 --> 00:45:33.394
So we had a long discussion about golf swing stuff.

00:45:35.014 --> 00:45:37.114
And about rhythm.

00:45:37.235 --> 00:45:38.494
We talked about posture.

00:45:39.815 --> 00:45:40.985
We talked about tension.

00:45:41.034 --> 00:45:41.255
Yes.

00:45:42.905 --> 00:45:45.034
These are the, these are the universal things,

00:45:45.184 --> 00:45:45.474
Yeah.

00:45:45.514 --> 00:45:50.764
like outside of that, it's like, it depends.

00:45:50.764 --> 00:45:51.454
It depends.

00:45:51.594 --> 00:45:52.614
It depends on the shot.

00:45:52.795 --> 00:45:53.614
Yes, exactly.

00:45:53.885 --> 00:45:54.514
I see

00:45:54.554 --> 00:45:54.775
Yes.

00:45:54.934 --> 00:45:55.505
see these.

00:45:55.655 --> 00:45:57.335
I, okay, so I see these golf.

00:45:57.394 --> 00:45:57.635
Okay.

00:45:57.635 --> 00:45:59.284
I'm, I'm gonna start ranting a little bit.

00:45:59.644 --> 00:46:00.175
Here we go.

00:46:00.275 --> 00:46:02.855
These hard truths, okay?

00:46:03.695 --> 00:46:05.135
is the perfect backswing.

00:46:05.855 --> 00:46:07.175
seen these, I send them

00:46:07.255 --> 00:46:07.474
Yes.

00:46:07.594 --> 00:46:09.934
I think they're ridiculous, right?

00:46:09.934 --> 00:46:12.545
Because, well, Nancy Lopez didn't do that.

00:46:12.744 --> 00:46:13.094
right?

00:46:13.699 --> 00:46:16.744
maybe the, the greatest female golfer of all time.

00:46:17.224 --> 00:46:17.675
Okay.

00:46:18.125 --> 00:46:19.144
Um, Jack

00:46:19.324 --> 00:46:19.614
Yeah.

00:46:19.715 --> 00:46:20.405
didn't do

00:46:20.554 --> 00:46:22.775
Scotty Scheffler doesn't do anything

00:46:23.224 --> 00:46:23.764
most

00:46:23.835 --> 00:46:24.054
You.

00:46:24.394 --> 00:46:25.235
Well, no.

00:46:25.235 --> 00:46:28.264
Scotty Scheffler does a, everything we talk

00:46:28.394 --> 00:46:28.755
Yes.

00:46:28.784 --> 00:46:29.385
Oh, yeah.

00:46:29.385 --> 00:46:29.394
Yeah.

00:46:29.445 --> 00:46:29.894
He doesn't,

00:46:30.304 --> 00:46:30.635
see what

00:46:30.735 --> 00:46:31.554
yeah, yeah, yeah,

00:46:31.925 --> 00:46:32.135
Yeah.

00:46:32.135 --> 00:46:40.295
So Scotty's the poster Boy, thing about Tiger, I would say fair to say that Scotty's the best, most dominant golfer since

00:46:40.364 --> 00:46:40.695
yeah.

00:46:41.164 --> 00:46:43.324
I think that's just straight up, fair to say.

00:46:43.985 --> 00:46:48.724
And the thing with Tiger is he had the beautiful

00:46:49.155 --> 00:46:50.264
Yes, he did.

00:46:50.954 --> 00:46:52.875
Which was a blessing and a curse for us.

00:46:52.875 --> 00:46:53.804
That's for sure.

00:46:54.405 --> 00:47:00.585
Because this, because I don't mean to cut you off from your rant, but the geometry is what everyone sees.

00:47:01.304 --> 00:47:02.534
It's, it's the thing.

00:47:02.565 --> 00:47:05.150
It's the thing that is the most obvious to look at.

00:47:06.315 --> 00:47:06.795
Yeah.

00:47:07.655 --> 00:47:09.695
And they correlate that to his greatness.

00:47:09.735 --> 00:47:09.974
Yep.

00:47:10.655 --> 00:47:16.204
Like, no, I mean, tiger changed, everyone knows he changed it pretty significantly.

00:47:16.385 --> 00:47:17.224
Four times.

00:47:17.224 --> 00:47:17.465
Four.

00:47:17.494 --> 00:47:21.724
Did he win majors with four very different kind of looking swings, right?

00:47:22.445 --> 00:47:26.465
What did he, were the, what were the foundational truths of all that?

00:47:26.465 --> 00:47:27.485
Did Tiger's grip ever

00:47:27.675 --> 00:47:28.005
Nope.

00:47:29.554 --> 00:47:31.445
His posture changed a little bit.

00:47:31.445 --> 00:47:36.545
I will say that that moved around a little bit back pain and different things that he was trying to do.

00:47:36.934 --> 00:47:40.385
Maybe undo, maybe, shouldn't have

00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:41.369
Yeah.

00:47:41.945 --> 00:47:47.974
Um, so I will bet you his mindset didn't change very much.

00:47:48.454 --> 00:47:48.815
Right?

00:47:49.204 --> 00:47:50.644
Not that that's part of swing, but it kind

00:47:50.655 --> 00:47:51.795
Oh, it super is.

00:47:52.364 --> 00:47:53.414
We can get into that.

00:47:53.974 --> 00:47:54.934
it kind of is.

00:47:55.355 --> 00:47:58.114
So these are the universal truths, right?

00:47:58.114 --> 00:48:02.224
And so if you're tuning in going like, Eric, just tell me where my right elbow goes.

00:48:02.224 --> 00:48:07.744
I can't answer that for you because it's just whatever I tell you is disingenuous.

00:48:08.150 --> 00:48:15.079
If you come for a lesson and we see things in your swing that we think are lending you towards having a bias that isn't helping you, we

00:48:15.224 --> 00:48:15.514
Yeah,

00:48:15.619 --> 00:48:15.769
it.

00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:16.099
Right?

00:48:16.099 --> 00:48:17.570
This is, this is what we're trying to say.

00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:22.670
This is not a, Hey, every swing works and you just gotta believe and smile and you'll be great at golf.

00:48:22.670 --> 00:48:23.539
It does not work

00:48:23.594 --> 00:48:23.885
yeah,

00:48:23.929 --> 00:48:24.650
That is not

00:48:24.864 --> 00:48:25.155
yeah,

00:48:25.579 --> 00:48:30.170
That gentleman that came in the other day was never gonna hit the ball high or anything, but to the

00:48:30.389 --> 00:48:30.449
yeah.

00:48:30.469 --> 00:48:32.989
until he had a pretty serious swing change, right?

00:48:34.130 --> 00:48:35.420
and we, we do that stuff all the

00:48:35.489 --> 00:48:35.940
Mm-hmm.

00:48:36.050 --> 00:48:44.059
like you said, a lot of that is working through it with just trying to build them up, um, to a certain place and then try to lean

00:48:44.375 --> 00:48:44.795
Mm-hmm.

00:48:44.809 --> 00:48:45.110
right?

00:48:45.170 --> 00:48:46.010
Build a little belief.

00:48:46.010 --> 00:48:48.219
Build a little skill, get a little routine going

00:48:48.224 --> 00:48:48.715
Totally.

00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:50.440
like believe in yourself for a little

00:48:50.510 --> 00:48:57.730
It's like you gotta ask yourself the question is what they're doing allowing, like what's their, what's their capacity to create?

00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:09.119
Enough club head speed in a safe way for, for their goals and this is the big thing with beginner golfers is they keep tension in their arms like crazy.

00:49:09.269 --> 00:49:15.150
They ke they do not move pressure from below their like

00:49:15.525 --> 00:49:15.744
Mm.

00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:16.739
belt basically.

00:49:17.010 --> 00:49:27.329
Like it all say like, um, and just with what they're doing, it is like, you can tell they're just selling out on making sure they don't miss the golf ball basically.

00:49:27.389 --> 00:49:27.719
Right?

00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:36.630
But it's like, okay, you can make contact doing that, but you create no club head speed doing that, right?

00:49:36.630 --> 00:49:38.730
So then it's like, yeah, we gotta make a big change.

00:49:38.730 --> 00:49:42.300
Like we gotta teach you how to shift pressure very similar to how you walk.

00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:44.429
We gotta get your rib cages going back and forth.

00:49:44.429 --> 00:49:49.820
We got to get the arms swinging, rotating, folding, get tension outta the forearms, shoulders, wrists kind of stuff.

00:49:50.329 --> 00:49:54.679
Then to get the club swinging and rotating fast around their body so that they can play.

00:49:55.190 --> 00:49:55.519
Right.

00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:08.289
But it's like, aside from that, it's gonna be like you said, if they, if they have enough efficiency and enough speed and they can access those skills, that totally like, let's lean into this thing.

00:50:08.289 --> 00:50:09.429
Let's develop strategy.

00:50:09.429 --> 00:50:12.730
Let's continuing to, to develop skill on top of what we're doing, right.

00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:14.559
Try to keep stuff as consistent as we can.

00:50:15.449 --> 00:50:15.809
Yeah.

00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:31.170
And I think some of the things that will hinder golfers, trends that we see, and I think, be honest, I'm not trying to be critical because you can help, you can help golfers in certain ways, but sometimes in the way that you help, some golfers can hinder other

00:50:31.179 --> 00:50:31.780
Hundred percent.

00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:33.000
right?

00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.070
So you have to be a little bit careful when you teach.

00:50:35.445 --> 00:50:37.034
Methodology, I would say.

00:50:37.275 --> 00:50:37.635
Okay.

00:50:39.105 --> 00:50:49.875
So some of the trends that I find, that can be conflicting to students' growth, I should say, is the way I'm trying to put this right, like maybe it could help, maybe it can't.

00:50:50.625 --> 00:50:52.155
Depends on how their mind works.

00:50:52.155 --> 00:50:53.349
Depends on how their body works.

00:50:53.780 --> 00:50:55.844
Depends on what their skillset is like.

00:50:56.534 --> 00:50:59.985
the if then propositions, like, if you do this, then you

00:51:00.105 --> 00:51:00.914
Hundred percent.

00:51:00.985 --> 00:51:01.275
Yeah.

00:51:02.054 --> 00:51:10.304
Anything that's anytime anybody says you have to do something, it's probably pro, I'm making a generality, but it's probably not true.

00:51:10.664 --> 00:51:11.085
Okay.

00:51:11.894 --> 00:51:18.344
then if you believe them,'cause they're making a good, you know, there's some, they look like, they sound like they're credible and they say you have to do this.

00:51:19.934 --> 00:51:22.364
you could probably find really good golfers that don't do that thing.

00:51:22.545 --> 00:51:22.764
Yep.

00:51:23.565 --> 00:51:30.344
Um, and then the other one is like, if you're this, then you have to be this and that belief system's just as tricky because it's like.

00:51:31.094 --> 00:51:33.255
Oh, because I do this, I have to do

00:51:33.364 --> 00:51:33.784
Mm-hmm.

00:51:33.795 --> 00:51:34.425
be good at golf.

00:51:34.425 --> 00:51:35.655
And then they just believe in that.

00:51:35.655 --> 00:51:37.815
And I don't think that's necessarily true either.

00:51:38.059 --> 00:51:38.349
Yeah.

00:51:38.434 --> 00:51:45.005
We're trying to, we're trying to get our students to develop above all that stuff actually.

00:51:45.405 --> 00:51:49.164
That's just like minutiae, that's bogs people down in their development.

00:51:49.525 --> 00:51:54.954
Like if we can get above that and work on stuff, like a lot of that stuff comes together and we don't have to really worry about it.

00:51:54.954 --> 00:51:55.344
Right?

00:51:55.764 --> 00:52:03.085
So like, the longer you teach and the more you efficiently you teach, the more you skip out, you skip across a lot of this stuff, right?

00:52:03.085 --> 00:52:11.255
You figure out what is this person probably gonna develop without me having to have them come, you know, work on it in some complex way, right?

00:52:11.255 --> 00:52:13.835
That's really gonna maybe set their development backwards, right?

00:52:13.835 --> 00:52:18.094
So that's the way that people are gonna tend to push their development forward.

00:52:19.655 --> 00:52:21.375
these belief systems is just like you.

00:52:22.190 --> 00:52:24.079
if I'm like this, then I have to do that.

00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.480
It just, I just drives me crazy in a

00:52:26.594 --> 00:52:26.954
Yeah.

00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:35.039
Yes, there's certain things that some people are gonna do better than others based on body shape or anatomy or, or whatever.

00:52:35.909 --> 00:52:37.530
that does not have to be the be all,

00:52:37.539 --> 00:52:38.619
No, no.

00:52:38.619 --> 00:52:39.340
Like getting

00:52:39.389 --> 00:52:41.250
Athleticism still plays a role in

00:52:41.349 --> 00:52:53.519
a hundred percent and like getting into some of the mental stuff, so many golfers are like figuratively, like walking a tight rope 24 7 with their golf swing, right?

00:52:53.519 --> 00:53:05.780
So they believe I have to, I must do X, Y, Z with my golf swing, and if I don't, I have got no chance of playing the way I want to play.

00:53:07.369 --> 00:53:09.289
And it just could not be further from the truth.

00:53:09.369 --> 00:53:24.909
If you actually look at, and, um, hunter actually had a, has a really good, um, presentation with his students that, that I really like quite a bit when he talks about how many different geometries do you see in the Hall of Fame, right?

00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:27.159
Quite a bit, right?

00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:30.670
Hall of fame's littered with what you would think of as like, quote unquote, like bag golf swings.

00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:37.289
And then on PGA tour, like if you look at the geometry, yes, there are things that they all do relatively similarly.

00:53:37.989 --> 00:53:39.519
So I'm not gonna discredit that.

00:53:40.570 --> 00:53:55.989
But when you look at like the big geometry aspects of like where the club is in different points in the swing, at the top right, early back, like there are, there's so much variability to that now.

00:53:55.989 --> 00:53:56.980
That's to get on tour.

00:53:56.980 --> 00:54:02.860
That's the amount of geometry variability that is possible to play on PGA tour.

00:54:04.030 --> 00:54:12.010
Now let's think about how many, how much variability is possible to be scratch, right?

00:54:12.730 --> 00:54:14.889
That goes up quite a bit.

00:54:15.494 --> 00:54:16.605
I would say way

00:54:16.885 --> 00:54:17.244
a bit.

00:54:17.715 --> 00:54:18.465
infinity.

00:54:18.804 --> 00:54:22.434
let's think about your average, like your, I hate saying average.

00:54:22.434 --> 00:54:29.625
No one's average, but like, let's think about your like 15, 12 handicap that's obsessed with golf, right?

00:54:29.625 --> 00:54:31.155
And just wants to look, swing, swing, swing.

00:54:31.755 --> 00:54:37.755
How much variability is possible to be an eight or a seven, right?

00:54:37.755 --> 00:54:43.905
Like when you start to think about it, it's like as soon as someone says, well, yeah, I'm doing this with my right hip.

00:54:43.905 --> 00:54:44.414
Like what?

00:54:44.804 --> 00:54:49.335
The first thing is, I'm kind of thinking about like, especially if it's like a 15 handicap is why do I care?

00:54:50.235 --> 00:54:52.125
Like why do I care?

00:54:52.335 --> 00:54:58.355
Like what your, you know what I mean?, Let's, let's, let's just make sure like from, from a skill standpoint, you're, you're creating.

00:54:58.775 --> 00:55:00.844
You know, momentum, you're swinging freely.

00:55:00.844 --> 00:55:04.684
Like you're creating enough speed to be able to play, you're able to do that consistently.

00:55:04.684 --> 00:55:08.344
And then let's just go get after skill as much as we possibly can.

00:55:08.425 --> 00:55:08.844
Mm-hmm.

00:55:08.914 --> 00:55:11.375
Um,'cause there's just so much freaking variability.

00:55:11.375 --> 00:55:22.775
I don't think I will ever with, you know, tell someone that this position of the, at the top of the swing or early, but this takeaway or this like, you know, whatever.

00:55:23.704 --> 00:55:24.454
They have to do that.

00:55:24.454 --> 00:55:32.344
'cause you don't, like, there's so many, there's so much variability in what you can do to, if you're listening to this, very likely a level two golfer.

00:55:32.344 --> 00:55:38.485
Even to get like beginning of level three to where you're averaging 76, there's so much variability.

00:55:38.485 --> 00:55:41.545
You are not walking a tight rope with your golf swing, I promise you.

00:55:41.594 --> 00:55:50.434
And if a coach is making you feel like you've got a list of four or five things that you have to do to be able to play well or hit the shot that you want, then.

00:55:52.489 --> 00:55:53.090
I don't know what to say.

00:55:53.090 --> 00:55:58.215
I don't wanna tell you to see a different coach, but I might be kind of telling you You need to think about it a little bit.

00:55:59.364 --> 00:56:02.755
Okay, so let's go back in time to our interview with Sasha McKenzie.

00:56:02.755 --> 00:56:14.664
I was thinking about this the other day, and I think it was you that brought up, or maybe it was me, one of us saw this story about when he worked with Matthew Fitzpatrick.

00:56:15.505 --> 00:56:15.894
Right.

00:56:16.824 --> 00:56:17.364
And

00:56:17.994 --> 00:56:18.284
yeah,

00:56:18.385 --> 00:56:21.864
McKenzie, the smartest person in golf swing.

00:56:22.929 --> 00:56:24.610
Whatever you wanna call it, right?

00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:30.219
He literally, he really literally defined energy in the swing, essentially, right?

00:56:30.269 --> 00:56:33.454
He, he, he could say, he, did he say on our show?

00:56:33.454 --> 00:56:37.684
I could tell you every source of every mile an hour clip, head

00:56:37.784 --> 00:56:37.994
Yes,

00:56:38.045 --> 00:56:38.375
your swing.

00:56:38.565 --> 00:56:39.014
yes.

00:56:39.094 --> 00:56:39.364
He said

00:56:39.614 --> 00:56:39.885
Yeah.

00:56:39.885 --> 00:56:40.905
No, he can figure it out.

00:56:40.905 --> 00:56:41.175
Yeah.

00:56:42.635 --> 00:56:42.994
Okay.

00:56:43.775 --> 00:56:49.565
So when he, when Matthew Fitzpatrick asked him for help to gain speed in his, like, I need work on my swing.

00:56:50.614 --> 00:56:52.295
Did Scio say, here's the answer

00:56:52.340 --> 00:56:52.630
Nope.

00:56:53.494 --> 00:56:54.155
he did not.

00:56:55.235 --> 00:56:56.795
said, here's some options.

00:56:58.175 --> 00:56:59.224
Here's a bunch of options.

00:56:59.255 --> 00:57:02.974
I want you to read over these options and tell me which ones make most sense to you.

00:57:02.974 --> 00:57:03.574
Is it, am I

00:57:03.704 --> 00:57:04.184
Yes.

00:57:04.184 --> 00:57:05.684
You know, that's exactly what happened.

00:57:05.894 --> 00:57:06.284
Yes.

00:57:06.364 --> 00:57:17.164
Okay, top player in the world, top smartest person in the world when it comes probably to golf swing stuff in a lot of ways, right?

00:57:17.164 --> 00:57:18.485
He's right there with anybody.

00:57:19.235 --> 00:57:22.235
And he didn't say, here's the answer, isn't that crazy?

00:57:22.894 --> 00:57:25.144
said, here's a bunch of stuff we could, here's a bunch of

00:57:25.335 --> 00:57:25.664
Yep.

00:57:26.494 --> 00:57:28.355
and what do you feel like you're most comfortable with?

00:57:28.925 --> 00:57:32.045
Okay, so let's listen to like, let's listen to the

00:57:32.264 --> 00:57:32.835
Literally

00:57:32.855 --> 00:57:33.335
a second.

00:57:33.784 --> 00:57:34.385
The top.

00:57:34.554 --> 00:57:34.764
to the

00:57:34.804 --> 00:57:35.224
Yes.

00:57:36.054 --> 00:57:36.775
for a second.

00:57:37.045 --> 00:57:37.465
Okay.

00:57:38.034 --> 00:57:47.275
So he's very busy, creating companies that do great things and doing research and whatever he is doing and working for Ping.

00:57:47.454 --> 00:57:50.605
So like that's where he spends his time and working with great players.

00:57:50.815 --> 00:57:52.135
Let's listen to what he says.

00:57:52.525 --> 00:57:57.414
Okay, not listen to some dude with a hoodie who's

00:57:57.840 --> 00:57:58.059
Man,

00:57:59.244 --> 00:58:00.355
man, you should do

00:58:00.454 --> 00:58:01.894
don't, don't rag on hoodies, dude.

00:58:01.894 --> 00:58:02.284
Come on.

00:58:05.574 --> 00:58:05.635
I'm

00:58:05.824 --> 00:58:06.215
I know.

00:58:06.215 --> 00:58:06.394
I know.

00:58:06.744 --> 00:58:13.425
it's pretty clear, If you've never heard their name, then they, they're, and they're spending all their time making videos for Instagram.

00:58:13.425 --> 00:58:14.894
They're probably not teaching all day long.

00:58:14.894 --> 00:58:15.164
Right.

00:58:15.164 --> 00:58:19.985
So there, there's a, the rise of the swing guru is crazy to me.

00:58:20.014 --> 00:58:23.585
Like this, these random people who just, they just think they know everything.

00:58:23.789 --> 00:58:26.355
gatekeeper of, of, yeah.

00:58:26.405 --> 00:58:26.914
before.

00:58:26.974 --> 00:58:27.844
They don't teach golf.

00:58:27.844 --> 00:58:29.135
They just think they know everything.

00:58:29.195 --> 00:58:29.585
Right.

00:58:31.264 --> 00:58:35.344
point being, I'm kind of ranting, listen to the smart people.

00:58:35.554 --> 00:58:40.324
If sho think there's, if Sho thinks there's options, there's options, right?

00:58:40.744 --> 00:58:43.684
If Butch Harmon says, you know what?

00:58:44.105 --> 00:58:47.735
There's some truths, but you can get this done looking like Justin Johnson.

00:58:47.735 --> 00:58:51.695
You can get this done looking like Tiger Woods and you can get this done looking like Ricky Fowler.

00:58:52.144 --> 00:58:53.855
Let's listen to Butch Harmon, right?

00:58:53.855 --> 00:58:55.355
Maybe the greatest coach of all time.

00:58:55.894 --> 00:59:02.914
So there's just this, I think as, as our eyes have been drawn to.

00:59:03.215 --> 00:59:05.074
Things like Instagram, right?

00:59:05.074 --> 00:59:08.405
Where everything's about the visual, this is what you see, right?

00:59:08.405 --> 00:59:16.025
This is the thing, this is the thing that you see, and it draws us towards the positions and it draws us towards this stuff.

00:59:16.025 --> 00:59:21.724
And it gets us away from, I would say, the fundamental truths about the game.

00:59:21.844 --> 00:59:27.514
Like, okay, we gotta develop a really good athletic way to stand and hold the club, right?

00:59:27.755 --> 00:59:31.235
We gotta manage the tension in our body the right way.

00:59:31.594 --> 00:59:35.614
We've gotta be able to, like you said, I gotta be able to somehow move

00:59:35.864 --> 00:59:36.704
Great energy.

00:59:36.764 --> 00:59:37.094
Yeah.

00:59:37.744 --> 00:59:38.014
right?

00:59:38.974 --> 00:59:45.295
I saw a swing the other day where really good player, former D one golfer, but not creating a lot of energy swing looked like.

00:59:45.355 --> 00:59:49.405
You watch it swinging and you go like, he's swinging hard, right?

00:59:49.614 --> 00:59:51.414
And it was like 92 driver

00:59:51.545 --> 00:59:52.175
Wow.

00:59:52.655 --> 00:59:53.014
Yeah.

00:59:53.574 --> 00:59:54.594
no pressure.

00:59:54.894 --> 00:59:55.465
Pressure not

00:59:55.625 --> 00:59:56.375
That's, yeah.

00:59:56.755 --> 00:59:58.375
So he's just not creating the energy.

00:59:58.525 --> 00:59:59.219
That's what we worked on.

00:59:59.934 --> 01:00:11.164
So anyway, I know I'm ranting and I'm gonna try not to be critical, but I, I'm, so, I just want golfers to stay the course, work on the things that, really, really

01:00:11.385 --> 01:00:11.684
Yep.

01:00:11.795 --> 01:00:12.184
you know?

01:00:12.184 --> 01:00:19.264
And, and if you do that in a way that I think as efficient, you can get better at

01:00:19.364 --> 01:00:19.724
Yeah,

01:00:19.744 --> 01:00:20.795
and build the trust.

01:00:21.005 --> 01:00:23.945
But if you're constantly listening to a ton of voices, it's just tough.

01:00:23.974 --> 01:00:24.184
It's

01:00:24.315 --> 01:00:24.735
totally.

01:00:24.755 --> 01:00:25.175
Right.

01:00:25.664 --> 01:00:51.375
And go back and listen to our skill episode because I think that's a huge, huge deal of what's gonna kind of keep you on track and staying the course is like, you are not gonna let one outcome or two outcomes or just shot outcomes in general, tell you that definitively it's my swing and I need to go searching for geometry solutions to my experiences.

01:00:51.885 --> 01:00:52.155
Right.

01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:52.619
right,

01:00:52.755 --> 01:00:53.025
Yeah,

01:00:53.230 --> 01:00:53.579
right.

01:00:55.655 --> 01:00:58.715
All right, so what else with the swing, Rob, what else is on your mind today?

01:01:00.344 --> 01:01:04.324
just trying to think yeah, I mean, I think we pretty well covered it.

01:01:04.335 --> 01:01:06.644
You know, I, I think we can, we can have.

01:01:07.260 --> 01:01:17.829
Especially when we do our, a driving or long game series, we'll get into a little bit more of like how we see pressure shifting, how we see energy being created.

01:01:18.340 --> 01:01:24.670
Um, you know, a lot of what we talked about kind of face to face, um, that day in, in Richmond.

01:01:24.670 --> 01:01:32.199
But, but no, from a, from a, you know, golf improvement theory, I think, I think those are, those are kind of the main key points for sure.

01:01:34.304 --> 01:01:35.414
Golf improvement theory.

01:01:35.474 --> 01:01:38.925
Stay focused on what matters, try to block out what doesn't.

01:01:39.224 --> 01:01:42.644
And if you have that, if you have that line drawn, it really does help, doesn't it?

01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:43.239
Yeah.

01:01:43.275 --> 01:01:44.025
really helps.

01:01:44.445 --> 01:01:45.795
And just remember, it depends.

01:01:45.795 --> 01:01:50.804
There's no, there's not a lot of hard truths in the story, especially when it comes to what a swing looks like.

01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:51.369
Yeah.

01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:56.670
And, um, it can be, it can be in, it can be in a way to

01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:57.139
Mm-hmm.

01:01:57.204 --> 01:01:59.605
stuff and really try to to learn.

01:02:00.204 --> 01:02:03.625
You know, Scott recently gained a bunch of speed.

01:02:04.255 --> 01:02:05.664
His swing looks exactly the same,

01:02:05.824 --> 01:02:06.454
Yes.

01:02:06.505 --> 01:02:08.695
He said, he said he learned from Dr.

01:02:08.784 --> 01:02:09.414
Wan's

01:02:09.670 --> 01:02:10.090
Mm-hmm.

01:02:11.574 --> 01:02:14.065
This is Adam Scott we're talking about, right?

01:02:14.065 --> 01:02:17.545
Like he said, he learned his swing looks exactly the same.

01:02:17.545 --> 01:02:18.985
So why is he swinging faster?

01:02:19.045 --> 01:02:19.614
What does Dr.

01:02:19.614 --> 01:02:20.364
Kwan talk about?

01:02:21.175 --> 01:02:21.804
The things we just

01:02:21.860 --> 01:02:22.679
Energy and time.

01:02:22.885 --> 01:02:24.025
energy, energy and

01:02:24.155 --> 01:02:24.454
Yep.

01:02:24.594 --> 01:02:24.969
right?

01:02:24.969 --> 01:02:26.235
So these are the things that matter.

01:02:26.264 --> 01:02:28.574
Listen to the greats, listen to them.

01:02:28.574 --> 01:02:29.445
Listen to what they say.

01:02:29.445 --> 01:02:30.344
The smart people, the

01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:30.639
Yep.

01:02:30.945 --> 01:02:32.474
they say things and it matters.

01:02:34.304 --> 01:02:39.164
don't get distracted with going down the road of the new shiny idea.

01:02:39.195 --> 01:02:39.585
'cause it,

01:02:39.744 --> 01:02:40.045
Yep.

01:02:40.184 --> 01:02:46.275
send you into, it could send you into that tailspin where you're constantly chasing, sort of chasing your tail.

01:02:47.010 --> 01:02:49.289
And I wish I had more stories to tell

01:02:49.494 --> 01:02:57.184
Well, that, that's a, that's a lead into, so again, our, our structure for TGI 2.0 is gonna be, Hey, this is the series.

01:02:57.275 --> 01:03:02.375
We're gonna do a strategy episode, a skill episode, and a swing episode.

01:03:02.675 --> 01:03:11.554
That last episode is gonna be some combination depending on the series of lessons from our lessons mailbag, and then maybe like a guest interview, right?

01:03:11.585 --> 01:03:15.425
So next episode, listen to this, get your questions in.

01:03:15.425 --> 01:03:19.184
Again, you can reach us on, on Instagram, at the golf intervention.

01:03:19.965 --> 01:03:21.054
Just DM us.

01:03:21.505 --> 01:03:29.965
And we'll put, you put your question in there, but we'll, we'll be talking about our experiences on the lesson team, what we're seeing and some of the real life stuff.

01:03:30.045 --> 01:03:34.824
And it should be a really fun episode when it comes to this, golf Improvement Theory series and kind of wrapping that up.

01:03:35.704 --> 01:03:37.644
So if you've sent us a question, which we have gotten

01:03:38.019 --> 01:03:38.650
I've got a real,

01:03:38.744 --> 01:03:38.965
uh,

01:03:39.460 --> 01:03:44.780
I forgot to tell you one actually, when we get off, I've got a really good one, for next time too, so yeah.

01:03:45.190 --> 01:03:48.730
So we have, I would guess our next episode is gonna be the question and answer.

01:03:48.739 --> 01:03:49.309
Yes,

01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:54.340
if you wanna send us a question, the golf intervention@gmail.com is a place.

01:03:54.340 --> 01:03:55.389
We've gotten a few there.

01:03:55.389 --> 01:03:58.119
People have just come up and asked me a few questions with, I filed away.

01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:02.469
Robbie apparently has some, so we've got some questions to go over,

01:04:02.630 --> 01:04:03.199
yes, we did.

01:04:03.550 --> 01:04:11.409
There's a more than 0% chance we're gonna have an interview with one, literally one of the greatest golfers that's ever walked Planet Earth.

01:04:12.005 --> 01:04:13.025
You said less than zero.

01:04:13.025 --> 01:04:16.295
I thought you were talking about like Jack Nicholas, like tiger.

01:04:16.295 --> 01:04:16.505
Yeah.

01:04:16.534 --> 01:04:16.804
Yeah.

01:04:16.804 --> 01:04:18.635
We're not, we're not getting them on the pod.

01:04:19.030 --> 01:04:20.349
Ben, Ben Hogan.

01:04:21.670 --> 01:04:22.719
There's a less than zero

01:04:22.835 --> 01:04:23.284
Yes.

01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:24.099
Ben Hogan,

01:04:24.844 --> 01:04:25.474
That's great

01:04:25.659 --> 01:04:27.250
a more than zero chance

01:04:27.275 --> 01:04:28.295
we actually are.

01:04:28.324 --> 01:04:28.835
Yes.

01:04:29.889 --> 01:04:33.010
maybe one of the greatest players who's ever graced planet Earth.

01:04:33.219 --> 01:04:34.059
And it's, yeah.

01:04:34.059 --> 01:04:35.440
So that'll be cool if we can figure

01:04:35.449 --> 01:04:35.739
Yeah.

01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:37.239
Be super cool.

01:04:37.329 --> 01:04:38.769
A lot to learn from that gentleman.

01:04:38.769 --> 01:04:38.920
For

01:04:39.099 --> 01:04:39.389
Yeah.

01:04:40.630 --> 01:04:48.280
So guess this brings us to the end, and I think in summation, stay the course people, you know, work on your strategy.

01:04:49.090 --> 01:04:50.320
That's the best way to do it.

01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:55.630
Early in the season, if you're just coming outta the winter, I would say work on rhythm a lot.

01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:57.309
Work on the fundamental stuff.

01:04:57.309 --> 01:05:04.480
Make sure you feel like you're getting your general stance, your posture right, you're finding some rhythm, you're managing your attention.

01:05:05.349 --> 01:05:07.030
what you're gonna pay attention to in your swing.

01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:09.690
But on your skills, you know, do a little skill training.

01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:11.130
Short game, full swing.

01:05:11.894 --> 01:05:13.275
Strategies, the big deal.

01:05:13.275 --> 01:05:16.724
It helps us all be patient.

01:05:16.724 --> 01:05:21.914
If you're in a place that has dormant Bermuda grass as your short game,'cause it, I promise it'll

01:05:21.965 --> 01:05:22.255
Yeah.

01:05:22.335 --> 01:05:25.605
in a couple weeks and you'll be, game will get a lot easier.

01:05:26.295 --> 01:05:29.864
that's all I have for this evening and I thank you listener for tuning in.

01:05:30.135 --> 01:05:31.454
This has been a fun series for

01:05:31.625 --> 01:05:31.844
Yes.

01:05:32.175 --> 01:05:37.835
I like our new format and yeah, things are chugging along, so I just wanna say thanks.

01:05:38.099 --> 01:05:38.550
Thank you.

01:05:38.735 --> 01:05:38.885
in.

01:05:38.945 --> 01:05:41.434
That's it, Thanks for being on the

01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:42.239
Yes, sir.

01:05:42.425 --> 01:05:43.054
appreciate it.

01:05:43.864 --> 01:05:45.184
I hope you, sir, have a

01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:45.900
Yep, you too.

01:05:46.409 --> 01:05:46.920
Have a good night.

01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:47.219
Yep.